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Scrolling Changes Coming to Mobile Safari in Future Update
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I'd prefer a "Disable AMP" in the Safari app Settings to go along with a definable scroll behavior.
It would help if developers, or the tools they're using, could put in the dimensions of the images properly. Jumping happens because there is no way to predict the sizing (if it's not been supplied) until it's downloaded. It's not a Safari issue and has always been the case.
I think what they mean is that elements with -webkit-overflow-scrolling: touch; have the same scrollspeed as the rest of the OS the the main page scroll is slower and different from all other scrolling in the OS. AMP-pages is using -webkit-overflow-scrolling: touch; so that's why saying scroll will become like AMP-pages.
I just want "Request Desktop Mode" to be a permanent option that sticks for my iPad Pro 12.9.
1) Its not only images that cause the jump, alot of content nowadays are loaded asynchronous, especially ads loaded from 3rd party that the main site cant determine what the ad container size will end up being.
2) Apple could fix the issue anyway, Chrome have implemented "scroll anchoring", Apple could do the same in Safari, thats a way better and easier solution than to expect all the worlds laziest webdevelopers to fix their ****
this X100. It's ludicrous how much time this takes. There should be an option not to refresh if you don't want to.
This. Can't count the number of times I accidentally get sent off to some link that moved under my finger later on.
While they're at, how about once and for all fixing the horrible "this page encountered a problem so it was reloaded" nightmare that makes my older iPad minis nearly unusable at times.
They did the exact opposite of what I want them to do. AMP scrolling inertia sucks. It's too easy to scroll too far, too fast. It feels like it has no weight to it at all.
Apple just keeps pushing me further away. Apple of mid-2013 really jumped the shark and nothing has gone back to quality since before then.
Also: AMP sucks. I avoid it like the plague. It, and lousy Google presumptions on searching parameters, has pushed me away from using Google for anything but image search. I use DuckDuckGo now (who's image search is still inferior to Google's).
Apple just keeps pushing me further away. Apple of mid-2013 really jumped the shark and nothing has gone back to quality since before then.
Also: AMP sucks. I avoid it like the plague. It, and lousy Google presumptions on searching parameters, has pushed me away from using Google for anything but image search. I use DuckDuckGo now (who's image search is still inferior to Google's).
I'd like to see Apple allow the iPhone to be completely drive by a stylus. One innovative thing they could do with that is introduce scroll up and down arrows to allow you to move up and down the page. Scrolling using a finger seems old school to me.
Well there's a surprise, and well past time. Apples sticky scrolling on Safari may have made sense in the single core iDevice days, but they're by far powerful enough to be more free scrolling now. I always noticed the discrepancy with some pages too, didn't know it was about AMP.
AMP pages were a bit too slippery though, so I hope it's a happy medium.
AMP pages were a bit too slippery though, so I hope it's a happy medium.
All iPads should have desktop browser ID's. What the heck is the point of displaying the mobile or "responsive tablet" site on a 1024x768 HiDPI or larger screen? Especially on the 1366x1024 HiDPI screen of the 12.9" - it was a major factor in me going back to my iPad mini. If I'm going to lug around the 12.9" iPad Pro, it should at least offer the same web experience as my 12" rMB, which has a lower default HiDPI resolution of 1280x800, but fits more on the screen and gets a proper desktop layout?!? What's the point of 12.9" of screen then???
Thank you. This shows the clear difference. The problem I found is that the link on the main article to the AMP page isn't actually AMP scrolling. So I thought it wasn't any difference.
But your two links work correctly and show a huge difference.
It doesn’t get more obvious than the two links posted above by JesperA. Safari has a much higher deceleration factor, causing the kinetic scrolling to slow down and stop sooner.
Nice thing about current iOS safari scrolling is that one quick flick gives you a page up/down and then stops. This is nice when you read stuff and not just trying to get to the end of the page. I understand why on iOS lists scroll quicker. It's because you don't need to read every item on the list, but just reach certain position in the list. I think I like it this way - two scroll acceleration curves for two different purposes. Main problem on iOS is reaching the bottom of the page, for which I wish there was some shortcut.
On android and on iOS overflow divs, that AMP uses, a single flick keeps scrolling for so long that is most cases you need a tap to stop it. This honestly feels unnecessary when scrolling most web content, and I bet on iOS this was done in divs only because overflow divs are mostly used to scroll itemized lists on websites. Again I really wish they keep the old scroll speed, but add a shortcut to reach the page end. But again I'm sure different scrolling is nothing we can't quickly get used to.
On android and on iOS overflow divs, that AMP uses, a single flick keeps scrolling for so long that is most cases you need a tap to stop it. This honestly feels unnecessary when scrolling most web content, and I bet on iOS this was done in divs only because overflow divs are mostly used to scroll itemized lists on websites. Again I really wish they keep the old scroll speed, but add a shortcut to reach the page end. But again I'm sure different scrolling is nothing we can't quickly get used to.
Does anybody remember Safari scrolling prior to iOS 7?
I had an iPhone with iOS 4 on it and in Safari it scrolled quickly and smoothly using intertia type scrolling.
It would respond to how quickly you swiped the screen or how long of a swipe you made.
It was fantastic!
Then I upgraded to the 5s with iOS 7 and they had "upgraded" it to the sluggish, choppy, chunky style scrolling we see today and it was horrible!
It sounds like they're finally going back to the pre-iOS 7 style Safari scrolling and that's great news!
I had an iPhone with iOS 4 on it and in Safari it scrolled quickly and smoothly using intertia type scrolling.
It would respond to how quickly you swiped the screen or how long of a swipe you made.
It was fantastic!
Then I upgraded to the 5s with iOS 7 and they had "upgraded" it to the sluggish, choppy, chunky style scrolling we see today and it was horrible!
It sounds like they're finally going back to the pre-iOS 7 style Safari scrolling and that's great news!