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Security Experts Wary as 1Password Subscriptions Push Users to Cloud-Based Vaults
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These worries are compounded by the fact that 1Password 6 for Windows was designed from the ground up to support 1Password Teams customers only (and then later expanded to include family and individual plans), and we are unsure how this adventure will play out on the Windows side of the world, so we haven’t made any public announcements about when support for standalone vaults will be added, if ever.
Hmmm... doesn't sound promising.
The issue I have is that the version with the local vaults versus the subscription model have different user interfaces. The former one allows you to create nested folders as well as assign tags. The latter one has no folder support, but only the ability to assign tags. The difference may seem subtle or even redundant until you use it for a while. The hierarchical interface provided with nested folders makes organization much easier to me than just assigning tags to one flat, linear list of entries.
It amuses me how many people consider their own computer a safer place to store secrets than, for example, the Amazon cloud.
Same logic applies to numerous other servers/hosts out there - and whilst I don't dispute it, the theory may not apply so well to other vendors out there who may use other hosting platforms.
Regardless though, this sounds just like a push for the subscription model. As someone who has bought 1Password on multiple platforms now and am happily using DropBox sync, I would be most disappointed if that got taken away from me. I'm happy to pay for upgrades to new versions and other 'value adds' (eg the Apple Watch app was something which swayed me to pay), I do not like being locked in.
To AgileBits credit though, their support has always been great on the forums, and there is a way to export the data easily.
Once quantum computing rears its head, surely passwords will become irrelevant anyway. Anything will be able to break a password in seconds. Your password vault will be the least of your worries...
Not necessarily; it CAN work on via iCloud, but it's not necessary; you can turn it off in System Prefs > iCloud....
Guys,
Thank you so very much for this info!
eWallet promises to be a very good substitution for 1P. Thanks for suggestion.
https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/ewallet/id411718305?mt=12&ign-mpt=uo=4
Good reviews, nice history of development, no subscription, yes wifi syncing!
With all these other mentioned app possibilities, 1P started already loosing its customers....
I have evaluated eWallet several time. It looks good and price is attractive. However import options are very limited. I have many years of data in my password manager and eWallet just doesn't import in a useful form. So if you are moving from another platform you may very well have many problems.
I have 1 Password on my Mac, on my i phone, and I just decided to set it up on my iPad Pro 9.7, NOPE when I downloaded it it was the regular version 6.0, yesterday it was listed as an update, which I allowed to progress, only to find out today it is SUBSCRIPTION ONLY! BASTARDS! Goodbye, 1 PASSWORD!!
I have 1password on my iPad at 6.7.1 and it is not subscription. Now I installed a few months ago but it was already at 6 are you sure there is not a purchase option after you install? There was for me.
It's not. If you paid for the pro version, you srill have it ($9.99). Even if you just got it today, it has this. I just took this screenshot just now and it shows the pro features still that do not require a subscription.
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Dear Agile Bits. No thanks, I'm not interested in your cloud. Give me a price for local DBs and I will continue to use your solution as I have for several years. We can part ways and I can upgrade to a newer version or renew my license in a year.
The problem is (as a one password customer myself) is that they have not upgraded the app for people who want local vaults synced to dropbox. You are stuck on version 4 while the cloud version is at v6.
I downloaded v6 and when I enquired they told me to downgrade back to v4. They said they didn't have a timeframe for supporting local vaults in v6 and I asked this over 6 months ago.
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My objection is paying $60 a year for storing passwords, compared to something like the utility of office 356 which is $120 a year but also gives you 1TB cloud storage. I have so many subscriptions, I'd like to keep a lid on it.
I'd maybe go for it if it was cheaper. I've had 1 password 4 for what seems like years now and only paid something like $30-40 for it on special.
Generally speaking, the only one that has access to your computer is, you...
In addition to being stored in AWS or elsewhere. The data has to be transmitted to get there.
Less hands in the pot. Less room for error.
Even you store data in the cloud. You still authenticate from your computer to access it. With that in mind. If your computer is not safe. It doesn't matter how safe cloud services are.
I want them to get hacked. Someone make it happen.
It will humble them. For too long they've had their ego massaged by Apple bloggers.
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These worries are compounded by the fact that 1Password 6 for Windows was designed from the ground up to support 1Password Teams customers only (and then later expanded to include family and individual plans), and we are unsure how this adventure will play out on the Windows side of the world, so we haven’t made any public announcements about when support for standalone vaults will be added, if ever.
Hmmm... doesn't sound promising.
1Password for Windows has always been a tragique mess. Good riddance I say.
I would use a cloud password service, but its not just how the file is stored.
Storing of passwords in local vaults on each pc is a small target.
