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Except that most people have their iphones set as to automatically send all that data to Apple as "usage and diagnostics data" in iOS settings.

Remember the recent news about Apple saying how successful touch Id is? Saying people unlock their iphones an avg of 80 times per day. That is called data mining.

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/04/18/average-iphone-unlocked-80-times-per-day/

No, most people is NOT sending data to Apple and developers, unfortunately.

Sending the diagnostics is the best way for Apple and third-party developers to receive crash logs. They're very important to identify bugs, be able to fix them and ultimately improve the user experience.

And believe me, there is no way I could identify a user through a crash log. Not even the device identifier is there, only the model.

That's not data mining, that's just usage statistics.
 
hi there, i am not a developer and i am very curious about live photo editing. does anyone know whether editing live photos in ios10 allow cropping? does it allow detailed editing such as saturation, brightness, and so forth? currently in ios9, once i started to crop a live photo, it will just become a normal photo :(
Not sure if someone has replied yet. But yes, you can crop a live photo and it will update the video part to match :)
 
That's good. Actually being able to turn off and disable all those annoying folders (like "selfies") and things like the "moments/collections" and "photo stream" would really be a bonus.
I was talking more about the image analysis part. The selfies album is simply a smart album of images taken with the user-facing camera, same for videos, panoramas, slo-mo, bursts and screenshots. These are all distinctions about the capture technique. What is optional is image analysis like face detection (something that has been optional in iPhoto and Aperture all the time).
 
And if Apple hadn't added these features, you'd be one of the first to bash them for not having it. They're in a no-win situation with you.
I'm actually an everyday apple user and I don't mind using google services. I'm no fanboy. I don't bash companies.
 
Looks good, but how will this interact with the faces tags which I have done on my mac in Photos? Will the assembled albums also sync and appear on the mac?

You get a ton of Likes on your post, a lot of people are wondering the same thing. I have every single photo perfectly tagged with faces, what happens now?
 
I use iCloud photos, actually, but according to the presentation, the analysis is all done on device. I don't know how Apple does it, but they discussed this on Twit and one of Andy's contacts who is supposedly in the know, said that this was possible.

The most important thing to me is that Apple doesn't one day build a comprehensive profile of its users using all of this data. Call me paranoid, but we're now at a moment in time when all of this data in the wrong hands could lead to some serious consequences.

It's not FB and Google I'm afraid of... It's the inevitable point in time when someone or some group will get access to and use that data for nefarious purposes.

Will be interesting to see how this actually works. Personally I don't use iPhotos - that function borked a chunk of photos more than once hence I cannot trust it. I use Google photos and have found it works very well.
When I look at this and factor in Apple's "privacy" statement, if it is in iPhotos, it isn't private. Not like on device.
 
Will be interesting to see how this actually works. Personally I don't use iPhotos - that function borked a chunk of photos more than once hence I cannot trust it. I use Google photos and have found it works very well.
When I look at this and factor in Apple's "privacy" statement, if it is in iPhotos, it isn't private. Not like on device.
Do you mean you're trusting Google more than Apple in the whole privacy side of things?
 
No. I look at it as once off the device, unless I am using personal initiated encryption (cloud provider doesn't have the key) it is available to watchdogs, hackers, and used for things like refined advertising.
Completely agree. Although the only good thing is Apple don't provide any details away for adverts.
 
Actually, this is pretty great..

Now we just need it on tvOS, and we'll be set..

I gotta test this one..
 
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It's hard to get excited about a redesign when they happen this frequently. Can't seem to get it right. That being said, I think the current version is fine.
 
That's not bashing. That's just stating the fact.
Without the extra emji at the end perhaps that would be, with that emji, it's certainly more than that. What do you know, emojis actually do matter and make a difference after all.
 
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Without the extra emji at the end perhaps that would be, with that emji, it's certainly more than that. What do you know, emojis actually do matter and make a difference after all.
Lol. Didn't know people took emojis that seriously.
 
Lol. Didn't know people took emojis that seriously.
Clearly they bring meaning to something, otherwise they wouldn't really be used, right? It's so much about the "seriousness" of them, but it is about the meaning that they add.
 
