Second Source Claims Apple Will Launch 10.5-inch iPad in 2017

[BJMRamage]

In fact you care so little about that iPad that you needed to visit a site focussing on Apple rumours and waited for a rumour article about the iPad just to let everyone know.

I get the sentiment. I have been checking macRumors for years. Lately, Apple's offerings or blended sizes have been dismal. I have an iPad 2 I haven't used in years. I planned on upgrading iPads every so often but didn't see much in the way of big improvements and then I just let my iPad battery die and it sits in a shelf untouched.

I come to macRumors everyday. Seeing an article of the new rumored size seems a ridiculous investment for Apple when there are other products that seem neglected. All the new sizes and mini-features added to Apple stuff doesn't help the products much and leaves some customers bored and ready to kids sit back and wait for something special/not wanting to buy or upgrade every year.

 

[jtrenthacker]

Why? Seriously.... why?

 

[Jsameds]

Why? Seriously.... why?

Bigger screen in the same sized unit. Why not?

 

[Danilo - Italy]

So the 10.5" iPad will have a new form factor with bezel-less design? I hope other iPads get that too

Is this means OLED screen finally?

 

[ChrisCW11]

If true then yet another reason why Tim Cook should be canned as a CEO. Flood the market with various sizes and models and HOPE that this will reinvigorate the iPad brand, instead of doing something, you know, innovative to get customers interested in the product again. This guy is starting to throw darts at a board now when planning the future of Apple's product lineup, he is completely out of his depth and becoming a huge detriment to the company. Cook is Apple's Ballmer.

I really don't think people are not buying an ipad because they are waiting for the right screen size, everyone that wanted an ipad has one already, and most people are hanging on to them for a few years now because the"updated" models are simply not compelling enough to re-invest in again.

 

[Investor27]

Is this means OLED screen finally?

Not until 2018 according to Kuo.

 

[melendezest]

The problem with the iPad is not its size, weight, or horsepower.

The problem is Apple's lack of vision for the device.

As others have already stated, it begins with the OS.

Apple made a decision way back to lock that sucker down, and they effectively crippled the device's ability to truly redefine computing.

If Apple truly intends the iPad to be the future they need to allow filesystem access, eliminate the proprietary lightning horses***t, provide mouse/trackpad support, and open up more customization options like Android does.

Until that happens, the iPad will remain a toy that can do some minor pro stuff instead of a full-blown Pro tool you can play with.

But Apple's doubling-down on the consumer-side. It's abandoning the pro segment little by little: "The iMac is powerful enough." "An iPad is all you need." A soldered-down, (effectively) port-less Mac is "Pro".

One look at Apple's current product line makes it obvious: Apple is in chaos.

They are letting the competition catch up and fill in the gaps, instead of expanding their portfolio and taking at least some eggs out of the iPhone basket.

 

[McDonkel]

The complaining here is incredible. They are going to increase the screen size of an iPad by reducing its bezel. THIS IS A GOOD THING.
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Apple made a decision way back to lock that sucker down, and they effectively crippled the device's ability to truly redefine computing.

If Apple truly intends the iPad to be the future they need to allow filesystem access, eliminate the proprietary lightning horses***t, provide mouse/trackpad support, and open up more customization options like Android does.

Until that happens, the iPad will remain a toy that can do some minor pro stuff instead of a full-blown Pro tool you can play with.

An unlocked OS with file system access, industry-standard ports, mouse and trackpad support, and more customization... sounds like a Mac! You know Apple is still making those, right?

 

[nwcs]

"Today's sources corroborate that claim also, citing Apple's apparent intention "to compete with Android models"."

All fine and good. Now, Apple, the secret is to also compete in the phone space. Let us have:

1. Budget iPhone
2. iPhone 4" with up to date specs
3. Phablet (already produced)
4. Phablet XL (already produced)

Just make #1 and #2 and you'll have a larger customer base that's much happier.

 

[melendezest]

An unlocked OS with file system access, industry-standard ports, mouse and trackpad support, and more customization... sounds like a Mac! You know Apple is still making those, right?

No they aren't.

Sarcasm aside, the issue you missed from my post is that if, IF Apple intends the iPad to be the future (given their comments on it and the state of the Mac today), they need to uncripple it into a device that can replace the Mac.

As it is today, it can't.

But if they open up iOS, they could. Apple already created an integrated touch & desktop OS like Microsoft is desperately trying to. They just don't realize they did:

"iOS is OS X" -Steve Jobs

I have no doubt the iPad & iOS is the future. But Apple has to have the right vision for it. Tim Cook is unfortunately, a bean-counter, not an artist/visionary.

