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Here's a secret: When you are shown security questions, you don't actually have to type in the true answer. When they ask for your mothers maiden name, it's perfectly fine to type in "Napoleon Bonaparte" or "dk032nasfdoj239".
This is how I choose ALL my security question answer. Even I cannot remember the answer of those questions, without taking notes.
 
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wow 5 years in prison for this?
This country loves to throw people in prison!
Lots of money in the prison system, too much tax money being spent!

We are prison crazy and it is something that needs to stop. We need to be reasonable on crime, not hard on crime. Accounts were phished and pictures taken. They can claim all day that their image as a celeb was ruined and that's BS. They got their victim badge and will probably benefit from the coverage. 5 years is a long time, too long for stealing pictures and breaking into someones iCould account. Your well being or ability to make money, provide, etc is not harmed because someone now knows you have a Milli Vanilli playlist and you like to take naked pictures of yourself.
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How is this political topic?

Social issue is one of categories listed.

Also, Hollywood is an arm of the democrat party.
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5 years is the recommended sentence, and the article says the plea agreement recommends 18 months.

What do you think would be an appropriate sentence?

Less than one year and a monetary fine. There is no need to make them felons and have them lose their right to vote, own guns and have a lifetime difficulty of getting a job over stealing iphone pictures.
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Part of the problem is us. We throw out Freedom of Speech as if it's a catch all to say anything. It ain't. More importantly, this: Freedom of Speech, is not the same as this: freedom of speech and they shouldn't be used interchangeably. Unfortunately, that's what we do all the time. FoS is a constitutional right of expression without government restriction.
MR decisions don't fall under gov't purview. In fact, there is no presumption of freedom of speech in any private forum. We're all bound by MR's rules and regs. To assume we have freedom to speak as we please is in this forum is incorrect and entirely our fault for making that assumption. That not only applies to MR, but any forum.

I can't pop in a thread and start dropping f bombs all over the place or disparage someone's mothers all in the name of freedom of speech. Well, I can at Deadspin, but not here.:D

To answer your question about censoring social issues. I don't think they need to be censored. I don't think we even need a PRSI. Completely irrelevant though. It's not my site. I do understand why it exists. Everyone isn't reasonable.

Actually you can do all of that here, your freedom of speech does protect that here on these forums. The thing is, this is their place so they can delete everything you posted and even delete your account but, they cannot call the police to give you a ticket, you cant be fined for what you post and their is no law saying you cant say what you want. So you're freedom of speech is preserved here and MR's private ownership rights of the site are also preserved.

I can pick a post on the front page and launch into a swear filled speech. I can click post and there it is. Freedom of speech for all to see. Done and exercised. 10 minutes later a mod can delete or edit my post. Freedom of private property for everyone to see. I cant sue them for deleting my post, they cant sue me for my foul mouth or exercising my freedom of speech. Unless they can prove that my speech is somehow attacking their ability to do business which is almost certainly going to get nowhere.
 
Part of the problem is us. We throw out Freedom of Speech as if it's a catch all to say anything. It ain't. More importantly, this: Freedom of Speech, is not the same as this: freedom of speech and they shouldn't be used interchangeably. Unfortunately, that's what we do all the time. FoS is a constitutional right of expression without government restriction.
MR decisions don't fall under gov't purview. In fact, there is no presumption of freedom of speech in any private forum. We're all bound by MR's rules and regs. To assume we have freedom to speak as we please is in this forum is incorrect and entirely our fault for making that assumption. That not only applies to MR, but any forum.