Clearly they bring meaning to something, otherwise they wouldn't really be used, right? It's so much about the "seriousness" of them, but it is about the meaning that they add.
Well I was just pointing out that it was a blatant copy and that's why the eye roll emoji. How's that bashing is beyond me.
 
Well I was just pointing out that it was a blatant copy and that's why the eye roll emoji. How's that bashing is beyond me.
Certainly the statement was implied in a critical manner, rather than just a statement of fact without anything more to it. So, perhaps it was't "bashing" per se, it was certainly closer on the spectrum to that than it would be to something even just plain neutral (like just stating a fact).
 
I save all my photos into an iCloud shared album. That way I can delete them off my phone and have all my photos in the cloud. You think this feature will include the shared albums as well?
 
Will the new iOS version have smart folders that can be synced with the desktop app? I would have thought that to be an easy edition for developers to make.
 
That's exactly the type of functionality I favor, a well. My concern is that tech providers will increasingly try to organize our lives. It's rather creepy at some level. It's as if they are saying "No, we know better. We know how you REALLY need to organize your photos."

While that's a valid way of looking at things, it's not the only way. Some people would never want a Downton Abbey-style household staff, no matter how rich they imagine they might someday be - way too creepy to have all those people witnessing your life. Others want to have the assistance, and are willing to expose themselves a bit (or a lot), delegate tasks, etc.

Specific to photo libraries... some people are really into creating their own albums, slideshows, etc. Others just keep taking photos and never get around to doing something with them. For the latter, this could be super - the results are not likely to be what they would have created themselves, but since they never create it... anything beats nothing just about any day of the week. When they show up at Aunt Sally's house for a visit, they'll have a reasonable well-edited presentation to show off, instead of flipping through every bad image taken at the Twins' birthday. If it works anywhere near as well as the demos, a fair number of people are going to love this.

When you say "tech providers will increasingly try to organize our lives," well, yeah! That's fundamental to computing - handing off mundane tasks to the machine, so we don't have to spend time doing things we probably wouldn't have spent time doing in the first place. This is about personal computing - doing things that people find useful to their daily lives. If people don't find these things useful, then the company fails.

This kind of personalization requires trust, so it is a matter of who can earn that trust. There's not going to be universal agreement on who is or is not to be trusted with this. Maybe you trust nobody but yourself, so you'll do without this kind of assistance altogether (or do without). That's your choice.

I can't think of a step in the history of technology, perhaps going as far back as the development of agriculture, perhaps even farther back than that, when people weren't leery of or resistant to change. It's a necessary counterbalance to unbridled change. But change will occur, and considering how disorganized most of our lives are, how long our list of to-do items (even though we rarely put them on to-do lists), how easily distracted some of us are; I don't see the trend towards "organizing our lives" ending anytime soon - far too many people want it and need it.
 
Usually the best thing about features like this is that it syncs across the cloud (like photos already do), but alas Apple must pursue this stupid over the top view of privacy they have. I wish they would just allow these new features to be iCloud enabled if we wanted.
 
Usually the best thing about features like this is that it syncs across the cloud (like photos already do), but alas Apple must pursue this stupid over the top view of privacy they have. I wish they would just allow these new features to be iCloud enabled if we wanted.

I'm not sure that privacy is all that's preventing this. I think this also has a bit to do with management of server resources and bandwidth - why not take advantage of local, distributed processing when the resources are available?

Also, if the capability is to be available at iCloud.com, then browser-based code has to be written to support it. These are effectively slideshows, and iCloud.com currently doesn't do slideshows. There's no evidence that this capability to produce these will be part of Photos for Sierra, either.

So I suspect a strategy of, "Let's see how this flies on iOS, and if it's a big winner, we can roll it out to the other platforms with great fanfare."

"Privacy" has to do with avoiding the use of server-side processing that requires access to personal information (contacts, location, etc.). The end results of that processing (the slideshow edit list) can be anonymized, so the sharing of local-device-produced, play-only slideshows would seem relatively benign. I expect the short-term strategy will be to Share the slideshows to Shared Albums.

I also think the slideshows aren't as big a security/privacy/resources issue as Faces functionality. The slideshows depend upon having good Faces (and Places) data - producing the slide shows likely requires far less system overhead. Again, Faces processing is best done locally, and any Faces data that finds its way into the cloud needs to be anonymized in some way.
 
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