Second Source Claims Apple Will Launch 10.5-inch iPad in 2017

[GizmoDVD]

EXCELLENT. We just don't have enough iPads available already. Well worth sidelining the Mac Pro and other desktop Macs for this. Good work, Apple.

That's sarcasm by the way.

Yes, they should keep innovating products which sell and make money and ignore the ones that sell 6 a week like the Mac Pro.

No sarcasm needed for facts.
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L
I can buy a Smart TV with a 32" screen from Best Buy for $190, but this 10.5" iPad will probably cost $700.

How are those comparable AT ALL?

How much is a 4.7" iPhone compared to a 55 4K TV?

 

[satchmo]

Hopefully this means the 9.7 iPad Pro will drop further in price.

 

[v0lume4]

Five years from now, I think we're gonna have an iPad sized for every tenth of an inch.

"Welcome to the Apple Store today, sir. Is there anything I can help you with?"

"Well I'm thinking about an iPad."

"Okay, great. Which size are you looking for? We have the 9.7" model, 9.8 inch, 9.9 inch, 10 inch, 10.1 inch--"

"Uhh, you know what. I think I'll go with a MacBook."

"Oh why didn't you say so! We have the MacBook, MacBook Air, MacBook Pro with no Touch Bar, MacBook Pro WITH Touch Bar--"

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

 

[ValO]

The form factor would never handle the graphics performance of a Mac Pro. There's a reason they use mobile GPUs in those things.

You couldn't put Xeons and FirePro in that casing. You wouldn't be able to cool it efficeiently.

OK, your opinion. Perhaps an external gpu through thunderbolt as I stated earlier.
When you can create an iPhone that is more advanced and faster than a 5 to 6 year old macbook, you would certainly be able to release an iMac that equals a 4 year old macPro next year.

Face it, macpro wil probably be discontinued.

 

[LordVic]

Five years from now, I think we're gonna have an iPad sized for every tenth of an inch.

"Welcome to the Apple Store today, sir. Is there anything I can help you with?"

"Well I'm thinking about an iPad."

"Okay, great. Which size are you looking for? We have the 9.7" model, 9.8 inch, 9.9 inch, 10 inch, 10.1 inch--"

"Uhh, you know what. I think I'll go with a MacBook."

"Oh why didn't you say so! We have the MacBook, MacBook Air, MacBook Pro with no Touch Bar, MacBook Pro WITH Touch Bar--"

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

When did scully take back over Apple

 

[GoodWheaties]

I think since we got a powerful hardware since last year A9x apple needs to offer a more focus with ios11 with easy acces files, multieple users accounts( like the feature from new macbook pro with touchid)

I agree with multiple user accounts. I wonder if they are waiting till APFS is here though. That could potentially allow multiple accounts to not take up much more storage than a single account.

 

[Rob_2811]

Apple used to own the tablet market, now they are an ordinary player, with perhaps 15-20% market share instead of 70-90%. Sure their margins are better, but if they would have four times the volume they would make as much, or even more.

Other tablets cost around $100-300. It is obvious to me the company is out of touch when they price their tablets at $600-800 for entry models.

Completely agree with you.The truth is very few people get $600-800 worth of value from a tablet.

Trying to make up for the tanking sales by putting the prices up and trying squeeze out higher margins is just pure short termism to please Wall Street.

The prices on those Pro models can't afford to be put up any further or they will be firmly in Mac territory but with nowhere near the functionality of the Mac which is just going to put off potential buyers even further.

 

[Sedulous]

OK, your opinion. Perhaps an external gpu through thunderbolt as I stated earlier.
When you can create an iPhone that is more advanced and faster than a 5 to 6 year old macbook, you would certainly be able to release an iMac that equals a 4 year old macPro next year.

Face it, macpro wil probably be discontinued.

Probably, but not because of the reasoning you've used. Like it or not, portables will always have compromises in performance relative to even 3 year old workstations. Apple seems intent on killing off their true Pro equipment and focusing instead on overpriced consumer trinkets.

 

[0lf]

I'm not sure what a 10.5" based tablet solves. I'm not against it. I'm just wondering if the difference between the 10.5 is not so minor when you have a 9.7 and a 12.5 already. is 1" in the middle of those really different?

and don't get rid of the mini. The linup of 7", 10.5" and 12.9" is a good lineup to have. Just fix the pricing and naming scheme to reduce some of the confusion

7.8" iPad Mini
9.7" iPad
12.9 ipad Plus

this would also bring it in line with their iPhone linup

4" iPhone Mini (SE)
4.8" iPhone
5.5" iPhone Pllus

I think iPad is closer to mac :
macbook (12"), macbook pro (13" and 15")
-->
iPad (9,7"), iPad pro (10,5" and 12,9")

 

[Chicane-UK]

Yes, they should keep innovating products which sell and make money and ignore the ones that sell 6 a week like the Mac Pro.

