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Security Update 2004-09-16

Paying My Respect...

THANK YOU AARON FOR HELPING THE MAC WORLD BE FREE OF CRAZY AIM/PC LIKE PROBLEMS. IF IT WERE NOT FOR AARON OUR MACWORLD WOULD BE MORE LIKE MY PANTS, CRAPPY. :confused:
 
This update for some reason missed up my Entourage Mail program. I am not sure why, but it was working right before this update after it it is not working properly. None of the icons work now. When I click on any of them including Send & Recive icone noting happens. If select them from the pull down menues it is fine. I don't know if anyone else experience this kind of problem. It is very stranage, I tired deleting the preference files, retarted my computer noting seem to fix this problem. Anyway, just wanted to mention this.
 
AhmedFaisal said:
For whatever reason my iSight doesn't work with iChat. No matter what I do (incl. iChatUSBCam & the IOXperts Driver) iChat only gives me a black image from my iSight (1.0.2 Firmware). The Webcam works fine in any other application. Anyone got an idea?
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I had a weird issue that took me a while to figure out.

PostgreSQL, compiled from source, appears to conflict with iChat and iSight.

I didn't get black video, but I did get a message saying something like
no video was available
 
Finally...

Finally I can now see pics that my friends on their pc's send me! Before I would just get a big pic of a file format... This is great... Keep up the good work apple. :)
 
DPazdanISU said:
THANK YOU AARON FOR HELPING THE MAC WORLD BE FREE OF CRAZY AIM/PC LIKE PROBLEMS. IF IT WERE NOT FOR AARON OUR MACWORLD WOULD BE MORE LIKE MY PANTS, CRAPPY. :confused:
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I'm blind!!!! :eek:

Please don't type in all caps. Thanks.

I understand the reasoning for this patch, but really... Considering what it fixed, was it the computer that needed patching or the people without the knowledge to prevent the security risk? :rolleyes:

The more popular that Mac OS X becomes, the more inevitable it is that we will have more and more security risks being discovered and fixed. As you become a greater target, that's bound to happen.
 
No problems so far.

Not only did I download this latest patch but I downloaded 10.3.5 which for some reason wasn't showing up on the automatic update function. And, I updated Appleworks to the latest version.

No problems so far, holding my breath. No iSight either, that'll come with the new iMac. I've had pretty good luck with upgrades and patchs so far. Maybe I'll offer my G3 iMac as a lab rat for future downloads.

What is all the controversey surrounding the 10.3.5 update about?
 
A OK

Xtremehkr said:
Not only did I download this latest patch but I downloaded 10.3.5 which for some reason wasn't showing up on the automatic update function. And, I updated Appleworks to the latest version.

No problems so far, holding my breath. No iSight either, that'll come with the new iMac. I've had pretty good luck with upgrades and patchs so far. Maybe I'll offer my G3 iMac as a lab rat for future downloads.

What is all the controversey surrounding the 10.3.5 update about?
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Same here, I've installed every patch and update that Apple has thrown my way, and everything runs as it did before.

I've been running Panther since week 2, with zero problems.

I don't mind the updates and patches, it means that the people at Cupertino are doing their job.

I do wish I had known about the dodgy link thingy before, It would have been cool to mess around with my mates mac.

I have one question...

How come everybody here loves their OS and praise the people @ Apple for it, but as soon as they release an update or patch everyone starts panicking because it might break something.???

my 2 cents. :rolleyes:
 
FYA said:
Same here, I've installed every patch and update that Apple has thrown my way, and everything runs as it did before.

I don't mind the updates and patches, it means that the people at Cupertino are doing their job.

I do wish I had known about the dodgy link thingy before, It would have been cool to mess around with my mates mac.

I have one question...

How come everybody here loves their OS and praise the people @ Apple for it, but as soon as they release an update or patch everyone starts panicking because it might break something.???

my 2 cents. :rolleyes:
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I agree, no problems since starting OS X and Panther this past January.

To your question, I just think that Mac Geeks are a cautious group.
 
Updates

I've always just done the updates - NEVER Archive & Install - and never had problems. A&I causes more time delays than it's worth...on those rare occasions when it helps and frankly from what I've seen in MacFixit, it usually hurts as much as it helps.

