Screen without borders?

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by Spacesim, Mar 12, 2014.

  1. Spacesim macrumors newbie

    Aug 5, 2011
    I've already decided, i'm not bying a new mbp or smartphone until the black border around the display is taken out completely and the space is used as screen instead.

    So, i wanted to ask you people, is that even possible? And is it likely to happen?
    If you look at your mbp...take a step back and look at looks kind of stupid that there is so much space that could be used as real estate on the screen, that is just a big fat black(or white) border that is used for NOTHING.

    So...when will it happen?

    I remember i saw some futuristic idea about how iphone 6 will look like, and the border around the screen wasn't there. Beautiful!

  2. Ann P, Mar 12, 2014
    Last edited: Mar 12, 2014

    Ann P macrumors 68020

    Jun 29, 2009
    Black bezel makes the screen pop. Has to be a reason why most tv's borders are black.

    I think the silver ones looks more aesthetically pleasing.
  3. maflynn Moderator


    Staff Member

    May 3, 2009
    I myself prefer the black bezel and hope its doesn't go :)
  4. Spacesim, Mar 12, 2014
    Last edited: Mar 12, 2014

    Spacesim thread starter macrumors newbie

    Aug 5, 2011
    This is what i mean. Larger screen but not necessarily making the laptop larger...

    edit: sorry for a really really bad mockup. But you get my point...kindof ;)

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  5. FuNGi macrumors 65816


    Feb 26, 2010
    The bezel is there for structural support. The space occupied by the bezel (and not the lcd) is backed by added aluminum and is purposefully there to provide rigidity. You don't want to be twisting an lcd. The original pro had added layer of glass, the air has an added aluminum bezel as there is no glass (itself adding torsional resistance), and the retina has done away with the extra glass but must retain the bezel for the added aluminum.

    quick example:
  6. abta1 macrumors 6502

    Jul 5, 2010
    Paris, France
    This, and what the OP said about the possible edge to edge screen of a phone, those always have the glass layer on top to provide not only the rigidity and support but also for the touch sensor I believe.
  7. accountforit macrumors 6502a

    Jan 22, 2014
    Have fun with your old tech then. You can't have everything your way, and you are worrying about something that really doesn't matter.

    "I am never buying another pair of pants until they come out with automatic butt freshening odor protection"
  8. Robyr macrumors regular

    Feb 21, 2010
    ITT: Someone who has no idea that bezels on a smartphone/tablet enable you to hold them comfortably.

    With laptops, I agree. No reason the display frame can't be toughened up, Apple seems to try to use tin foil for the display assembly as it is. A full actual frame like what is on the X1 Carbon could accommodate the lack of a bezel.
  9. filmak macrumors 6502a

    Jun 21, 2012
    between earth and heaven
    There will be several problems without the border,
    Where will you have the FaceTime camera and its led?
    When you open / close the screen you will have to push over the pixels with possible damage,
    The screen will be less sturdy-too flexible, etc.

    Maybe thinner border but no at all is a little bit difficult.
  10. TahoeBlue macrumors member

    Apr 4, 2012
    No! The constant thumbprints on the bezel-less screen edges from opening it up would drive me crazy!
  11. Gman021 macrumors regular

    Aug 21, 2012
    Maybe not bezel-less but they could absolutely reduce the size of the current bezel. No question about it
  12. Spacesim thread starter macrumors newbie

    Aug 5, 2011
  13. Robyr macrumors regular

    Feb 21, 2010
    That looks like an ergonomic nightmare, and completely ill-designed.
  14. Barney63 macrumors 6502a


    Jan 9, 2014
    Bolton, UK.
    You're in luck, they already do them lol :D

  15. hallux macrumors 68030


    Apr 25, 2012
    As others said, the bezel is kind of needed. Have you ever taken a laptop screen apart? I have, many of them. The LCD needs to be secured SOMEHOW, and it would look positively tacky to have the screws go through from the back. Also, the wireless antenna are usually in the bezel (usually at the top of the screen), and the wires routed down the sides of the LCD, lose the bezel and you lose those antenna and the routing of the wires. If you try to move that to behind the screen, you run the risk of poor signal reception and you need to make the screen assembly thicker.
  16. Orr macrumors 6502


    Oct 8, 2013
    I'm going to venture a guess that the OP has never taken a symbolic logic course, or anything remotely resembling it before. You first state that you won't do A without B. Then ask if B is possible. Then ask the probability of B occurring. Finally you appear to experience a significant breakthrough and end by demanding a specific time upon which B will actualize.