And Jony Ive is USELESS without Steve Jobs. He's an amputee.
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"Today's sources corroborate that claim also, citing Apple's apparent intention "to compete with Android models"."

All fine and good. Now, Apple, the secret is to also compete in the phone space. Let us have:

1. Budget iPhone
2. iPhone 4" with up to date specs
3. Phablet (already produced)
4. Phablet XL (already produced)

Just make #1 and #2 and you'll have a larger customer base that's much happier.

The fundamental difference between Android and Apple products is the software.

If Timmy don't get that, he's a fool.

Apple already has the golden egg. They need to polish it.

But right now, Apple is Xerox. Google and Microsoft are Steve Jobs at the PARC.

 

[Mansu944]

Relax people they haven't done anything yet...but then again those speaker holes on the left of my phone are fake...

 

[Rob_2811]

The complaining here is incredible. They are going to increase the screen size of an iPad by reducing its bezel. THIS IS A GOOD THING.
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An unlocked OS with file system access, industry-standard ports, mouse and trackpad support, and more customization... sounds like a Mac! You know Apple is still making those, right?

Only just..

 

[Mascots]

I love my 9.7 iPad Pro. Just about my only complaint is that I would like a larger screen size, without having to go to the too big 12.9. So all the rumors about a new iPad Pro in the 10.x" range are music to my ears.

I have this same feeling and it gives me an internal struggle - more dilution of iPad is the last thing I feel it needs, but I do all of my note taking on mine and that extra space would be nice.

 

[Rob_2811]

No they aren't.

Sarcasm aside, the issue you missed from my post is that if, IF Apple intends the iPad to be the future (given their comments on it and the state of the Mac today), they need to uncripple it into a device that can replace the Mac.

As it is today, it can't.

But if they open up iOS, they could. Apple already created an integrated touch & desktop OS like Microsoft is desperately trying to. They just don't realize they did:

"iOS is OS X" -Steve Jobs

I have no doubt the iPad & iOS is the future. But Apple has to have the right vision for it. Tim Cook is unfortunately, a bean-counter, not an artist/visionary.

And Jony Ive is USELESS without Steve Jobs. He's an amputee.
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The fundamental difference between Android and Apple products is the software.

If Timmy don't get that, he's a fool.

Apple already has the golden egg. They need to polish it.

But right now, Apple is Xerox. Google and Microsoft are Steve Jobs at the PARC.

Couldn't agree more.

Tim Cook, November 2015 after the release of the iPad Pro: “I think if you’re looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore,"

June 2016: Slew of new features announced for iOS 10 at WWDC, practically none do anything to improve productivity on the iPad.

They just seem strategically completely rudderless, there seems to be no congruence at all between how they want to market the product and new additions to the software

 

[McDonkel]

No they aren't.

Sarcasm aside, the issue you missed from my post is that if, IF Apple intends the iPad to be the future (given their comments on it and the state of the Mac today), they need to uncripple it into a device that can replace the Mac.

As it is today, it can't.

But if they open up iOS, they could. Apple already created an integrated touch & desktop OS like Microsoft is desperately trying to. They just don't realize they did:

"iOS is OS X" -Steve Jobs

I have no doubt the iPad & iOS is the future. But Apple has to have the right vision for it. Tim Cook is unfortunately, a bean-counter, not an artist/visionary.

I don't think there's any intention for iOS to replace the Mac for all uses. Programming and serious creative content production will always be better on a traditional personal computer.

For context, I am an Apple fan who has never owned any kind of Windows device ever, and my childhood computer was a Mac Classic II. I LOVE the Mac. And I do generally agree that the Steve Jobs magic is gone, and I miss it - I have no ill feelings towards Tim Cook, but his raison d'etre is to make money, not change the world.

My main computing tasks are video gaming, taking notes and writing papers, keeping up with the news, reading books, listening to music, watching TV and movies, communicating with friends on social media, managing my photo library, making simple jams with my friends on Garageband, and taking care of all the other boring stuff like banking, etc... honestly, I hardly ever use my Mac. My iPhone, iPad Pro (12.9"), Apple TV and Playstation serve these needs perfectly well. I'd say the Mac is totally superflous for my needs and I doubt I will replace mine.

I don't need apps beyond the App Store. It has literally everything I'd ever want, and I like that it's curated and there aren't garbage apps that will install crap all over my computer or put it at risk. I don't need a file system beyond a place to save documents, for which I use iCloud Drive and OneDrive. With an OS that's built from the ground up for touch (iOS), touch is great and I don't miss using a mouse.

