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Meh. I hate the idea of music subscriptions... I want to OWN all of my music, not rent it. I know I'd have to choice, but I don't want to see Apple give credence to the subscribe-and-forget-to-pay-and-your-music's-gone madness.

OTOH, a movie or TV show subscription a la Netflix would be amazing.

I also think Apple should make an agreement with satellite/cable companies to provide a discount on the iTunes Store to download shows you already have access to on your TV. Also, they need to partner with the networks to provide live streaming services for sports, local news, etc.

So, subscription services are great for some things, but I don't think the model scales well for music.

Now, I'm my 32GB iPod touch is getting here later this week (I didn't engrave it so I could sell it when they announce the new ones... :D), and I'm a MobileMe subscriber. I think that iPhone/iPod touch iDisk access is a wonderful idea. I agree with some of the previous posters; something like this would make me actually use my iDisk.

I think those of you who are so "against subscriptions" perhaps aren't realizing some benefits with a subscriptions service that you *can't* do with your bought music. For example: sharing music.

I think Apple is thinking *very* long term here on how to stay number one. Right now, the financial idiots, excuse me, analysts think only in terms of Wal-Mart, Target, and Best Buy. I think, long term, Apple looks at places like LastFM, iMeem, MySpace as their potential future competitors. You might poo poo a subscription service, but you can't put up your music library on the web and have people listen to your music (legally, unless you get agreements for the various recording studioes). With subscription music, YOU CAN. Think about the uproar when Apple disabled the ability (through bonjour) share your entire music library over the internets. With subscription music, you'll be able to do this legally.

Apple is looking to be king of media, but their weakness (the little it is) is in the social aspects of music. This aspect is not there right now in iTunes beyond your local area network. Think about that for a second. The closest thing to sharing music on iTunes is creating a playlist in the iTunes store, but guess what, if your friend wants to listen to that playlist, he/she has to buy the entire playlist. Again, with subscription music, the "purchase" mentality is no longer there. He/she (as long as they are a subscriber) can immediately listen to the playlist.

Again, I think those of you who are "poo poo-ing" subscriptions are only thinking about the "ownership issue." I *completely* understand this. I'm a big proponent of owning the music you buy, and *hugely* against DRM (if you do a search on my username, you can see all the posts that prove this). However, when I started thinking about the types of things that you *lose* when you own the music, that's when I understood why subscription music has a lot of potential.

You see it right now. Sure, iTunes music store is number one. Sure, Rhapsody/MySpace/etc. don't even hold a candle to the numbers that Apple does. However, the users who use these service are *intensely loyal* to these services. They *love* it. Yes, these music files on subscription services hold a TON of DRM. Yes, they're only renting the music. However, in some ways, there is a lot more that they can do *with* the music. I think this is the angle that those who are "against subscription music" are missing.

Ultimately, I prefer owning my own music, but imho the best services give their customer the "feeling" of choices and flexibility. Apple, with subscription music, could potential completely own the market even more so than the way they dominate right now.

w00master
 
Too expensive. I won't pay $99 - $129 a year for that if I have to purchase the music to keep it.

Then you should spend more time doing the math of other subscription services. Napter is or was charging $15.00/month unlimited and NO ownership of songs. That's $180.00 annually. iTunes expensive huh????
 
US only launch is good plan. Thoigh Apple has said it doesn't seem to want to have a "unlimited" subscription iTunes option

whaty they say and what they do are 2 difreernt things. They said they will never run intel. Never support microsoft or even windows. Look now. Of course macworld 2007 a riot went on because of what steve jobs wanted to do. now all of those who were upset are now happy. go figure. If I was there, I would be phrasing jobs. That was the only way to get apple back up on its feet.
 
I think those of you who are so "against subscriptions" perhaps aren't realizing some benefits with a subscriptions service that you *can't* do with your bought music. For example: sharing music.

I think Apple is thinking *very* long term here on how to stay number one. Right now, the financial idiots, excuse me, analysts think only in terms of Wal-Mart, Target, and Best Buy. I think, long term, Apple looks at places like LastFM, iMeem, MySpace as their potential future competitors. You might poo poo a subscription service, but you can't put up your music library on the web and have people listen to your music (legally, unless you get agreements for the various recording studioes). With subscription music, YOU CAN. Think about the uproar when Apple disabled the ability (through bonjour) share your entire music library over the internets. With subscription music, you'll be able to do this legally.