Anyway - I didn't get this update because I deleted iChat. :)

I think the main reason for posting the updates is to hide the fact that this site isn't updated very often any more. I'd just as soon see them on page 2.
 
allpar said:
A&I causes more time delays than it's worth...on those rare occasions when it helps and frankly from what I've seen in MacFixit, it usually hurts as much as it helps.
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I'd have to totally disagree with the previous poster.
A&I is quite useful when it's called for.
Especially in the Jaguar -> Panther move, and I suspect Panther -> Tiger move as well.
I've never had it "hurt me" in the many times I've used it supporting all the Macs that I support (~200).
 
yellow said:
Especially in the Jaguar -> Panther move, and I suspect Panther -> Tiger move as well.
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So why exactly is it more useful than doing the default? What's the advantage of archive & install?
 
You mean, A&I versus clicking the Upgrade button?

There were a number of things that were incorrectly installed or not even installed at all when one Upgraded from Jaguar to Panther. Some of the more important ones dealt with passwords. Shadow hashing and parsing of a password longer then 8 characters are HUGE. Neither of these make it into an "Upgrade". More secure (system/app) users and groups aren't installed. There's more, Google if you want to read more. I believe even MacFixIt suggested that an Archive and Install was a better idea when upgrading from Jaguar to Panther...
 
I suspect (no proof) that archive & install has advantages mainly when you've customized the operating system, i.e., installed software other than in the Applications folder or your home folder. My theory is that if you've installed hacks, tinkers, etc., A&I gives you a cleaner starting place in case some of the hacks aren't upward compatible. You will have to reinstall such things, but that's probably a good idea.
 
FYA said:
Same here, I've installed every patch and update that Apple has thrown my way, and everything runs as it did before.

I've been running Panther since week 2, with zero problems.

I don't mind the updates and patches, it means that the people at Cupertino are doing their job.

I do wish I had known about the dodgy link thingy before, It would have been cool to mess around with my mates mac.

I have one question...

How come everybody here loves their OS and praise the people @ Apple for it, but as soon as they release an update or patch everyone starts panicking because it might break something.???

my 2 cents. :rolleyes:
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Same here... never have any problems.
 
Macfixit always suggested A&I but then most of the problems they report are from people who did A&I...but the password issues are serious. Guess unless they fix that with 10.4 I'll do an A&I to go to 10.4. Shame, really, it's a PITA to do A&I.
 
I will concede that it can be a pain to do an A&I, especially if you have a lot of modified Darwin files and directories. I suspect that most of the MacFixIt complaints about A&I, though, were from people who really don't know what the hell they're doing, and just want a brainless solution.
 
We're not using Linux here. You SHOULD be able to do a painless A&I if you don't know what you're doing. Mac OS is not for computer professionals only. Indeed, one of my main complaints about X is the huge rough edges where you have to get expertise. Lowers the overall ROI.

What's more, those password fixes should have been built into the standard upgrade from Day One. Or they should have been addressed via Software Update or some other utility. It's inane for Apple to be risking what little credibility they have this way - their main selling points these days are security and ease of use.
 
We might not be LINUX users, but we are using UNIX. UNIX is complicated. It's the price we Mac users pay for stability and security.
The whole point of an A&I is to get you back to a vanilla install without having to wipe the whole drive. That part is easy. Putting all the pieces/parts back to make it look and perform like it did before, that part can be hard.
 
Last evening I installed the Security update for 9/7 & 916. Disk Utility and ran Repair Permissions and rebooted per request. My Graphite dual 450 G4 is purring like a kitten. :)
 
connection problems...!

mmm... my G4 (733 MHz, 10.3.5) has lost connection to the world since the 2004-09-16 update. AppleShare is OK but none of the internet applications (Safari, Mail,...) work anymore. Anyone seen anything similar? What is wrong?
 
I lost audio after doing this update on my 1GHz 12" PB. Was fine after rebooting. That's actually happened once before after running an update. Odd.
 
Great! Now I can finally have a profile with iChat, see icons move, have my away message pop up . . . . . . oh wait. Cr**. Oh well, I still like iChat.
 
Things have been pretty stable since installing this security update but last night while quitting UT2004, I got a kernel panic. Today, after playing UT2004, I started Firefox and any text generated by the browser was thinner than usual. Logging out and logging in fixed the visible problem.
 
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