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Last month, Microsoft announced the upcoming launch of Copilot+ Windows PCs with integrated AI hardware and software. One feature that Microsoft touted was Recall, a tool that's designed to take regular snapshots of PC content to help users find anything they've seen or done on their machine.


As it turns out, Recall might be a security nightmare for Windows users. Security expert Kevin Beaumont recently said (via The Verge) that he was able to automate a program that provides plain text data of everything a user has viewed, despite Microsoft's claims that Recall information cannot be exfiltrated remotely.

Beaumont claims that Recall is "essentially an infostealer" that's included in Windows by default, and that it will "set cybersecurity back a decade by empowering cybercriminals." With Recall, hackers are able to scrape "everything you've ever looked at within seconds," and users should prepare for "AI powered super breaches."

Microsoft describes Recall as a feature that lets you "search across time to find the content you need." Powered by AI, Recall takes snapshots every five seconds when content on the screen is different from the prior snapshot and stores the snapshots in a timeline, with AI software using OCR to make the text in the snapshots searchable. Microsoft says that snapshots are locally stored and are analyzed on-device, which should make them secure, but the OCR data is stored in an SQLite database that could be accessed by hackers who infiltrate a PC using malware.

According to Beaumont, infostealer trojans are able to be "easily modified to support Recall" and data from the feature can be accessed remotely. Microsoft "tried to do a bunch of things" to improve security, but ultimately, "none of it actually works properly in the real world." The database that is theoretically accessible by malicious actors contains everything a user has seen such as text messages and passwords, every user interaction, and all websites visited (with the exception of Microsoft Edge in Private Mode).

Beaumont has not shared full technical details on how he automated exfiltration of the Recall database, and is holding until Recall is shipped because he wants to give Microsoft "time to do something." Beaumont recommends that Microsoft pull the feature for the time being.

Copilot+ PCs with Recall are set to launch on June 18. As of now, Recall is turned on by default, though users can optionally disable it.

Update: Given the response to Recall, Microsoft has decided to make it an opt-in feature rather than an opt-out feature. It will no longer be on by default, and there will be an option to opt in or opt out when setting up a Copilot+ PC. Windows Hello will also be required to turn on Recall for an extra layer of authentication. Windows Hello requires a face scan, fingerprint, or PIN to access a machine. Proof of presence will be required as well, so a screenshot timeline won't be accessible without authentication.

To address concerns about the accessibility of the database that Recall creates, Microsoft is adding additional layers of protection linked to authentication, and the search index database has been encrypted.

Article Link: Security Researcher Calls Windows 11 AI 'Recall' Screenshotting Feature a Disaster [Updated]
 
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Hopefully Microsoft gets the security figured out before launch, which might mean completely scrapping this "feature". It will be interesting to know how much of a risk this really is for the average user. We don't know everything about the Recall feature yet or the security risks so it is difficult to know how much of a problem it is.
 
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This "feature" is beyond stupid and something no one asked for, well, no user anyway.

This article here, though, is the first I've seen mention the supposed benefit to the user:"a tool that's designed to take regular snapshots of PC content to help users find anything they've seen or done on their machine." Nobody wants that...for reasons which should be obvious to anyone with a clue.

So if there is no tangible benefit to users, then it's there for one purpose, and one purpose only: to exploit them.

Nevermind, of course, the security implications in the enterprise. Popular responses to this seem to be "you can disable it in Group Policy" -- but of course, once the network is compromised so to is Group Policy.

What a ********.

The real question is does MS pull back or double down? I think we know the answer.
 
imagine if Apple did this
As someone who loves apple products and uses a lot of them, I am a harsh critic of apple because I want their stuff be great for me to keep using it. When Apple anounced the photo scanning locally on device the techsphere nearly brought the internet down on apple.

Microsoft does this and because they slapped AI/chatgpt/copiolot we all just What say “I hope they nail the security“ This is a flaw at the core. It takes pictures of the passwords as you enter them. That’s so lazy it’s unreal. Microsoft and google wasted no time throwing off the “we care about privacy” hats and double way down on ”feed us data for AI”.

Good luck “turning it off” Microsoft‘s privacy settings are AWFUL. I tried going through it I have no idea and the next update will probably just switch it back on, change a setting w/e. It’s ridiculous.
 
This "feature" is beyond stupid and something no one asked for, well, no user anyway.

This article here, though, is the first I've seen mention the supposed benefit to the user:"a tool that's designed to take regular snapshots of PC content to help users find anything they've seen or done on their machine." Nobody wants that...for reasons which should be obvious to anyone with a clue.

So if there is no tangible benefit to users, then it's there for one purpose, and one purpose only: to exploit them.

Nevermind, of course, the security implications in the enterprise. Popular responses to this seem to be "you can disable it in Group Policy" -- but of course, once the network is compromised so to is Group Policy.

What a ********.

The real question is does MS pull back or double down? I think we know the answer.
No-one asked for Windows 11.

We were originally told that Windows 10 was the last Windows, Windows would become a service. Now they are killing 10 and replacing it with 11 which obsoletes maybe half of all windows machines which it does not support.

Worse it is filling 11 with things no-one wants or asked for. Edge is basically a personal information stealer. Now Windows wants to put that into the OS. Worse still they are shoehorning AI nonsense everywhere, ready or not.

And no, this will not making me use a Mac, no matter how much I enjoy my iPad and iPhone. Probably will go to a version of Linux if this madness doesn’t stop. I probably wont have to decide for a while yet.
 