No sarcasm needed for facts.

If they actually bothered to refresh their desktop lineup more than once every three (or more!) years, they might sell a few more.

And let's be honest - the iPad, at least in Western markets has probably already reached saturation point. People aren't going to upgrade until their old ones break or are unusably slow.. so I'm willing to bet iPad sales numbers peaked a couple years ago and have settled down to a more regular / flat rate. That's the only reason I can assume why they're developing endless new variants, in an attempt to pick up every last potential customer who doesn't already have one.

 

[Rob_2811]

OK, your opinion. Perhaps an external gpu through thunderbolt as I stated earlier.
When you can create an iPhone that is more advanced and faster than a 5 to 6 year old macbook, you would certainly be able to release an iMac that equals a 4 year old macPro next year.

Face it, macpro wil probably be discontinued.

I'm sorry but this is so misinformed it's unreal.

I use a 5k iMac with a quad core i7 on a daily basis, under any kind of load the fans kick in heavily. That tells you all you need to know about the cooling requirements of those machines.

You can't just shove Xeon processors and potentially dual Fire Pro GPUs into that thin iMac chassis and think it will be able to cool itself effectively.

Honestly comparisons between Arm based iPhone chips and x86 Mac processors are just complete pie in the sky. Faster in geekbench performance which has little relation to real world usage, as for more advanced? Erm no.

The Mac Pro is likely dead, doesn't mean that the iMac is a viable replacement just another example of Apple dumbing down the Mac.

 

[0lf]

Here's what everyone in this thread seems to be missing:

If you take the 9.7" iPad screen, which is currently at 264 PPI, and change the PPI to 326 (iPhone PPI) while keeping the same number of pixels, you get the 7.9" screen used in the iPad mini.

If you take the 264 PPI screen from the 12.9" iPad pro (2048 x 2732), and shrink it to 326 PPI (with the same number of pixels) what do you get? A 10.5" screen! I doubt this is a coincidence.

I heard a few people on podcasts, blogs and other sites, mentioning that they loved the increased UI screen estate provided by the 12.9", but eventually found it too big and heavy so they went back to the 9.7" when the pro version was released.

A 10.5" iPad at 326 PPI would provide the same exact 2048 x 2732 resolution as the bigger pro, but would be lighter and more portable. And for those who don't need more UI estate and have vision problems, could run in zoomed mode using the 9.7" UI layout.

And developers wouldn't even have to make any change to their apps (given that they already support the 12.9"), they would run natively using the 12.9" UI but on a denser screen, just like what happened with the iPad mini.

I am sold

 

[LJC94512]

I am sold

So does that mean Apple would have 7.9, 10.5 and 12.9 in their lineup? I can't imagine them having a lineup with 4 sizes. Maybe even give the 12.9 an even higher PPI screen to get to 326?
[doublepost=1480026468][/doublepost]I seriously think Apple has been thinking about putting Finder in iOS devices. Maybe they are waiting for Apple File System to mature before doing that, maybe iOS 11 will do that. Mouse support would be very nice too most people just thinks touch is not intuitive enough for long use mostly because of delays in selecting objects or moving typing cursors etc. I think it makes sense for Mac to not have touch screen, but cursor in iPad can be helpful. Apple kinda did that with keyboard already so they need to take it to the next level.

 

[admob71]

"Blatant copying " or "great evolution of classic concepts" as the article says. Which amounts to inspired by.
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Hyperbole much? "Free pass from the fanboys who then slag Samsung off". That's generalizing at its finest.

Give over, have you even read this thread, it's embarrassing!!

 

[I7guy]

Give over, have you even read this thread, it's embarrassing!!

A lot of this is embarrassing; so there, I agree.

 

[kdarling]

Screen size is just a number and isn't something that is 'copied' per se.

That argument is only valid if a company is seen to be naturally progressing to every size.

It does not work, though, if a company first declares that those other screen sizes are useless, and/or claims that their own picked sizes are the only ones that make sense. Yet is later forced to add such sizes to stop losing sales.