I can't pop in a thread and start dropping f bombs all over the place or disparage someone's mothers all in the name of freedom of speech. Well, I can at Deadspin, but not here.:D

To answer your question about censoring social issues. I don't think they need to be censored. I don't think we even need a PRSI. Completely irrelevant though. It's not my site. I do understand why it exists. Everyone isn't reasonable.
All fair points. But here is a question -- why don't they publish the criterias the use to tag an article under PRSI? Maybe me, but it seems arbitrary as in I cannot see the pattern. For example, I made a comment in a thread that was not PRSI that I thought the government could pass a law or regulation regarding the topic. It was removed and told that it was inappropriate. Was never told why. Arbitrary!!! You are right in saying this is a private forum and therefore they can make whatever rules they want. I just wish they actually made consistent rules and published them so that everyone could understand them and play by the rules. As it is, every post - this one included - will remain only because some unknown moderator either fails to note my comment or because it doesn't offend him. In other words, without the rules it is all subjective crap.

If you think I am being harsh, just read the MR rules for PRSI here. Notice that they do not at any point identify what qualifies for PRSI. They have lots of rule about the posters behavior (most which are reasonable), they say they will stay out as a moderator (which is not true since I have been censored without breaking any of the stated rules), but they do not state how the make their determinations. To me this can be interpreted as they have no rules. They just make it up.

Oops, okay, rant over. thank you allowing me to vent.
 
Definitely check URLs before you click any email link, especially related to passwords. Some services do use email to reset passwords, but it's not too hard to verify the legitimacy of such emails — check the URL, check the sender's email address, etc.
Yeah, but the thing is, some people don't know that. The fact that people leak passwords was known well before Apple created iCloud. Apple should've been pushing two-factor authentication (preferably with a password-only option that's not default). It's a failure in their security that they allowed so many people to sign up with just a password.

By the way, scam emails aren't the only way to leak a password. There are keylogging viruses and MitM attacks, which might hardly be the user's fault.
 
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All fair points. But here is a question -- why don't they publish the criterias the use to tag an article under PRSI? Maybe me, but it seems arbitrary as in I cannot see the pattern. For example, I made a comment in a thread that was not PRSI that I thought the government could pass a law or regulation regarding the topic. It was removed and told that it was inappropriate. Was never told why. Arbitrary!!! You are right in saying this is a private forum and therefore they can make whatever rules they want. I just wish they actually made consistent rules and published them so that everyone could understand them and play by the rules. As it is, every post - this one included - will remain only because some unknown moderator either fails to note my comment or because it doesn't offend him. In other words, without the rules it is all subjective crap.

If you think I am being harsh, just read the MR rules for PRSI here. Notice that they do not at any point identify what qualifies for PRSI. They have lots of rule about the posters behavior (most which are reasonable), they say they will stay out as a moderator (which is not true since I have been censored without breaking any of the stated rules), but they do not state how the make their determinations. To me this can be interpreted as they have no rules. They just make it up.

Oops, okay, rant over. thank you allowing me to vent.
You are preaching to the choir brother. I agree on all points. I too have had posts deleted with no explanation. I also would like clearly delineated rules. As, I said earlier, I don't see the need for PRSI at all.
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Actually you can do all of that here, your freedom of speech does protect that here on these forums. The thing is, this is their place so they can delete everything you posted and even delete your account but, they cannot call the police to give you a ticket, you cant be fined for what you post and their is no law saying you cant say what you want. So you're freedom of speech is preserved here and MR's private ownership rights of the site are also preserved.

I can pick a post on the front page and launch into a swear filled speech. I can click post and there it is. Freedom of speech for all to see. Done and exercised. 10 minutes later a mod can delete or edit my post. Freedom of private property for everyone to see. I cant sue them for deleting my post, they cant sue me for my foul mouth or exercising my freedom of speech. Unless they can prove that my speech is somehow attacking their ability to do business which is almost certainly going to get nowhere.
My quote was more about people not confusing constitutional freedoms with the right to say what whatever whenever wherever. The constitutional right that people typically love to quote isn't that.
MR can't do the ticketing or fining because they aren't the government, but discussing that takes me in a direction I had no intention of going.

You are right in your assessment though.
 
It does technically fit the definition of hacking though.


