Selling Mac Pro, gotta clone OS drive

DRII

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Im selling my Mac Pro and have to clone the OS drive. The buyer wants Lion, so I figured I would clone the drive, and do a fresh install and download Lion. What's the best program to use for this? I do pro audio, and have plugin license and programs I need cloned to my new drive. Im actually thinking about just removing my drive with all my stuff, put in a new drive, and download Lion to that. Thanks.
 

philipma1957

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Im selling my Mac Pro and have to clone the OS drive. The buyer wants Lion, so I figured I would clone the drive, and do a fresh install and download Lion. What's the best program to use for this? I do pro audio, and have plugin license and programs I need cloned to my new drive. Im actually thinking about just removing my drive with all my stuff, put in a new drive, and download Lion to that. Thanks.
technically if the machine did not come with lion and you download lion you can't sell it.
 

DRII

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technically if the machine did not come with lion and you download lion you can't sell it.
So if I pay for Lion, download it to my computer to replace Snow Leopard and then sell my computer, i just broke an apple law?
 

DRII

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I understand. That sucks. Would you guys recommend I buy a new hard drive, replace my old one with that, than install Snow Leopard and sell the MP that way?
 

DRII

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That works, but I'd clone to the new HD and install SL on the old one.
Snow Leopard is on the old one. If I bought a new HD, I wouldn't have to clone. I could just remove my drive with all my contents, insert new HD, install SL from DVD, and done!???
 

philipma1957

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So if I pay for Lion, download it to my computer to replace Snow Leopard and then sell my computer, i just broke an apple law?
YES. WHAT you can do is sell it with snow and give him 30 bucks.

you have to download lion on your own app store account. so if you give him 30 bucks and tell him to open an account with apple store he can download it on his own account.

as far as getting busted for doing it i have not heard that apple is going after people. the main problem is once the machine goes to the new owner with a download lion it is registered to the old owners account. if the osx crashes the new owner can't recover via the net. if he trys apple app store will say what is your account name and password. he would need to know your account name and password to recover.
 

YosemiteSam

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Just another person vouching for the ease and effectiveness of CCC. Terrific utility, as mentioned by previous posters.

And I'm sorry to be the "grumpy old-fashioned guy", but this is just another reason why the download-only OS upgrade/install model sucks. If Lion had been bought/shipped on optical disks like previous versions, the OP's situation would be a non-issue.

Humbug!
 

minifridge1138

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There's really no way for Apple to know how Lion got installed on a Mac.

They can look at your App Store account and see if you bought Lion, but you can also buy a USB thumb drive to install Lion. That wouldn't show up in the App Store Account. Apple will still help you recover.

Installing Lion does not link the computer and OS to your account.

Sort of off-topic, but not really.
If you have 3 machines running Snow Leopard, and buy and install Lion from the App Store, then you can't buy it again for the other 2 macs. You could go to the App store, but it wouldn't let you buy it again. It would let you download it again.

The easiest solution is pull the old drive, and install fresh on a new one. If you want to keep the new drive for yourself and sell the old one, clone the old to the new and then do a fresh install. Carbon Copy Cloner is awesome. I use it a lot and never had a problem (even on a G3 iMac).
 

gglockner

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I use both CCC and SuperDuper. SuperDuper is much easier if you haven't used it before, but CCC has a few more features. As for the Lion question, IANAL but I believe that you cannot legally sell the Mac with your copy of Lion.
 

minifridge1138

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At worst, it would be a violation of the EULA. That is not a legally binding contract. At most, if you violate your end of the agreement, then the manufacturer does not have to uphold their end (which is usually the warranty and perhaps access to online services).

Technically, that same agreement says you can't sell the computer unless you provide all of the original install discs that came with it. It's also the agreement that says you can't jailbreak your phone. But people do, and the courts (so far) have said that is legal.

The goal here is to prevent software piracy. In the old days it was easy: just provide the install disk when you sold the computer.

I think you have 6 options (lets assume you save your old drive):
1) Sell it without a hard drive. Tell your buyer he is on his own to get a hard drive and the OS.
2) Sell it with a blank hard drive. Tell your buyer he is on his own to get the OS.
3) Install a hard drive, install whatever came with the Mac. Tell the buyer he is on his own to get Lion.
4) Install a hard drive. Buy the Lion USB installer for $69 here: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD256. Nobody violates anything.
5) Install a hard drive. Install Snow Leopard (or whatever) and hand the guy $29 so he can get Lion from the App Store. Nobody violates anything.
6) Throw caution to the wind. Install a hard drive, install Lion from your account. One or both of you are violating the EULA (You sold it with Lion, he has an OS he didn't pay for).

Pick the one that you are comfortable with. I'd probably go with (3) or (5).
 
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