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Selling Old iPhone - Scammed on eBay

8CoreWhore said:
eBay and PayPal is effin horrible. Use CraigsList.:mad:
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Agreed. The fees that eBay and Paypal charge are crappy. I will always try to sell something on Craigslist first and only use eBay as a last resort. The only problem is Craigslist is all of the scammers out there that want to to ship to their "son" in Nigeria. I started jerking their chains for the heck of it.:D
 
Gjamm00 said:
I hate selling things on eBay. Sold the old phone back in the day...the buyer used it for 3 weeks and then complained to eBay that it was defective because it stopped working and I had sold it to him knowing that it was defective. Damn eBay made me take the item back and refunded his money after that POS used it for 3 weeks. Turns out he dropped the phone and had damaged it, but since he was an older user and had more feedback, eBay sided with his story. :mad:
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After getting screwed by a buyer on eBay once, I always put "AS IS" in all of my auctions.
 
TB07-NJ said:
That means absolutely nothing to eBay. If you say the item works and is in good condition and it isn't, as-is is meaningless.
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even AS-IS, NO RETURNS doesn't do anything, other than lower the bids that may be coming into you...


There is no hope for Ebay anymore... it's just full of scammers and scams. I had problems selling my 3G last fall, where the buyer tried to scam me, but at the moment the money hit paypal, I withdrew it, severed all links to my CC and sat back and watched. If I hadn't done that, Paypal would have just removed the money, given it back to the buyer, and I would have been out the money and the phone. The way it worked out is Paypal put a negative balance on my account and locked it, which was no big deal. Once the guy got the idea that his scam wasn't working, the paypal claim expired and everything was back to normal.

I kinda felt my move was D@#$ish, but these scams are all too common, and the honest sellers get hosed every day.... well, not this time.
 
Always package the goods at the store, while recording a video of you packaging and giving it to the fedex/ups employee for shipping.
 
The same exact scam is happening to me right now! I sold my original iPhone to a buyer in Russia, and he's pulling the "the box was empty" bit! I'm so pissed and will fight this as long as i can!
 
I have also become disillusioned with ebay and paypal after 10 years.

I sold something recently and as per usual immediately withdrew the money from Paypal, however the seller has since opened a dispute and im in a negative balance on my paypal account. Paypal are two weeks late settling the dispute and it is still ongoing however I am fearing the worse.

What happens with my negative balance? Unfortunately due to fraud (that was actually not fraud but my valid transactions) my credit card has been stopped hence I dont believe they can take any money if they side with the buyer???????

I guess it means if I lose my case I will just not use Paypal again as I will have a negative balance to pay off?? How does this work?

Also during my dispute I ran out of characters on the online form hence could not clearly state all the facts, I mean why limit you on a dispute!!!!!
 
eBay is now the home of friendly frauders - things have really changed on that site. I'm a Top Rated Seller there at the moment, so you can imagine I have some experience with this situation... WEEKLY!

Very few people that are really into eBay only have 1 account - ebay rules allow you to have as many accounts as you like. So guys make an account, rack it up with some sales, get their greens up, often from trading with themselves :rolleyes: and then will go and chargeback a high value item and it really does look legit.

It's a long term strategy for these guys - you see guys on some particular ebay powerseller forums claiming to have around 100 accounts at the same time, but 10 to 20 is normal for many.

You really have to have your head screwed on before you make high risk sales now.
 
JoJoCal19 said:
That is exactly the reason that when I go to sell the iPhone 4 next year I will only be accepting cashiers check or money order as a form of payment. I've sold my Tour and Droid on eBay but I've been lucky to get good Americans as buyers. My items were always 100% described with go, od photos.
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I worked for a large regional bank for 5 years. Please trust me on this one: Cashier's Checks and/or Money Orders are, or can be, essentially worthless pieces of paper. They can, and increasingly are, easily counterfeited and because of how they are processed through the banking system, if you receive a counterfeit cashier's check or money order and deposit it in your bank account, even if your bank places a "hold" on it and that hold is released after 5 (or 7) business days, it can take anywhere up to an additional 14 days before you learn the sad truth that it was, indeed, fraudulent.

Some banks will, as a courtesy to you, call the bank upon which the cashier's check is (supposedly) drawn, and may, depending upon the issuing bank's policy, be able to determine if the check (or Money Order) in question is: (A) legitimate and/or (B) issued for the amount of $$$ shown on the document. But not all banks will make that call and many banks will not divulge such information to you or even another financial institution.

So, my advice would be: DO NOT accept cashier's checks and/or Money Orders as payment unless you can and will hold the item in question for a minimum of 21 days from deposit before shipping the item. And I doubt many buyers will go along with that demand.
 
You can't even ask for Money Orders or Cashiers Checks as a form of payment on Ebay anymore. Haven't been able to for quite a while.
 
UneElle said:
I worked for a large regional bank for 5 years. Please trust me on this one: Cashier's Checks and/or Money Orders are, or can be, essentially worthless pieces of paper. They can, and increasingly are, easily counterfeited and because of how they are processed through the banking system, if you receive a counterfeit cashier's check or money order and deposit it in your bank account, even if your bank places a "hold" on it and that hold is released after 5 (or 7) business days, it can take anywhere up to an additional 14 days before you learn the sad truth that it was, indeed, fraudulent.

Some banks will, as a courtesy to you, call the bank upon which the cashier's check is (supposedly) drawn, and may, depending upon the issuing bank's policy, be able to determine if the check (or Money Order) in question is: (A) legitimate and/or (B) issued for the amount of $$$ shown on the document. But not all banks will make that call and many banks will not divulge such information to you or even another financial institution.

So, my advice would be: DO NOT accept cashier's checks and/or Money Orders as payment unless you can and will hold the item in question for a minimum of 21 days from deposit before shipping the item. And I doubt many buyers will go along with that demand.
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Thanks for the advice!

I guess that's that. Craigslist it is. Cash talks, ********* walks. I've been lucky selling my Tour and Droid but then really they were less than $200 and I doubt people want to go through the effort of scamming those phones as compared to the iPhone. Scamming seems to be really rampant with the iPhone and I don't want any part of that. Besides the fact I hate waiting days or even weeks for money to hit my account after my property has left my hands.
 
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