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Safari on iPhone doesn't have the smooth inertial scrolling like on iPad or even their own other apps. It's more like sandpaper on iPhone. It's baffling the inconsistency.
 
HarryT said:
I must be blind. What's the difference in scrolling? Tried both the AMP page and macrumors.com and thought scrolling was the same on both (iPhone 7 Plus latest iOS).
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AMP pages have twice as much inertial scrolling. Flick the page and it scrolls for 3.5 sec. Do the same on a non-AMP page and it scrolls for 1 sec.
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slimothy said:
How about it scrolls faster than normal iOS Safari, but slower than AMP. AMP just feels sloppy and unpolished IMO.
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In between would really be the sweet spot, I agree.
 
Please tell me this ain't true. I dislike Android-like scrolling where a flick can take you all the way to the bottom of a page. I actually like to read the articles, not scroll past them.
 
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Marconelly said:
Nice thing about current iOS safari scrolling is that one quick flick gives you a page up/down and then stops. This is nice when you read stuff and not just trying to get to the end of the page. I understand why on iOS lists scroll quicker. It's because you don't need to read every item on the list, but just reach certain position in the list. I think I like it this way - two scroll acceleration curves for two different purposes. Main problem on iOS is reaching the bottom of the page, for which I wish there was some shortcut.

On android and on iOS overflow divs, that AMP uses, a single flick keeps scrolling for so long that is most cases you need a tap to stop it. This honestly feels unnecessary when scrolling most web content, and I bet on iOS this was done in divs only because overflow divs are mostly used to scroll itemized lists on websites. Again I really wish they keep the old scroll speed, but add a shortcut to reach the page end. But again I'm sure different scrolling is nothing we can't quickly get used to.
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Astute observation.

I don't understand why we need to be the ones who change. The AMP / Web / Android scroll curves suck for reading. I'd fight this.
 
I don't really understand what this article is about but god Google AMP is f ing awful. Genuinely the worst. It's just so bad ruins everything.

I've hated it since it came out but thought I might adjust by now, nope.. All as I want is an option to disable it.

Our phones are powerful and pretty much every website is already mobile optimised. There is no need. Maybe on some low powered budget phones fine but please just get to f Google.

Sorry Google AMP just sucks so bad and I miss the old Google News. ugh
 
I'm looking forward to this if this does come to be. I was using Chrome for a bit on my iPhone just for the scrolling, but it just didn't seem to load a few things the same as Safari. Now the option of having 2 types of scrolling would probably be preferred to just having 1
 
Marconelly said:
Nice thing about current iOS safari scrolling is that one quick flick gives you a page up/down and then stops. This is nice when you read stuff and not just trying to get to the end of the page. I understand why on iOS lists scroll quicker. It's because you don't need to read every item on the list, but just reach certain position in the list. I think I like it this way - two scroll acceleration curves for two different purposes. Main problem on iOS is reaching the bottom of the page, for which I wish there was some shortcut.
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I’d say you are just used to it. This is how Safari has always been and you have probably conditioned yourself to use just the right amount of force. Remember, only Safari does this and it is a bit arbitrary. Mail, iBooks, Quick Look and others do not have this and your concerns apply there too. I think consistency is a much better approach. As an added benefit, you will be able to scroll much faster.

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I don't understand why we need to be the ones who change. The AMP / Web / Android scroll curves suck for reading. I'd fight this.
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From what I understand, it has nothing to do with AMP, that is just a coincidence. AMP exposed the inconsistent behaviour in Safari and the Safari developers decided, after revisiting the reason for the different scrolling behaviour, that there was no reason to keep it. Safari just loses its peculiar behaviour in favour of what every other app already does.
 
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I don't really understand what this article is about but god Google AMP is f ing awful. Genuinely the worst. It's just so bad ruins everything.

I've hated it since it came out but thought I might adjust by now, nope.. All as I want is an option to disable it.

Our phones are powerful and pretty much every website is already mobile optimised. There is no need. Maybe on some low powered budget phones fine but please just get to f Google.

Sorry Google AMP just sucks so bad and I miss the old Google News. ugh
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This article is basically saying that instead of making AMP pages scroll like normal Safari pages, Apple have decided to make all Safari pages scroll like AMP pages.

