You are a so uninformed you look so silly.
No Such Agency already strong armed cell providers to hack their servers do they had track ANY cell phone, it's easier that way.
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Senator Sends Letter to Tim Cook Over Touch ID Privacy Concerns
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You are a so uninformed you look so silly.
No Such Agency already strong armed cell providers to hack their servers do they had track ANY cell phone, it's easier that way.
I made it clear that I was referring to original post alluding that the technology is able to scan your fingers... not physically accessing and fingerprinting the device.
Did you actually read my posts? I made that abundantly clear.
No ***** that if you touch your phone and they physically get hold of it that they can get your fingerprints. That is a completely different argument altogether. They can also get fingerprints from anything else I touch. Duh!
Where does Apple says the Secure Enclave belongs to the NSA?
The only thing I can find in the Apple webpage is the following:
I think it is very explicit when it says there is NO way Apple (or anyone else) can get your fingerprint from your phone.
Then again... what's the big problem if the NSA gets your fingerprints? Either you made something wrong and they are trying to get you, or they have zero use for having your fingerprints.
Privacy, IMO, is overrated. The only kind of privacy I want is being able to take a **** in my house without anyone seeing me. I don't care if the government listens to me on the phone while talking to my family. I don't care if they listen to me talking business, it's not like they are going to the news to publish my business strategy. If it is for the public security of a country, it's OK with me.
This technologies, like Touch ID, make it extremely difficult (if not impossible) for thieves to get your personal information. That's what worries me more in terms of privacy. Not the NSA, or the CIA, FBI, etc.
Just my $0.02.
haha, I think he was more referring to the fact you could lift a print off the glass using powder and tape or old school methods. if not, i'm sure you could stalk the dude for 10 minutes and lift it off some other object they touched.
You're not really getting me. I didn't say the phone doesn't have fingerprints on it, I said the phone had no way of detecting your prints short of Steve Cook dusting your phone.
To be sure, Apple has publicly stated they are not collecting fingerprint data: "Touch ID does not store any images of your fingerprint. It stores only a mathematical representation of your fingerprint. It isn't possible for your actual fingerprint image to be reverse-engineered from this mathematical representation" ...."your fingerprint data is never accessed by iOS or other apps, never stored on Apple servers, and never backed up to iCloud or anywhere else. Only Touch ID uses it and it can't be used to match against other fingerprint databases".
Unlike Apple, Google is in the information business mostly, and their reputation to safeguard customer data is not as untarnished in a lot of people's minds, as Apple's. It comes with the territory. Even reasonably minded Apple-haters and/or Google-afficionados will grant that. And that's probably an understatement. See also Jackie's post below.
I agree with you and I don't care if my fingerprint is collected or not... Someone pointed out that fingerprint sensors on laptops are located on the side, whereas the ones on the iPhone is built into the home button so you would have to click on it regardless of whether you want to use it or not.
Fair enough, but I was responding to your follow-up to what I judged to be a tongue-in-cheek statement by repoman27 that indirectly addressed your original post.
The public statement on the matter, made by Apple certainly put my mind at ease: "Touch ID does not store any images of your fingerprint. It stores only a mathematical representation of your fingerprint. It isn't possible for your actual fingerprint image to be reverse-engineered from this mathematical representation".
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What a dumbass,
Seriously does he think any finger print ID tech 'stores' the fingerprints? Duh
Even people who watch CSI know better it will only store identifying characteristics not a SCAN or picture. There is nothing you can do with this data at all ever, he's a moron!
Apple is one of the better companies coming from a reputation of trying it's hardest to avoid privacy leaks and over zealous government data requests.
And in any eventuality what kind of need would there be to crack this tech? I mean if i want a finger print off someone you can get it pretty easy from a glass or anything they contact pretty much. It's like internet keys, it's only useful to the person unlocking the device.
The ID is not being used yet for anything much more than a convenient replacement to a passcode. Hell we pay with four digit pin codes that are hardly very secure at all!!!! It makes sense to actually adopt this for most passcode situations.
If someone wants your data, the government and him should know that they do the illegal side of things best and cover it up. Who do you trust politicians with personal gain and power or a company that don't want any reason for you to be concerned about privacy breach.
Do not trust a politician ever.
Seriously does he think any finger print ID tech 'stores' the fingerprints? Duh
Even people who watch CSI know better it will only store identifying characteristics not a SCAN or picture. There is nothing you can do with this data at all ever, he's a moron!
Apple is one of the better companies coming from a reputation of trying it's hardest to avoid privacy leaks and over zealous government data requests.
And in any eventuality what kind of need would there be to crack this tech? I mean if i want a finger print off someone you can get it pretty easy from a glass or anything they contact pretty much. It's like internet keys, it's only useful to the person unlocking the device.
The ID is not being used yet for anything much more than a convenient replacement to a passcode. Hell we pay with four digit pin codes that are hardly very secure at all!!!! It makes sense to actually adopt this for most passcode situations.
If someone wants your data, the government and him should know that they do the illegal side of things best and cover it up. Who do you trust politicians with personal gain and power or a company that don't want any reason for you to be concerned about privacy breach.
Do not trust a politician ever.
The privacy concern is not about fingerprints. Unless you wear gloves all the time, you are leaving fingerprints everywhere, all the time.