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I used a program on the Mac called Rewind which is identical to this. It was super useful, and I was never concerned about privacy. It was all stored locally. It turns out I keep too may windows open with the amount of RAM I have for the program to work well, so I stopped using it. Plus it took up a lot of disk space. But if it hadn't been for the performance issues I would have kept using it.

Edit: The number of windows open had to do with how it recorded. I'm not sure exactly how it worked. Rewind didn't take literal screenshots but seemed to use some system frameworks to recreate your activity on the computer.
 
No-one asked for Windows 11.

We were originally told that Windows 10 was the last Windows, Windows would become a service. Now they are killing 10 and replacing it with 11 which obsoletes maybe half of all windows machines which it does not support.

Worse it is filling 11 with things no-one wants or asked for. Edge is basically a personal information stealer. Now Windows wants to put that into the OS. Worse still they are shoehorning AI nonsense everywhere, ready or not.

An no, this will not making me use a Mac, no matter how much I enjoy my iPad and iPhone. Probably will go to a version of Linux if this madness doesn’t stop. I probably wont have to decide for a while yet.
One of the worst parts about the change to 11 is the compatibility. So many currently used PCs are not compatible (for hardware reasons) with 11. I have seen that some that initially claim that their PC isn't compatible really just need to go into the BIOS and make a few changes, but you cannot expect the average user to know that. So not only did they basically lie about 10, but with not supporting 10 soon basically force upgrading a lot of PCs since especially businesses will need to have latest updates (at least any company that I worked for)
 
I only run Windows in S Mode with almost every path of info sharing and source of advertising disabled. But, with these new machines on the way, that won’t be nearly enough. Looks like no more Windows going forward. Apple? The jury is still out. But the company’s tardiness on AI may turn out to be a blessing.
 
imagine if Apple did this
Apple already did. How do you think Siri learns your habits? Really curious how many people know what's in the secure enclave and where Microsoft mis-stepped in copying the technology.

The idea is similar the data lives and "dies" on the device that's why things like Siri knowing your routine and FaceID getting to know more of your "looks" has to start over each time you get a new phone.

The actual theory is blown out of proportion. The idea is the data is a tool for the end user and no one else including if the device is on a domain has access to said data. The data only exists in the secure enclave for said user.

Sounds like Microsoft has botched something in their implementation or who knows its by design. If done properly I think its a step in the right direction. If its not, then it needs to be dropped altogether.

People keep making comments on how this is a huge privacy risk. I kind of think that's funny because no offense if a company someone works for doesn't care about privacy, they have had access to everything for a very long time now. I had to fight quite hard to get my place to convert from MDM to MAM on personal devices a few years back. In 2024 that's a question I would ask flat out interviewing, if you haven't switched to MAM regardless of reason, I will not work for you.
 
Good luck “turning it off” Microsoft‘s privacy settings are AWFUL. I tried going through it I have no idea and the next update will probably just switch it back on, change a setting w/e. It’s ridiculous.
I stopped with Microsoft after Windows 7 for all personal usage. I still have to deal with it for some work stuff, unfortunately. One thing that really sold it for me was giving recent MS ToS a full read through. It amounted to "Microsoft takes your privacy very seriously. Everything on your computer belongs to Microsoft, everything within view of any attached cameras belongs to Microsoft, everything within range of any microphones belongs to Microsoft. Microsoft may use, sell, transfer, or otherwise exploit this data in any way Microsoft wishes and with whomever Microsoft wishes with or without your express knowledge or consent."
 
I don't/wouldn't/Don't need to use it so I don't care.
I saw a comment on another site pointing out that you can still be affected by it. Imagine if you have a "private" conversation with a Windows 11 user via a supposedly-encrypted chat app, and Recall saves copies of the text.

If, as the article states, the SQLite database can be opened by the logged-in user then ransomware could grab that database and send it to malicious parties. Things could go from "pay us if you want your files back" to "pay us if you don't want your secrets, and your friends' secrets, published".
 
I saw a comment on another site pointing out that you can still be affected by it. Imagine if you have a "private" conversation with a Windows 11 user via a supposedly-encrypted chat app, and Recall saves copies of the text.

If, as the article states, the SQLite database can be opened by the logged-in user then ransomware could grab that database and send it to malicious parties. Things could go from "pay us if you want your files back" to "pay us if you don't want your secrets, and your friends' secrets, published".
Well, if you use it.

There are steps to have this occur. With all due respect to the people trying to explain this, there is a missed explanation of how hackers can get in. You have to give them control literally. Most times people never get to that point. Fear-mongering is one thing, hate-mongering (about a company's products) to post these types of comments. Pointing out actions that only would occur if said person gave permission. That is more or less unlikely Pointing out that not everything you read is explained in proper detail.
 
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Seriously, what was/is Microsoft thinking with this "feature?" It is one hack (which we all know will happen) from turning into one of, if not, the biggest data breaches ever. Worst of all, it seems Microsoft straight up lied to their customers about where the data for "Recall" is supposed to be stored, and the security of it. Techies like us, would turn this "feature" off instantly, however, just think of the millions and millions (worldwide) of Windows PC's that the user will most likely never even know that this is even running or care!

I am very happy my ONLY dealings with Microsoft these days is Xbox, which to be fair, is a great experience!

Very glad I am an Apple only guy (except Xbox) and do not have to deal with the mess that is Windows!

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