It's just not Apple's fault.
I consider it Apple's fault. They design their security in a way that's not user-friendly. I've described the problem with not having two-factor auth by default, and someone else mentioned that password reset is possibly a weak link.
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Here's a secret: When you are shown security questions, you don't actually have to type in the true answer. When they ask for your mothers maiden name, it's perfectly fine to type in "Napoleon Bonaparte" or "dk032nasfdoj239".
That's what I do now, but most people will probably put what the question is asking since that's what Apple tells you to do. It's stupid that Apple (and others) have allowed passwords to be reset just by answering security questions. Remember when Sarah Palin's Yahoo! account was compromised using information that can be found on Wikipedia?
 
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I think "debatable" is overstating it. One should never answer security questions with legitimate answers. Mine are all plucked out of thin air - my mothers maiden name might be Rumplestiltskin one time, and Boneparte the next time - many others use randomly generated gibberish just like for passwords). And these are recorded in 1Password along with my long, random passwords. Answering any security question (yours or theirs) with a real answer is weakening security. Security is an evolving thing, and Apple has been taking continual steps to improve.
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If your response to this article is to turn off iCloud, you're not reading very carefully - iCloud wasn't hacked, this was a phishing attack - in essence, the bad guys asked the victims for their passwords, and the victims cheerfully handed their passwords over, because the email said Apple or Google (both were used) needed the information. The response isn't to turn off iCloud (or Google), rather, just don't hand out your password merely because someone says they need it. Even if they say they're Apple or Google or Santa Claus.

Not in regards to this issue. Someone had told me the using iCloud may be causing my wi-fi to try and turn itself on even though I have it disabled and told me that it also uses more HD resources.
So, I decided to turn it off but now I can't.
 
The Orwell quote is a nice touch, but we aren't exactly talking here about using euphemisms to mask government misconduct or coverups or corporate sanctioned murder or any such, so I think the quote is a bit misplaced. I'm more familiar with the name you mention, but have heard both. I think it comes down to, which name would you rather try to explain to a six year old who overhears adults talking about it.

I actually thought the quote fit well with the political nature of this post.

As far as explaining it to a six year old, I'm not sure how to respond to that. I mean, why does it matter what it's called? If a kid of any age asks what you are talking about you should explain it to them. This is regardless of topic. Why? Because kids who are asked to think about the lack of moral behavior of others are more likely to make kind choices in the future.
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I've described the problem with not having two-factor auth by default, and someone else mentioned that password reset is possibly a weak link.

The problem with two-factor authentication is in the number. I hate Steam because their security is so annoying every time it asks for a password I lose intrest in video games. It's so maddening I avoid any tech with it. I only take pictures with snapchat. Why? I already know I'm going to get locked out of my iCloud, so why worry about trying to keep it.

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The problem with two-factor authentication is in the number. I hate Steam because their security is so annoying every time it asks for a password I lose intrest in video games. It's so maddening I avoid any tech with it. I only take pictures with snapchat. Why? I already know I'm going to get locked out of my iCloud, so why worry about trying to keep it.

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How often are you setting up Steam on a new computer? It takes like 30 seconds to check your email for the code then enter it, and it's always worked right for me.

Well, I hate Steam too, but that's for other reasons unrelated to the auth.
 
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How often are you setting up Steam on a new computer? It takes like 30 seconds to check your email for the code then enter it, and it's always worked right for me.

Well, I hate Steam too, but that's for other reasons unrelated to the auth.
Steam does not require it just for new setups. It also requires it for new browser log in, mobile access, and whenever it feels like making you jump through hoops.
 
Steam does not require it just for new setups. It also requires it for new browser log in, mobile access, and whenever it feels like making you jump through hoops.
I'm wondering why you'd ever open Steam if not to play your games, but... Browser login, on a desktop or mobile, are both new setups if you don't have the cookie. There's no other way it can tell that it's you. That will only happen on a new device or after a long expiration time. It's not nearly as frequent as you make it out to be.