Must be good, whatever they're smoking over there.
 
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ILikeAllOS said:
Does anybody remember Safari scrolling prior to iOS 7?

I had an iPhone with iOS 4 on it and in Safari it scrolled quickly and smoothly using intertia type scrolling.
It would respond to how quickly you swiped the screen or how long of a swipe you made.
It was fantastic!

Then I upgraded to the 5s with iOS 7 and they had "upgraded" it to the sluggish, choppy, chunky style scrolling we see today and it was horrible!
It sounds like they're finally going back to the pre-iOS 7 style Safari scrolling and that's great news!
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Agreed with you on the iOS 4 era scrolling and inertia feel.

The whole OS was bouncier. Even the home screen.
 
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AMP scrolling is pure **** my god why please no! Who wants the page to scroll down at hyper speed?!
 
HarryT said:
I must be blind. What's the difference in scrolling? Tried both the AMP page and macrumors.com and thought scrolling was the same on both (iPhone 7 Plus latest iOS).
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Yes, I don't notice the difference either, but I also feel that the scrolling in Safari is currently too slow, so any improvements in this area is welcomed by me.
[doublepost=1495508498][/doublepost]Found a page that demonstrates the AMP scrolling, and the behaviour is noticeable.

Try here:
https://ampbyexample.com/components/amp-iframe/

(strangely, when I accessed this Google search result on iPhone, it loaded the page via google.ca, but it's the same page. Not sure what's going on there)
 
I'll be honest I never noticed that scrolling on safari is different than on native iOS apps, and now that I have noticed it I can't stop noticing it and I'm starting to go crazy. Speed up safari scrolling damnit!!
 
d5aqoëp said:
AMP should be destroyed. I think Google has done it intentionally to cripple the browsing experience on iOS phones. Now Google is pointing fingers at Apple for AMP being buggy!

Well Google, stop shoving your crap down our throats.

I have actually stopped browsing on macrumours from my iPhone. The comments were not loading on articles.
AMP scrolling reminds me of the terrible Android scrolling experience. You are either at the top or bottom of the page. No in-between.
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I actually switched search engines (away from Google) due to AMP.
 
JesperA said:
Normal:
https://9to5mac.com/2017/01/10/review-aqua-portable-headphone-amp-iphone-7-7-plus-lightning/

AMP:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/9to5ma...-headphone-amp-iphone-7-7-plus-lightning/amp/

Should work
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JesperA said:
Normal:
https://9to5mac.com/2017/01/10/review-aqua-portable-headphone-amp-iphone-7-7-plus-lightning/

AMP:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/9to5ma...-headphone-amp-iphone-7-7-plus-lightning/amp/

Should work
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Many thanks. They work the same on iOS chrome, but the scrolling difference is indeed very different in iOS Safari.

Add me to the list of people who prefer the way Chrome does it. If your complaint is AMP / Chrome scrolls too fast, just flick it more lightly/ more slowly and it will scroll a shorter distance.

I haven't used Safari in a long time, I'd forgotten how slow it is to change tabs. Baffles me that there's no single gesture to change to the next tabs, which is pretty much the most common thing I do in a browser.
 
It's good to know that Apple do listen and that they're finally fixing the slow as molasses Safari inertial scrolling I've been voicing about for years.
 
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mi7chy said:
It's good to know that Apple do listen and that they're finally fixing the slow as molasses Safari inertial scrolling I've been voicing about for years.
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I agree, I hate molasses, we want it to scroll like BUTTER!
 
dontwalkhand said:
How about Google AMP just go away? Links never work and I always accidentally scroll sideways and get a totally different page. Stop Google from trying to make itself the internet.
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One MILLION times: YES. I detest AMP and the stinging point that there doesn't seem to be a way to disable it. Why does Apple allow Google to dictate how we see the internet on Apple's own browser?! Either make your own search engine, Apple, or stop the Google-ization of our iPhones.
 
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I'm all for faster scrolling but I notice micro stutters with AMP on my devices. On the whole IOS has become more sluggish and in the latest version it has trouble maintaining 60fps in a lot of areas. I hope AMP doesn't make that worse.
 
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