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I only run Windows in S Mode with almost every path of info sharing and source of advertising disabled. But, with these new machines on the way, that won’t be nearly enough. Looks like no more Windows going forward. Apple? The jury is still out. But the company’s tardiness on AI may turn out to be a blessing.
Apples use of machine learning has been solid so far. This new stuff is weird.
 
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I hate all this AI ****.

There, I said it.
Honestly, from all the comments I read, I don't think most people are all too excited for "AI," as it's broadly termed. If anything, people are very hesitant or don't see the value, and most are already sick to death of hearing about it, and we're just at the front door of this hellhouse. Just read about the new products coming out, AI gets mentioned 20-something times in 3 paragraphs. I get there are probably real values to it, but right now the big tech companies are casting a wide net and hoping they can ride the wave. I dunno, at some point it becomes too much of something else using your computer, and before too long, you're the "Copilot."
 
Seriously, what was/is Microsoft thinking with this "feature?" It is one hack (which we all know will happen) from turning into one of, if not, the biggest data breaches ever. Worst of all, it seems Microsoft straight up lied to their customers about where the data for "Recall" is supposed to be stored, and the security of it. Techies like us, would turn this "feature" off instantly, however, just think of the millions and millions (worldwide) of Windows PC's that the user will most likely never even know that this is even running or care!

I am very happy my ONLY dealings with Microsoft these days is Xbox, which to be fair, is a great experience!

Very glad I am an Apple only guy (except Xbox) and do not have to deal with the mess that is Windows!

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I still retain windows machines for gaming and flexibility in case Apple pulled off a “recall” like feature. Whoops never mind Microsoft is like the villain that goes undercover for a while then re-emerges. Rejoining Amazon and now Google in a journey to put slime Facebook. But oh yes “Apple is a monopoly”. (Yes Apple does some dumb things but man. They’ve made Apple look so good with their recent AI push)
 
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Does anyone know if this can be turned off?

I haven't used Windows for years, but I am curious.
 
… I wonder how many people will actually use AI. I never use Siri.
It's hard to judge by Siri usage, since Siri is not AI, despite what people claim. If it's good enough, I'm sure many people will use it. I wouldn't mind a Jarvis on my phone, but the problem is, it's not Jarvis but Beavis.

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I can't help but think that Recall was some cool proof-of-concept tech demo someone tried messing around with in Microsoft... and then the company decided to make it a major headlining feature without first stopping to ask "but wait, is this actually a good idea in real world use?"
 
imagine if Apple did this

We don't have to imagine. We watched it in full technicolor when they were planning to build the photo analysis into iCloud. People were freaking out, even though Apple clearly outlined the measures in place that maintained privacy. Microsoft using an SQLite database is pure amateur hour!
 
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Apple already did. How do you think Siri learns your habits? Really curious how many people know what's in the secure enclave and where Microsoft mis-stepped in copying the technology.

The idea is similar the data lives and "dies" on the device that's why things like Siri knowing your routine and FaceID getting to know more of your "looks" has to start over each time you get a new phone.

The actual theory is blown out of proportion. The idea is the data is a tool for the end user and no one else including if the device is on a domain has access to said data. The data only exists in the secure enclave for said user.

Sounds like Microsoft has botched something in their implementation or who knows its by design. If done properly I think its a step in the right direction. If its not, then it needs to be dropped altogether.

People keep making comments on how this is a huge privacy risk. I kind of think that's funny because no offense if a company someone works for doesn't care about privacy, they have had access to everything for a very long time now. I had to fight quite hard to get my place to convert from MDM to MAM on personal devices a few years back. In 2024 that's a question I would ask flat out interviewing, if you haven't switched to MAM regardless of reason, I will not work for you.

Siri doesn't use the Secure Enclave for learning. They'd likely be using SQLite, too, for that data.

They own FoundationDB, but I haven't seen any reports of them using it in their operating systems, which seems like a missed opportunity.
 
My question is if Recall is already active on PC's we already own. It says it'll start with new PC's but how about old ones? Which Windows update installed this or will install this? I ask because I just got a new PC with Windows 11 and it already has CoPilot. Is Recall already active if you ran Windows update recently? This is definitely getting turned off.
 