Basically, the iPad meets my needs well. It is a joy to use. It will not meet everybody's needs. But I'd imagine there are more people like me than like a programmer, or someone who makes a living with Adobe Illustrator. For those people, Mac and Windows still exist. For mostly everyone else, I think the current iPad lineup is truly a good offering.

 

[Saturn1217]

It is so nice to not have to be emotionally invested in this apple product line (vs Macs). I already have my 12.9" iPad pro. It works exceptionally well for a limited set of tasks (note taking, video watching, being a portable sound system). I don't make the mistake of trying to make it do more and thus save myself from all the frustration I experienced with my previous iPad air (back when I was under the impression I could use an iPad for everything...yeah right). As long as my apple pencil keeps working and devs don't completely abandon the platform I'm all set for the next 5 years.

Apple can do whatever they want as far as I'm concerned.

 

[I7guy]

Couldn't agree more.

Tim Cook, November 2015 after the release of the iPad Pro: “I think if you’re looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore,"

June 2016: Slew of new features announced for iOS 10 at WWDC, practically none do anything to improve productivity on the iPad.

They just seem strategically completely rudderless, there seems to be no congruence at all between how they want to market the product and new additions to the software

What would improve productivity on the iPad? Run os/x on it?

 

[melendezest]

I don't think there's any intention for iOS to replace the Mac for all uses. Programming and serious creative content production will always be better on a traditional personal computer.

Why is that exactly? I mean, seriously, what makes a traditional personal computer different from the iPad? The answers lie exactly there.

For context, I am an Apple fan who has never owned any kind of Windows device ever, and my childhood computer was a Mac Classic II. I LOVE the Mac. And I do generally agree that the Steve Jobs magic is gone, and I miss it - I have no ill feelings towards Tim Cook, but his raison d'etre is to make money, not change the world.

I agree 100%. I started with Windows, went Mac for 15 years, and it looks like I'm going back to Windows or maybe Linux, sadly, because of Apple.

My main uses of technology are video gaming, taking class notes and writing papers, keeping up with the news, reading books, listening to music, watching TV and movies, communicating with friends on social media, managing my photo library, making simple jams with my friends on Garageband, and taking care of all the other boring stuff like banking, etc... honestly, I hardly ever use my Mac. My iPhone, iPad Pro (12.9"), Apple TV and Playstation serve these needs perfectly well. I'd say the Mac is totally superflous for my needs and I doubt it will be replaced.

Right. The issue is, the iPad is powerful. Could be even more so. And the Mac has already become superfluous in many of those use cases. The Mac is dying. But iOS is stuck in the past.

I don't need apps beyond the App Store. It has literally everything I'd ever want. I don't need a file system beyond a place to save documents, for which I use iCloud Drive and OneDrive. For an OS that's built from the ground up for touch (iOS), touch is great and I don't miss having a mouse.

But a Pro would need all those things. The infrastructure for delivering Pro Apps is already there. The horsepower and hardware are (very close to) already there. A computer without local storage access is not a computer. Apple needs to put that in there for those that need it, even if you or most consumers don't.

Basically, the iPad meets my needs well. It is a joy to use. It will not meet everybody's needs. But I'd imagine there are more people like me than like a programmer, or someone who makes a living with Adobe Illustrator. For those people, Mac and Windows still exist. For mostly everyone else, I think the current iPad lineup is truly a good offering.

Agreed, but the issue is that the only one limiting the iPad's capabilities is Apple itself. Again, they don't know what they have.

 

[rp2011]

I have the regular iPad and an iPad mini. I also own a iPhone SE and a 7 Plus. The devices I feel most comfortable using are the phones. I find both current sizes of iPad awkward to hold vs the SE or the 7 Plus and my ipads just sit there. I would have thought that the mini would be the sweet spot but it isn't.

I love to draw and been considering buying the new 12" for drawing or editing photos. That one may be great for me because that one I plan on using flat on a table vs the other ipads which are intended to be hand held.

One thing I don't understand about the iPad mini UI is why the safari controls are up above like on a Mac instead of the bottom, where it's easier for your fingers to reach.

 

[eebrown]

- iOS is crippled
- Apple is neglecting Macs/"Pros"
- The lineup is fragmented
- Tim's gotta go

Did I miss any? Macrumors is hilarious.

Yes you forgot Steve would have never done this and Apple is domed.

 

[Firelock]

I have this same feeling and it gives me an internal struggle - more dilution of iPad is the last thing I feel it needs, but I do all of my note taking on mine and that extra space would be nice.