The concern is about corporations and government logging and saving everything you do on the Internet and in the real world. Sometimes all they save is the metadata, such as who you called or texted, our what time you drove past a camera that could read your license plate, and sometimes they save the content of your conversations or emails. They do this to everyone, even people who don't think they are important.
As we become more and more digital, the trails we leave behind will become more numerous. We need laws limiting what the companies and government can do with that data. Would you like to get a ticket every time you exceed the speed limit? It could be done automatically, and you really did break the law, so you'll deserve it, you lawbreaker, you.
In the past, some of these automatic tickets (like red light cameras) have been challenged on the basis that they don't know if it is you behind the wheel. But if your car has a fingerprint reader so it only starts when you touch it (a nice feature that will dissuade carjacking), then they do know it was you. If you make a phone call while you are in the car, they know it was you. They might even have a voice print to use against you in court if you decide to challenge the ticket. And you don't even need to be an enemy of the state to be a target. Just an ordinary person with a cell phone and a car.
The concern is about corporations and government logging and saving everything you do on the Internet and in the real world. Sometimes all they save is the metadata, such as who you called or texted, our what time you drove past a camera that could read your license plate, and sometimes they save the content of your conversations or emails. They do this to everyone, even people who don't think they are important.
As we become more and more digital, the trails we leave behind will become more numerous. We need laws limiting what the companies and government can do with that data. Would you like to get a ticket every time you exceed the speed limit? It could be done automatically, and you really did break the law, so you'll deserve it, you lawbreaker, you.
In the past, some of these automatic tickets (like red light cameras) have been challenged on the basis that they don't know if it is you behind the wheel. But if your car has a fingerprint reader so it only starts when you touch it (a nice feature that will dissuade carjacking), then they do know it was you. If you make a phone call while you are in the car, they know it was you. They might even have a voice print to use against you in court if you decide to challenge the ticket. And you don't even need to be an enemy of the state to be a target. Just an ordinary person with a cell phone and a car.
No, YOU originally replied not true to -
Originally Posted by repoman27
I'm pretty sure that if you have physical access to a touchscreen device, there are ways to get the owner's fingerprint data—even if the device lacks a fingerprint scanner.
Not true. IS WHAT YOU SAID !
What he was saying was that if they had your phone, they can get your prints.
You said "NOT TRUE". Which actually is true. Had nothing to do with the screen or its capabilities.
+1 That makes a whole lot of sense. After the NSA and Prism exposures, more worrisome scenarios to contemplate.
Many ordinary citizens have simply lost faith in their government.
Legitimate concerns are always welcome of course, but political posturing --even the perception thereof-- makes cynics of ordinary citizens.
Well, there is Bachman.... lol - Name one that hasn't? And if you bring up Wellstone I'm gonna scream.
I, personally, do not care what assurances Apple gives. I do not trust this device with finger prints. I will not use it. Yes, tin foil hat but in this day and age it is fully warranted IMO.
I do not need or want the "convenience" of using my finger print for security. I will continue to use a passcode thanks.
I do not need or want the "convenience" of using my finger print for security. I will continue to use a passcode thanks.
Reagan is one of the most beloved Republican presidents EVER, for some reason I can't fathom. But my point is that what profession he did before doesn't matter. If Franken is smart, which he apparently is, and cares about his constituents, which apparently he does, then who cares what he did before.
... And according to the movies, it won't work unless the tin foil hat is shaped like a Hershey's Kiss®
I just make sure I'm always naked in front of my computer, that'll keep em from watching for very long. LOL
I'm a big Al Franken fan, but this is either being ginned up a little bit more than it really is or he's really trying to make a name for himself about this. We had hand scanners in college that worked with our student IDs. That was 15 years ago.
I personally want to know the fingerprint data is secure, but it sounds like Apple has gone above and beyond to make this as secure as possible without the massive beta test that is the 5S going on sale.
I personally want to know the fingerprint data is secure, but it sounds like Apple has gone above and beyond to make this as secure as possible without the massive beta test that is the 5S going on sale.
Agreed. She's a nut job. Then again, an ex professional wrestler was voted in as Governor a few years back after a short stint as mayor in one of our suburbs. Our track record sucks.
Apple "has made clear"... yeah, so, we must just believe them and shut up?
Not really. It wouldn't be the first time Apple lies (or at least shows its incompetence) about this (Messages). Plus, due to the NSA scandal, they are highly motivated to do so, so don't take their word so blindly. Any "mathematical representation" or model of your fingerprint can (and will be) stored and reverse engineered: its just a matter of time.
It's incredibly naive (not to say stupid) for anyone to think that anything you put into your phone, and the internet for all that matters, has any level of privacy, regardless of what Apple, Google, Facebook or whoever says so to save face. Stealing our information, and making a profit out of it, is part of their business model. Don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise. And remember: this discussion is just getting started.
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Franken is a complete idiot, and, like Jesse Ventura, is nothing but an embarrassment to any intelligent voter in Minnesota. He's the guy who has been attempting for years to promote card check and eliminate the secret ballot in union voting -- and how democratic is that? His letter to Apple, like mentioned upthread, amounts to nothing more than a pathetic attempt to showcase himself in front of Minnesota citizens who don't know any better.