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I can actually see this working out better than expected with the right accessories. Some type of folio that you can flip over onto the bottom screen and it can offer a tactile keyboard and perhaps leave a section available for a touchbar-like controls would be neat. Apple can get the most basic of things wrong sometimes, but they’re usually pretty clever in coming up with ways to make something better or more intuitive than imagined.
 
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Apple already did. How do you think Siri learns your habits? Really curious how many people know what's in the secure enclave and where Microsoft mis-stepped in copying the technology.

The idea is similar the data lives and "dies" on the device that's why things like Siri knowing your routine and FaceID getting to know more of your "looks" has to start over each time you get a new phone.

The actual theory is blown out of proportion. The idea is the data is a tool for the end user and no one else including if the device is on a domain has access to said data. The data only exists in the secure enclave for said user.

Sounds like Microsoft has botched something in their implementation or who knows its by design. If done properly I think its a step in the right direction. If its not, then it needs to be dropped altogether.

People keep making comments on how this is a huge privacy risk. I kind of think that's funny because no offense if a company someone works for doesn't care about privacy, they have had access to everything for a very long time now. I had to fight quite hard to get my place to convert from MDM to MAM on personal devices a few years back. In 2024 that's a question I would ask flat out interviewing, if you haven't switched to MAM regardless of reason, I will not work for you.
Apple and Facebook do it properly and use homomorphic encryption, which lets you perform operations on encrypted data without having to decrypt it. Microsoft should've implemented homosexual encryption as well, or if they did, they should really require user-interaction for decryption of the material.
 
As someone who loves apple products and uses a lot of them, I am a harsh critic of apple because I want their stuff be great for me to keep using it. When Apple anounced the photo scanning locally on device the techsphere nearly brought the internet down on apple.

Microsoft does this and because they slapped AI/chatgpt/copiolot we all just What say “I hope they nail the security“ This is a flaw at the core. It takes pictures of the passwords as you enter them. That’s so lazy it’s unreal. Microsoft and google wasted no time throwing off the “we care about privacy” hats and double way down on ”feed us data for AI”.

Good luck “turning it off” Microsoft‘s privacy settings are AWFUL. I tried going through it I have no idea and the next update will probably just switch it back on, change a setting w/e. It’s ridiculous.
No.
In fact it's not far after and the story has pretty much fizzled to nothing.
There are so many 'non forum people' that have just never even heard of the debacle too.

Hard the internet being brought down on them.
 
No-one asked for Windows 11.

We were originally told that Windows 10 was the last Windows, Windows would become a service. Now they are killing 10 and replacing it with 11 which obsoletes maybe half of all windows machines which it does not support.

Worse it is filling 11 with things no-one wants or asked for. Edge is basically a personal information stealer. Now Windows wants to put that into the OS. Worse still they are shoehorning AI nonsense everywhere, ready or not.

An no, this will not making me use a Mac, no matter how much I enjoy my iPad and iPhone. Probably will go to a version of Linux if this madness doesn’t stop. I probably wont have to decide for a while yet.
There's only a Windows 11 because Apple decided to finally move on from Mac OS X. Seriously. That's the whole reason. Microsoft saw that Apple just kept releasing revisions to OS X and because they have no imagination decided to do the same thing. Then Apple quits it and suddenly Microsoft is suddenly introducing Windows 11.
 
imagine if Apple did this
AHAHAHAHA! Like they won't? Sooner or later, AI will be EVERYWHERE, in EVERYTHING. Welcome to "1984"... just 40 years later. The only way to escape it will be to use some obscure OS like Haiku or some tiny Linux distro or something. Maybe not even then...
 
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i had this on mac, i used it to spy my friend who is borrowing my macbook.
 
I wonder if this is one of those features that got pushed by the marketing department and the folks in the security division got overwritten by someone in senior managment. I wouldn't be surprised if this is gone with the first super breach... I definitely can't see a single corporate IT department allowing this into their network.
 
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