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if an iphone user is smart enough to have an iphone and use email then he should take into consideration making special mms emails of all their old dated technology using friends so they can easily email them an mms.

Frankly im glad to see mms not included on the iphone. I hate it. Someone sends me an mms ill yell at em and remind them if they need to send me an mms just to email it to me via the outgoing box...it's very easy to do. When i get an MMS it's always sized down to the point of not making anything out...especially through the viewmymessage.com.

I'd rather take the extra step to remind my friends who feel they need to use such ancient forms of picture communications just to send the mms direct to my email. All phones can do that at least.

But ya know...we all know how it's going to work out...MMS gets implemented into a appstore app and then someone's just gunna move right along and bitch about copy paste or the OVERWHELMING LIFE OR DEATH NEED for vidoe conferencing on the fly in some remote ass location or on the subway.


I really get a kick out of you people that say that MMS is outdated, ancient, etc....blah blah..

Guess what, its easier, faster and more efficient to send pics thru MMS than through email.

I click snap photo, click menu send as mms and select my friends name from the contacts, boom sent. Takes 20 seconds from start to finish.

Email....yea not so quick and easy.
 
I really get a kick out of you people that say that MMS is outdated, ancient, etc....blah blah..

Guess what, its easier, faster and more efficient to send pics thru MMS than through email.

I click snap photo, click menu send as mms and select my friends name from the contacts, boom sent. Takes 20 seconds from start to finish.

Email....yea not so quick and easy.


nope just as easy

1. take pic
2. send as email
3. click on contact's cellphone's SMS email (every phone has it)
4. boom send
5. they receive mms

15 secs.
 
Wow, didn't expect to stir this up.

What I was honestly wondering was if it was a hard thing to do, add MMS capabilities to the phone. I understand people don't use it, but I know plenty of people that do use it. My cousin sent me a multimedia message the other day, he went fishing for the first time. He sent the same message to my sister, his brother and sister, his parents, some cousins, etc. So I get the message, and don't even bother until I get home to see it. Its annoying. He doesn't have email, so sending via MMS is the easiest way.

The iPhone doesn't support A2DP, is that something thats antiqued? Just because the iPhone doesn't have it, doesn't mean its a worthless feature.

All I was wondering was WHY its not there, if Apple had ever made an official announcement or something. I'm not looking to start an argument on whether its needed or not, just wanting to know Apple's side, thats it.
 
That's because you don't have the free Data Plan that you get with the purchase of an iPhone. The Point I'm making is that if you've got email you don't need MMS.
I think that's how most people react.

Free data plan??? I doubt here in Australia (as I keep saying) that will happen. If I could have a phone plan like I am using now and it also has free data I would rush out and get one, but Apple does not control what the phone companies here charge.

The point I'm making is email in some countries is expensive and so MMS is the more viable option.
 
being part of the rest of us tribe is like to be in a fence, you have
to convice someone else to have a cellphone with push mail to messaging multimedia.

also, you wont make videocalls to normal people with normal 3g phones.ehe
 
nope just as easy

1. take pic
2. send as email
3. click on contact's cellphone's SMS email (every phone has it)
4. boom send
5. they receive mms

15 secs.

Maybe on the iPhone but on every other phone and in general you must take picture, save it, go into email app/service, create new email, attach photo, type in address or select it from contact list then send it.

OH BUT WAIT!!!! It doesnt end there!
The other person cant get the picture right away, you just sent the picture to thier phones SMS email which deposits it in a special place that the person has to log into to see the pic. And they have to do that because the iPhone cant just send it as a regular MMS like every other phone!

Imagine that, a simple process is more difficult. I know Sprint and Verizon do have that SMS email youre talking about but you have to log into the website to view the pic.

MMS is EASIER. Face it.
 
I have a friend on Verizon who I want to send SMS to and their number is 1-815-867-5309, I would send a text message through email to 8158675309@VTEXT.com and for MMS I would send it to 8158675309@vzwpix.com

Don't you have a feeling, that doing this is just like trying to put a nail in the wall using a frog instead of a hammer?

BTW I personally don't give a flying frak about what "you have in the US". iPhone is an internationally marketed product. If US standards were so important, Apple would not sell 110v/240v power supplies, but stick to sole 110v instead. It's just because there's no business case in MMS for AT&T, so they've decided to save a few $$$ and suggest Apple not develop this functionality. Apple has blindly agreed (it cuts costs just like everybody else), since the R&D guys never speak to international marketing guys on company barbecues. However, the latter guys don't have any idea what actually is an MMS, since they don't understand French.

And by the way.. What do you do, if your friend is from another country? Does +1 make any difference when you send your emails/picmails/textmails/whatever from the phone? Cuz ya know, we here in Europe have like a lot of countries... Each of them having a different country code (yeah, really). And we have absolutely no idea which area code leads to which network, so even if we tried to send an email to +countrycode_areacode_mobilenumber@..., we'd ran out of ideas trying to determine what goes after the "@".

Emailing somebody from the phone... Nonsense. Not to mention that disclosing the email address associated with a phone number would quickly lead to massive amount of text message spam. The whole "MMS sucks" campaign is just funny, US have discovered text messaging a few years ago, we do it like 15 years... It's just the same with MMS, unpopular in the US, so let's get rid of them. Shortseeing.
 