I'm assuming that the rumored 10.x" iPad Pro would replace the 9.7" version. I agree that it does not make much sense to have both sizes.

 

[McDonkel]

I mean, seriously, what makes a traditional personal computer different from the iPad? The answers lie exactly there.

[...]

Right. The issue is, the iPad is powerful. Could be even more so. And the Mac has already become superfluous in many of those use cases. The Mac is dying. But iOS is stuck in the past.

[...]

But a Pro would need all those things. The infrastructure for delivering Pro Apps is already there. The horsepower and hardware are (very close to) already there. A computer without local storage access is not a computer. Apple needs to put that in there for those that need it, even if you or most consumers don't.

Exactly! It's not a "computer" in the traditional sense. I find that a "not-computer", an iPad, defined by its touch interface, its App Store and its thinness and lightness, serves my needs better.

Why dilute them into each other? If you like Apple's chips (and who wouldn't, they are best in class), Apple just needs to stop dilly dallying and put them into Macs. But an iPad is not defined by its processor. It's defined by the ways it's different to use than a Mac. And I like it!

 

[Rob_2811]

What would improve productivity on the iPad? Run os/x on it?

Put some decent I/O on it, add functionality that allows it to play better on external displays, improve the awful app switcher, give it drag an drop functionality. There is a tonne of thing that could improve the situation.

I don't think there's any intention for iOS to replace the Mac for all uses. Programming and serious creative content production will always be better on a traditional personal computer.

For context, I am an Apple fan who has never owned any kind of Windows device ever, and my childhood computer was a Mac Classic II. I LOVE the Mac. And I do generally agree that the Steve Jobs magic is gone, and I miss it - I have no ill feelings towards Tim Cook, but his raison d'etre is to make money, not change the world.

My main computing tasks are video gaming, taking notes and writing papers, keeping up with the news, reading books, listening to music, watching TV and movies, communicating with friends on social media, managing my photo library, making simple jams with my friends on Garageband, and taking care of all the other boring stuff like banking, etc... honestly, I hardly ever use my Mac. My iPhone, iPad Pro (12.9"), Apple TV and Playstation serve these needs perfectly well. I'd say the Mac is totally superflous for my needs and I doubt I will replace mine.

I don't need apps beyond the App Store. It has literally everything I'd ever want, and I like that it's curated and there aren't garbage apps that will install crap all over my computer or put it at risk. I don't need a file system beyond a place to save documents, for which I use iCloud Drive and OneDrive. With an OS that's built from the ground up for touch (iOS), touch is great and I don't miss using a mouse.

Basically, the iPad meets my needs well. It is a joy to use. It will not meet everybody's needs. But I'd imagine there are more people like me than like a programmer, or someone who makes a living with Adobe Illustrator. For those people, Mac and Windows still exist. For mostly everyone else, I think the current iPad lineup is truly a good offering.

Unless the iPad is seem as something that can supersede the Mac at some stage in the future it will just sink further into irrelevance.

The problem is that the scenario you have suggested doesn't exist for most, most people aren't going to buy that 12.9 inch iPad because price wise it is in Mac territory, you could certainly get a decent windows machine for that price. The iPad cannot continue to just be this device for casual users if Apple expects the sales to ever pick up. Most of the tasks done on an iPad can be done on an iPhone. The sales number tell the story people are reluctant to pay Apples ever increasing prices for a bigger iPhone.

This leaves Apple where they are now, seemingly unwilling to open up the iPad and make it a proper computing platform and seemingly lacking any real interest in the Mac. As a result both platforms are suffering.

 

[melendezest]

Yes you forgot Steve would have never done this and Apple is domed.

Here's something that'll make you guys happy then:

Apple, Apple, Rah, Rah, RAH!!!

Don't dis Apple 'cause there's no FLAW!

They're so THIN they'll drop your JAW!

Even-with-all-the-dongles, you'll be in AWE!

No complaints should be the LAW!!
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Exactly! It's not a "computer" in the traditional sense. I find that a "not-computer", an iPad, defined by its touch interface, its App Store and its thinness and lightness, serves my needs better.

Why dilute them into each other? If you like Apple's chips (and who wouldn't, they are best in class), Apple just needs to stop dilly dallying and put them into Macs. But an iPad is not defined by its processor. It's defined by the ways it's different to use than a Mac. And I like it!

Well, when Tim Cook says an iPad is all you need, and then we get non-pro, appliance MBPs, what are we supposed to do?!

 

[jetjaguar]

Just get rid of the bezels on all the iPads please and add a matte black option. Please just fix the damn software because that is what is holding the iPad back at this point