They also could've been smart and only required the email verification for certain actions, leaving plain password login in a low-privilege mode where nobody can mess with your credit card or, if you have them, $1000 of stupid in-game purchases.
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When I try to turn off iCloud I get a warning that information on my hard drive will be erased. Why should that be the case? Why wasn't i warned that if I use iCloud I can't change my mind?
Not happy about this
This is the reason it's even a question: Since you're putting all your information on iCloud, what information belongs to your device? If you turn it off, should it download everything from iCloud to your offline copy, leaving you with something close to the iCloud data but actually out of sync? What about data you created on your device but edited on a different device while iCloud was set up?

I'd prefer it to work like git, where if you don't sync with the cloud, nothing is deleted, and you're left with a snapshot of whatever you could see when you turned it off. I think it does that for contacts, not sure about other stuff.
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wow 5 years in prison for this?
This country loves to throw people in prison!
Lots of money in the prison system, too much tax money being spent!
Should just be banishment from the Internet for life. Nobody needs these people online.
 
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The Fappening was a wonderful day...So much great material.!!!!
 
I'm wondering why you'd ever open Steam if not to play your games, but... Browser login, on a desktop or mobile, are both new setups if you don't have the cookie. There's no other way it can tell that it's you. That will only happen on a new device or after a long expiration time. It's not nearly as frequent as you make it out to be.

They also could've been smart and only required the email verification for certain actions, leaving plain password login in a low-privilege mode where nobody can mess with your credit card or, if you have them, $1000 of stupid in-game purchases.
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This is the reason it's even a question: Since you're putting all your information on iCloud, what information belongs to your device? If you turn it off, should it download everything from iCloud to your offline copy, leaving you with something close to the iCloud data but actually out of sync? What about data you created on your device but edited on a different device while iCloud was set up?

I'd prefer it to work like git, where if you don't sync with the cloud, nothing is deleted, and you're left with a snapshot of whatever you could see when you turned it off. I think it does that for contacts, not sure about other stuff.
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Should just be banishment from the Internet for life. Nobody needs these people online.

Well, I thought it would just delete whatever I had on iCloud. Why should it affect what I have on my hard drive at all? That's what I don't get
 
Well, I thought it would just delete whatever I had on iCloud. Why should it affect what I have on my hard drive at all? That's what I don't get
I agree. It might be that it only deletes what was downloaded from iCloud from other devices. Not sure, may depend on what you're disabling.
 
I'm wondering why you'd ever open Steam if not to play your games, but... Browser login, on a desktop or mobile, are both new setups if you don't have the cookie. There's no other way it can tell that it's you. That will only happen on a new device or after a long expiration time. It's not nearly as frequent as you make it out to be.

They also could've been smart and only required the email verification for certain actions, leaving plain password login in a low-privilege mode where nobody can mess with your credit card or, if you have them, $1000 of stupid in-game purchases.
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This is the reason it's even a question: Since you're putting all your information on iCloud, what information belongs to your device? If you turn it off, should it download everything from iCloud to your offline copy, leaving you with something close to the iCloud data but actually out of sync? What about data you created on your device but edited on a different device while iCloud was set up?

I'd prefer it to work like git, where if you don't sync with the cloud, nothing is deleted, and you're left with a snapshot of whatever you could see when you turned it off. I think it does that for contacts, not sure about other stuff.
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Should just be banishment from the Internet for life. Nobody needs these people online.

I know, but still not as infrequent as you make it. Maybe it has to do with centurylink, but I had to go through their security no less than six times during he steam summer sale this year.
 
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I agree. It might be that it only deletes what was downloaded from iCloud from other devices. Not sure, may depend on what you're disabling.

The way it was worded made it seem like it would delete everything I moved to icloud, which would include my passwords. I regret turning iCloud on at all
 
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