Apple is looking to be king of media, but their weakness (the little it is) is in the social aspects of music. This aspect is not there right now in iTunes beyond your local area network. Think about that for a second. The closest thing to sharing music on iTunes is creating a playlist in the iTunes store, but guess what, if your friend wants to listen to that playlist, he/she has to buy the entire playlist. Again, with subscription music, the "purchase" mentality is no longer there. He/she (as long as they are a subscriber) can immediately listen to the playlist.

Again, I think those of you who are "poo poo-ing" subscriptions are only thinking about the "ownership issue." I *completely* understand this. I'm a big proponent of owning the music you buy, and *hugely* against DRM (if you do a search on my username, you can see all the posts that prove this). However, when I started thinking about the types of things that you *lose* when you own the music, that's when I understood why subscription music has a lot of potential.

You see it right now. Sure, iTunes music store is number one. Sure, Rhapsody/MySpace/etc. don't even hold a candle to the numbers that Apple does. However, the users who use these service are *intensely loyal* to these services. They *love* it. Yes, these music files on subscription services hold a TON of DRM. Yes, they're only renting the music. However, in some ways, there is a lot more that they can do *with* the music. I think this is the angle that those who are "against subscription music" are missing.

Ultimately, I prefer owning my own music, but imho the best services give their customer the "feeling" of choices and flexibility. Apple, with subscription music, could potential completely own the market even more so than the way they dominate right now.

w00master

The last time I was on campus (last week) I was able to see many peoples entire iTunes libraries and listen to them via bonjour. As far as "owning" the music, you never have owned it, ever. The same way with software. You are paying for the right to USE it. You do not OWN your copy of Leopard, or Windows, or Office. Read the EULA. Recall grade school; and "don't copy that floppy" nonsense they had use watch. One of the points was that you do not own the software you are using, you are simply paying a fee to use it on your own computer. Nothing has changed.
 
...You might poo poo a subscription service, but you can't put up your music library on the web and have people listen to your music (legally, unless you get agreements for the various recording studioes). With subscription music, YOU CAN. Think about the uproar when Apple disabled the ability (through bonjour) share your entire music library over the internets. With subscription music, you'll be able to do this legally.
w00master


I'm willing to bet the music companies will poo poo and say this is illegal. Still, might do it for a year and find some way (can't imagine how) to capture the audio for all the songs I want but haven't bought yet. Do this with a group of friends and watch the cost come down.

Hmmm, if I think of doing this wonder how many other teenagers will do this?
 
Am I the only one who thinks "renting" music is the worst idea ever?

What happens with all that music you love and want to keep? You will need to "rent/get" over and over again.

I would do this in a heartbeat if I can "get" music for as long as i choose to keep the file ... even if I stop paying the devil (RIAA) to keep him at bay.
 
US only launch is good plan. Thoigh Apple has said it doesn't seem to want to have a "unlimited" subscription iTunes option

How is that a good plan? I live in The Netherlands and I know it's only a small country, but it's quite annoying that we are still waiting for iTunes movie rentals and series. I know that rights issues are probably the cause for this, but we are just not anywhere near the top or even the middle of Apple's priority list.
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Sounds a bit too formal..... doesnt really have that "rumor" charecters...

But still.... Id be interested to see what all formats are added in the iPhone Firmware.....

iTMS Unlimited sounds great! (too great to be true?:confused:)
 
...In its stead, it adopted capitalism as a culture, and has since flooded the world with money-making superficial garbage like EA Sports, Microsoft Windows, and 'The Mummy'...

If I recall correctly, the rest of the world is eating this 'crap' up, so maybe blame lies with several parties. The US has this thing about personal responsibility... I know, crazy, right? If you don't like something, don't consume it; if someone else likes it, and they want to consume it, good for them. It isn't our place to get in their way. That being said, I find the culture of consumerism (which is rampant in more than just the US) to be unhealthy. But, as I said, that isn't my call to make.

In short, EU antitrust SOs are in the interests of Europeans, which is what they're there for. Americans aren't used to speaking out and having their quality of life recognised as an issue. Maybe Obama will change it, maybe it's just too big a problem to fix. In any case, you should get used to corporations getting exploitative practices stopped. If anything really does change, you're going to be seeing them on a daily basis.