(Seriously though... it is because Steve Jobs feels MMS is an antiquated and dying service. I will not go crazy looking for links, but I know he publicly stated this after the first iPhone release)

Nope, Jobs never said a thing about MMS, one way or the other.

It's just one of the many iPhone myths created by fans trying to explain why it doesn't have this or that feature.

Most likely, Jobs, being in his fifties with lots of assistants, doesn't use MMS, and so he's never pushed it to be programmed. I think he's oblivious to the whole topic. Or he's trying to come up with a way for Apple to make money off something akin to it.
 
nope just as easy

1. take pic
2. send as email
3. click on contact's cellphone's SMS email (every phone has it)
4. boom send
5. they receive mms

15 secs.

Correct up until step 5 for many users... which, arguably, is the most important one, no?
 
what on earth is wrong with the internet? post your picture on the computer or send it to the persons mail. BANG done! You get 2.4x faster on internet, why not use that instead? MMS will die no question, because using the internet is better! I am NOT dissapointed, and the GPS system is freakin amazing! The area that it ranges you in is small enough to not be a bother!
 
what on earth is wrong with the internet? post your picture on the computer or send it to the persons mail. BANG done! You get 2.4x faster on internet, why not use that instead? MMS will die no question, because using the internet is better! I am NOT dissapointed, and the GPS system is freakin amazing! The area that it ranges you in is small enough to not be a bother!

Try reading the posts above yours. MMS is useful because you don't have to piss about with funny addresses. It's point, click, send to contact, done.
 
what on earth is wrong with the internet? post your picture on the computer or send it to the persons mail. BANG done!

You obviously didn't bother to read the whole thread. So here's this thread compressed to a 15 seconds read, just for you:

MMS is useful, because everybody can receive it, and actually nobody uses email in their regular, non-iPhone, non-smartphone mobiles.

Got it?

MMS will die no question

Just because you say so?

because using the internet is better!

Aaah, because "internet is better"...
I have a secret to share with you. MMS does use the Internet for transmission... It is just so much faster and easier than email.
 
what on earth is wrong with the internet? post your picture on the computer or send it to the persons mail. BANG done! You get 2.4x faster on internet, why not use that instead?

Because if the other person is my Mum she doesn't have an email address or an internet connection. But she can get MMS.

MMS will die no question, because using the internet is better!

Funny, because on launch date people like you were saying the same thing. And in that year MMS has grown...

If (and the evidence is against it happening) MMS dies any time soon, it won't be in the lifetime of this device, so it's irrelevant. It's valid now, it's widely used NOW, and it needs to be in the device now.
 
I thought this was pretty obvious...

MMS will be in iPhone 3.0. That's always been Apple's strategy -- leave out some of the most basic features and introduce them later on. People go crazy when they come out too. Look how long it took to get mass text messaging. :)
 
No MMS was one of the best features of the iPhone and I'm glad they kept it. Email is much more practical. :)

Edit: I appreciate the frustration when someone *sends* you an MMS and you can't receive it, kinda like when everyone was still using floppy disks and all I had was a cd burner... :( ;)

I'm failing to see where the cd burner is in in your analogy on the iphone...more like everyones using floppy discs and yours didn't even come with a drive!!

people need to take off theirlick Steve Jobs ass glasses and look at reality, no mms and crap BT stack in inexcuseable imo and while there's idiots saying these things are ok as the man says so we'll still get sold short of products....
 
As I said, I understand the frustration when some uninformed person sends you an MMS and you can't receive it, but anyone who honestly thinks paying out the arse for MMS rather than a free, higher res email shouldn't get an iPhone.

The crippled bluetooth is a more valid complaint, but supposedly there will be ad-hoc wifi support for sending files soon? Still, a simple send/receive phone to phone via bluetooth would be nice.
 
MMS is very restricted, isn't it? Not every phone can display certain resolutions nor MMS above a specific size.

I think it is very complex to sent an MMS which will make it finally to the receptor.

I had to fiddle with my old Samsung D600 to get MMS to a D500. I don't want to imagine, how cumbersome it will be to make MMS work nicely with every phone out there.

That's not what "out of the box experience" is.

Good decision to leave MMS out.
 
As I said, I understand the frustration when some uninformed person sends you an MMS and you can't receive it, but anyone who honestly thinks paying out the arse for MMS rather than a free, higher res email shouldn't get an iPhone.

The crippled bluetooth is a more valid complaint, but supposedly there will be ad-hoc wifi support for sending files soon? Still, a simple send/receive phone to phone via bluetooth would be nice.

Maybe your pricing is different down under for mms but us pommes don't pay out the arse for it!! Just write the simple software put it in and if I want to use it I will that's all I want!!

Now your saying there pissing about with wifi ad hoc etc etc, just let my 'sophisticated' iphone talk to every other phone out there and exchange images etc!!
 
MMS is very restricted, isn't it? Not every phone can display certain resolutions nor MMS above a specific size.

I think it is very complex to sent an MMS which will make it finally to the receptor.