Storing millions of passwords and credit cards in one place is a big honking red target.
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That doesn't make sense to me.
Encryption anywhere can be as slow as you want it to be.
Decryption is what needs to be fast.
Websites are designed to be hit by large numbers of views. Not all views are login attempts.
Whether it is a website or a password website, both have to have high availability.
Lets say a billion people log in to a million of sites. The number of logins is spread across those sites.
Lets say there are only 4 password sites, those billion logins are hitting just 4 sites and they'd better be quick
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I agree. There is another use but I think it is less used and that is wifi syncing which gives you passwords on all devices and no cloud required. But syncing in this case is limited to when your devices are together in the same place.
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I wonder if quantum computing when it arrives will allow an infinitely large number of primes to be created that would take a quantum computer years to crack.
For me it's not about the fact they want to add cloud based services, they are the future pretty much.
It's the subscription model they and many other developers are pushing. It's gonna kill consumers in the long run.
And don't get be wrong, there are some software applications where it makes sense and it's better for the consumer. I.e companies that have a high staff turn over and hire via projects coming and going. Or people that only need certain software at certain stages of a project etc
But it's clear the market DOES NOT WANT subscription based services for everything.
It's the subscription model they and many other developers are pushing. It's gonna kill consumers in the long run.
And don't get be wrong, there are some software applications where it makes sense and it's better for the consumer. I.e companies that have a high staff turn over and hire via projects coming and going. Or people that only need certain software at certain stages of a project etc
But it's clear the market DOES NOT WANT subscription based services for everything.
1Password made a blog post
https://blog.agilebits.com/2017/07/13/why-we-love-1password-memberships/
"These worries are compounded by the fact that 1Password 6 for Windows was designed from the ground up to support 1Password Teams customers only (and then later expanded to include family and individual plans), and we are unsure how this adventure will play out on the Windows side of the world, so we haven’t made any public announcements about when support for standalone vaults will be added, if ever. Many Mac users worry that the same fate awaits 1Password 6 for Mac, and that we will remove support for local vaults and force them to pay again.
This isn’t going to happen. First, it would be evil to take away something you’ve already paid for. And evil doesn’t make for a Happy 1Password Customer, which is the cornerstone for a Happy 1Password Maker. It’s simply not who we are.
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And you need not worry about 1Password 7 for Mac, either, as it will continue to support standalone vaults just like version 6 does today."
https://blog.agilebits.com/2017/07/13/why-we-love-1password-memberships/
"These worries are compounded by the fact that 1Password 6 for Windows was designed from the ground up to support 1Password Teams customers only (and then later expanded to include family and individual plans), and we are unsure how this adventure will play out on the Windows side of the world, so we haven’t made any public announcements about when support for standalone vaults will be added, if ever. Many Mac users worry that the same fate awaits 1Password 6 for Mac, and that we will remove support for local vaults and force them to pay again.
This isn’t going to happen. First, it would be evil to take away something you’ve already paid for. And evil doesn’t make for a Happy 1Password Customer, which is the cornerstone for a Happy 1Password Maker. It’s simply not who we are.
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And you need not worry about 1Password 7 for Mac, either, as it will continue to support standalone vaults just like version 6 does today."
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I believe them, 1Password 6 for Mac is fine....Even 1Password 7
"And you need not worry about 1Password 7 for Mac, either, as it will continue to support standalone vaults just like version 6 does today"
I'm betting 1Password 8 is a different story though. As a company, why offer these 2 models? One makes less money one makes more? The writing is on the wall.
"And you need not worry about 1Password 7 for Mac, either, as it will continue to support standalone vaults just like version 6 does today"
I'm betting 1Password 8 is a different story though. As a company, why offer these 2 models? One makes less money one makes more? The writing is on the wall.
The language suggests 8 will be when it gets enforced, though it doesn't guarantee it, but it seems a fair prediction. I imagine though, that they won't ever disable previous versions and force people to upgrade - they said themselves, you can't go around taking away something someone has paid for. Leave that to evil neer-do-wells like EA.
Yeah I was thinking that also, and you're probably right in the long term. I think the tricky bit will be the revolutionary nature of quantum, and that at first it'll probably only be available to the extremely rich and the NSA (assuming the latter don't have it already). So everyone will be exposed for a little while until quantum becomes affordable for everyone.
Yeah I was thinking that also, and you're probably right in the long term. I think the tricky bit will be the revolutionary nature of quantum, and that at first it'll probably only be available to the extremely rich and the NSA (assuming the latter don't have it already). So everyone will be exposed for a little while until quantum becomes affordable for everyone.
Wow. Just wow. I would never wish this on anyone or any company that is making a legit product. For the people who use the web for harm, them I don't care about.