• "There are clear limits of how close you can physically place elements on a touch screen before users cannot reliably tap, flick or pinch them. This is one of the key reasons we think the 10-inch screen size is the minimum size required to create great tablet apps."
  - Steve Jobs dissing smaller than 10" tablets, Apple quarterly earnings call, 2010, before iPad mini

• "We've put a lot of thinking into screen size and we think we've picked the right one."
  - Tim Cook on 4" iPhone, dissing larger displays of competitors, Quarterly call, Jan 2013, before iPhone 6

 

[admob71]

A lot of this is embarrassing; so there, I agree.

Well said that man!!

 

[I7guy]

That argument is only valid if a company is seen to be naturally progressing to every size.

It does not work, though, if a company first declares that those other screen sizes are useless, and/or claims that their own picked sizes are the only ones that make sense. Yet is later forced to add such sizes to stop losing sales.

• "There are clear limits of how close you can physically place elements on a touch screen before users cannot reliably tap, flick or pinch them. This is one of the key reasons we think the 10-inch screen size is the minimum size required to create great tablet apps."
  - Steve Jobs dissing smaller than 10" tablets, Apple quarterly earnings call, 2010, before iPad mini

• "We've put a lot of thinking into screen size and we think we've picked the right one."
  - Tim Cook on 4" iPhone, dissing larger displays of competitors, Quarterly call, Jan 2013, before iPhone 6

Right and a year later the 6 was released. Obviously a smoke screen, rather than a true statement of fact. Or they were for it before they were against it; not specifically Apple.

 

[oldmacs]

The iPad mini don't sell nothing since the mini 2, and the iPhone plus canibalize in even more, don't have Reason for mini.

Plenty of people love the Mini Size. It just needs to be reasonably priced and people will buy them.

 

[Abazigal]

Here's what everyone in this thread seems to be missing:

If you take the 9.7" iPad screen, which is currently at 264 PPI, and change the PPI to 326 (iPhone PPI) while keeping the same number of pixels, you get the 7.9" screen used in the iPad mini.

If you take the 264 PPI screen from the 12.9" iPad pro (2048 x 2732), and shrink it to 326 PPI (with the same number of pixels) what do you get? A 10.5" screen! I doubt this is a coincidence.

I heard a few people on podcasts, blogs and other sites, mentioning that they loved the increased UI screen estate provided by the 12.9", but eventually found it too big and heavy so they went back to the 9.7" when the pro version was released.

A 10.5" iPad at 326 PPI would provide the same exact 2048 x 2732 resolution as the bigger pro, but would be lighter and more portable. And for those who don't need more UI estate and have vision problems, could run in zoomed mode using the 9.7" UI layout.

And developers wouldn't even have to make any change to their apps (given that they already support the 12.9"), they would run natively using the 12.9" UI but on a denser screen, just like what happened with the iPad mini.

So the 12.9" iPad Pro is a Trojan horse for a 10.5" iPad with 326 PPI?

That's actually genius if you think about it. And so very Apple.

 

[mxims96]

EXCELLENT. We just don't have enough iPads available already. Well worth sidelining the Mac Pro and other desktop Macs for this. Good work, Apple.

That's sarcasm by the way.

What's next, a 10.6 inch iPad?

 

[Freyqq]

Sounds like iPad mini 4 will be the last iPad mini. It'll be 9.7, 10.5, 12.9.

 

[ColdShadow]

if they make a 10.5" iPad the 9.7" becomes irrelevant.
so the possible 10.5" will be replacing 9.7".

 

[0lf]

if they make a 10.5" iPad the 9.7" becomes irrelevant.
so the possible 10.5" will be replacing 9.7".

A 10.5" ipad pro makes a 9.7" ipad pro irrelevant.

 

[AdonisSMU]

EXCELLENT. We just don't have enough iPads available already. Well worth sidelining the Mac Pro and other desktop Macs for this. Good work, Apple.

That's sarcasm by the way.

Apple isn't sidelining anything for the iPads. There are likely two different teams of people working on iPads and Macs.
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This is all well and good but it won't make the iPad an more viable as a productivity device until significant changes are made to iOS to support it.

Marketing the iPad Pro and a laptop replacement then including next to nothing focussed on the iPad in iOS 10 was just bizarre.

Honestly I think the iPad suffers to an extent from the same problem as the phone, the 9.7 could stand to be a bit bigger but the 12.9 is too big and unwieldy. The 4.7 and 5.5 inch phone are the same to me.





Lets not be silly.

I dunno man... I walked into Starbucks last week and every single person there had an 12.9" iPad Pro except for me. I has on my 2016 15" MBP.