    All of which pales in comparison to the fact that you decided that a well-known constant (B) should henceforth be known solely as a variable without value.

    On a more serious note, you should take really good care of whatever notebook you are currently using because you won't be getting a new rMBP for a very, very long time. If you actually work in product development, and judging from your iPhone 6 ideas you seem to have put significant thought into the matter, then I'm personally terrified for the future of technological design. :eek:
  17. thundersteele macrumors 68030

    Oct 19, 2011
    This ifixit teardown of the retina display (yes the display!) might help understand why it is not so easy to make the bezel vanish:

    The LCD (+ layers of stuff) has a certain thickness. The bezel is thinner, so it can have more metal to give stability. If you wanted to go without bezel, you might need a thicker (and heavier) display assembly to give it the necessary stability.
    This is also the main difference from a phone: There the display is glued on top of the device, so it gets stability from that. Instead here the display is on its own, so getting it thin and stable/rigid is nontrivial.

    Something else one should not forget: Of the 13'', 15'' and 17'' non-unibody macs, the 17'' was by far the one with the thinnest bezel. This probably means that there are other factors that determine the size of a laptop body, e.g. thermals/cooling and battery size. Also where would you put the camera and microphone?

    Anyways, I would also prefer a thinner bezel, in particular on the smaller machines like the Air where it is huge and ugly. But I don't think that a bezel-free screen is possible on a laptop, at least not with a reasonable design.
  18. drenline macrumors 6502a


    Aug 8, 2010
    the black bezel IS pretty stupid if you really think about it...
  19. fskywalker macrumors 65816


    Nov 6, 2009
    What is more realistic is a smaller bezel, which can lead to a larger screen within the same body sizes of the current 13 and 15 rMBP's.
  20. Commy1 macrumors 6502a


    Feb 25, 2013
    I was in a similar boat, but just looking at those mock ups makes me appreciate the bezel.
    When I ordered my rMBP I noticed that Apple slimmed the bezel all the way around to lessen the foot print of the overall machine. What I appreciated the most was that Apple had the humanity to slim the bezel enough to remove the Macbook Pro, like they weren't so proud of the machine to not label it. I like that.

    As mentioned I think I'd rather have a study, well built device with slim bezels than a flimsy device that would need a case just to help the structure. Any way, I'm sure it'll happen on some level soon enough, maybe not edge to edge but certainly less.
  21. -BigMac- macrumors 65816


    Apr 15, 2011
    Melbourne, Australia
    this can't work.
    at the moment, the screen is a rectangle shape. which it has to stay as.

    The corners of the bezel at the moment are round, which is safer, sturdier and more comfortable to carry etc.

    In order for this bezel free design to be possible, the corners of the computer would have to pin point 90 degrees. Which would make them sharp as hell, and very unsafe.

    A slight drop from any height would make the corner chip, and there goes your bezel free screen. replacement time.
  22. Spacesim thread starter macrumors newbie

    Aug 5, 2011
    Okay thank you guys for informative replies. I'm now aware that it's not likely to happen. I kind of thought that this design "update" was in the pipeline for coming generations of smartphones/laptops. I thought it was a logical next step and i actually thought that the iphone 6 picture i posted was some kind of official demo of apples vision of the iphone 6. :p.

    I still think that the bezel-area is better used as real estate, but my next mbp will most likely come with a big fat bezel around the screen aswell :).
  23. yjchua95 macrumors 604

    Apr 23, 2011
    GVA, KUL, MEL (current), ZQN
    Unless you can break the laws of physics, it'll never happen.
  24. Dovahkiing macrumors regular

    Nov 1, 2013
    Not to nitpick too much, but this isn't a physics problem, it's an engineering one. There's no equation that says you couldn't make a bezel less screen.
  25. yjchua95 macrumors 604

    Apr 23, 2011
    GVA, KUL, MEL (current), ZQN
    Young's modulus applies. You can make a bezel-less screen, at the expense of having it break easily.

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