I had to fiddle with my old Samsung D600 to get MMS to a D500. I don't want to imagine, how cumbersome it will be to make MMS work nicely with every phone out there.

That's not what "out of the box experience" is.

Good decision to leave MMS out.

agreed. when you work in sending an mms from one different phone to another different phone and on top of that possibly another different provider/carrier who might have different rules for mms handling the end result is sometimes just a txt directing you to a website, nothing at all, or some garbled code.

i remember back in the day with my old 8800 series phone they would have premade pics you could send via sms to someone else.
Tried it 2 or 3 times
no one ever got the image it was garbled junk
Never wanted to bother and hassle with it ever again.
Maybe it's different in other countries but in the US I've moved past it.
 
MMS is very restricted, isn't it? Not every phone can display certain resolutions nor MMS above a specific size.

I think it is very complex to sent an MMS which will make it finally to the receptor.

I had to fiddle with my old Samsung D600 to get MMS to a D500. I don't want to imagine, how cumbersome it will be to make MMS work nicely with every phone out there.

That's not what "out of the box experience" is.

Good decision to leave MMS out.


No, its not very complex, its quite simple. Take photo, click send as MMS, select contact, sent. 20 seconds. And maybe back year and years ago there might have been issues but comeone buddy, today it just works, the same way SMS does.

And as far as the issue people raise about small size, you can view the photo as big as your phone will let you see. If I have gotten an image in MMS that I actually did want to look at bigger, I then just forwarded to my email for later viewing, but generally its fine on the phone.

Also to the poster above who posted about costing money to use MMS and rather use email. HELLO!!!! MCFLY! It costs more to use email on phones than it does MMS/SMS. Think about that statement for a minute. You can pay $15 for 1500 or $20 for unlimited text if you really need it. In order to use email to send pics you need data on any 3G (or EVDO if CDMA) network is going to cost $30 or more. Think about it, smartphones are the minority of the market share. The majority doesnt want to pay $30 for data to use email, so they get a $10 or $15 Texting plan and can SMS or MMS all they want. Why is email better than MMS again?
 
If anything, implementing MMS on iPhone will put and end to all these never ending threads.

Speaking as non-MMS user, iPhone should have MMS because let's face it: (1) every other phones in production have it, (2) I will be able to view incoming MMS without going to stupid website, and (3) some people just don't like using email (just as many people prefer SMS over IM or email).
 
No, its not very complex, its quite simple. Take photo, click send as MMS, select contact, sent. 20 seconds. And maybe back year and years ago there might have been issues but comeone buddy, today it just works, the same way SMS does.

And as far as the issue people raise about small size, you can view the photo as big as your phone will let you see. If I have gotten an image in MMS that I actually did want to look at bigger, I then just forwarded to my email for later viewing, but generally its fine on the phone.

Ever tried using an unlocked, unsupported (by your carrier) phone? At least on T-Mobile, they resize MMS images based on what phone it's being sent to -- that resizing doesn't happen on your phone itself, so you have no control. If they don't know what your phone is, you get a 120x160 picture. Useless. And forwarding that to an e-mail address doesn't fix anything. 120x160 is especially useless on a 240x320 or larger screen, and that's the norm these days unless you got a freebie phone. I wouldn't be surprised if other carriers do this as well. Yeah, so that's REALLY easy, flawless and better than e-mail.

Also to the poster above who posted about costing money to use MMS and rather use email. HELLO!!!! MCFLY! It costs more to use email on phones than it does MMS/SMS. Think about that statement for a minute. You can pay $15 for 1500 or $20 for unlimited text if you really need it. In order to use email to send pics you need data on any 3G (or EVDO if CDMA) network is going to cost $30 or more. Think about it, smartphones are the minority of the market share. The majority doesnt want to pay $30 for data to use email, so they get a $10 or $15 Texting plan and can SMS or MMS all they want. Why is email better than MMS again?

When I had my SE K800i, I used e-mail almost exclusively because MMS sucks on any unsupported phone in this country. Oh, and fancy this, I had a $6 data plan (T-Zones) which allowed e-mail, and there was no limit to my data usage. Much cheaper than that 1500 messages cost. Plus, if you have a flat rate data plan, you can use the web as much as you want. It all adds up to be cheaper per kilobyte (usually) than MMS or SMS.



If the iPhone gets MMS, that's fine, but I don't miss it. MMS is a kludge. It has to use "pages" because it's works like a "slideshow," there are upper limits on amount of text per page (dumb), they typically cost more per kB (SMS/MMS buckets aside), most carriers stick their hand in the cookie jar and resize your pictures and sending them to an e-mail address typically gets all kinds of crap added into the message by your carrier. Arguing for MMS is like arguing for the floppy disk or the modem. Yeah, it was good, but there's better technology out there like e-mail, and some countries already use that near exclusively between cellphones, even with the capability to use SMS or similar. Japan, for one, and people are always talking about how Japan leads the world in cellphones.

It makes more sense to push toward e-mail because if every phone and every computer has an e-mail client, you'll see what flawless and easy really is. Phones are already moving toward total integration with the Internet. I see no reason to hold them back.
 
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