Last time I checked, the people of the US are constantly voicing their opinions. And I would argue that our 'low quality of life' isn't low, just different. I have no interest in living a 'European' lifestyle, as I'm sure you have no interest in living an 'American' lifestyle. Regarding the Universal Healthcare comment, I don't think that our government doesn't recognize the importance of it, just that it isn't feasible right now. The US, like many countries are in debt; there are probably things we need to work on first before we increase our debt.

Sorry to add to the off topic-ness. Cultural observations aside, I really hope to see the iPhone/iPod touch-Mobile Me integration go forward. With an ever present connection to the internet, why not?
 
No iTunes 8? :mad:

Do we have to wait until MWSF 2009 (or even later :eek:) for it? Maybe it'll come with the mini-tablet.

I had a suspicion we'd have to wait until 7.9 before we'd get 8…

What do you want from 8? The only feature that I want isn't going to happen.

For the curious, I was (a year ago) hoping for the ability to rip movies from MMC (such as HD DVD) disks.
 
Not too into the renting music thing, but renting movies I would. I hope they do it for movies and a movie only subscription.
 
Does anyone know, when this event will take place?

No, Apple generally doesn't send out invites to the media until 7-10 days beforehand, and they haven't come out yet. If there in fact will be a September event.
 
Do you doubt it? Why?

A lot of their products are stale, so we should be expecting a bunch of new releases. There appears to be enough to introduce that a special event would be justified instead of a silent refresh...especially if there are new form factors. But when will it happen? September? October? Probably, but until Apple sends out the invites or we get solid confirmation they're coming, it's all speculation.
 
A lot of their products are stale, so we should be expecting a bunch of new releases. There appears to be enough to introduce that a special event would be justified instead of a silent refresh...especially if there are new form factors. But when will it happen? September? October? Probably, but until Apple sends out the invites or we get solid confirmation they're coming, it's all speculation.

I really wonder what Apple's cooking in its labs! Its generally unlike Apple to keep products un-upgraded for so long! Any guess what the "new cutting edge technology" that Cook talked about might be?
 
wouldnt a MBP be in the same catergory. I mean you included other macs.....

doesnt matter, I hope they do update the MBP and leave macworld for the exciting updates such as a digital DVR, blu-ray etc. THOSE are for macworld.

People need to stop drelling on the past and look towards the feature!

Macbook Pro is considered a Pro product, not a consumer based product.... Apple only makes A MAJOR announcement on Pro products on either the WWDC or Macworld Expo, not on September music month event, which is focused on more consumer product, such as Macbook, iMac, iPod, iPhone (falls into both Pro and consumer product) Mac mini, etc....

Meh. I hate the idea of music subscriptions... I want to OWN all of my music, not rent it. I know I'd have to choice, but I don't want to see Apple give credence to the subscribe-and-forget-to-pay-and-your-music's-gone madness.

OTOH, a movie or TV show subscription a la Netflix would be amazing.

I also think Apple should make an agreement with satellite/cable companies to provide a discount on the iTunes Store to download shows you already have access to on your TV. Also, they need to partner with the networks to provide live streaming services for sports, local news, etc.

So, subscription services are great for some things, but I don't think the model scales well for music.

Now, I'm my 32GB iPod touch is getting here later this week (I didn't engrave it so I could sell it when they announce the new ones... :D), and I'm a MobileMe subscriber. I think that iPhone/iPod touch iDisk access is a wonderful idea. I agree with some of the previous posters; something like this would make me actually use my iDisk.

Am I the only one who thinks "renting" music is the worst idea ever?

What happens with all that music you love and want to keep? You will need to "rent/get" over and over again.

I would do this in a heartbeat if I can "get" music for as long as i choose to keep the file ... even if I stop paying the devil (RIAA) to keep him at bay.


Like I said earlier, I think Apple would only do subscription based service modeled under Nokia's Comes with Music service, where user pays monthly fees to get the unlimited music, and if the user decides to end the service, user gets to keep the music forever...

Steve Jobs in the end, WANTS TO END DRM completely in music, if you haven't noticed.. (see Thoughts on Music)

I think the iTunes unlimited service would be free of charge for 1st year for new iPhone customers, and for existing customer, it's $19.99 with contract with at&t or iPod touch, even lower if you have Mobile Me....
 
Available through iTunes or retail box a la MobileMe,

if that turns out to be indeed true would it be for lets say europeans possible to just buy one of those boxes on ebay and use it on the US-Store jw

how about mobile me, does the US-MobileMe retail box currently work for europeans or whatever continent?

Yes you can, but in order to register online you need a valid US address and a US issued credit card.
 
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