Alot of vendors have tried that. Too expensive, too fragile and why have a screen on a device most professionals don't even look at?
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Seven months on, do you like the Touch Bar?
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Alot of vendors have tried that. Too expensive, too fragile and why have a screen on a device most professionals don't even look at?
If you give this credibility..... It's gonna happen
https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/6f21c7/everything_ufoxconninsider_reported_today/
[doublepost=1496528668][/doublepost]I know it's off topic, but regarding that Apple logo... I'm in a dark room, why would I want a flashlight coming outta my lid, it beats my understanding...
Apparently that's coming back....
https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/6f21c7/everything_ufoxconninsider_reported_today/
[doublepost=1496528668][/doublepost]I know it's off topic, but regarding that Apple logo... I'm in a dark room, why would I want a flashlight coming outta my lid, it beats my understanding...
Apparently that's coming back....
I actually use a lot of Google apps, and since Android is Google, I don't have to download them
Someone said to me that the only reason to buy an Android phone is because you can't afford an iPhone, and that has been true for a while, but I feel that statement is changing, especially with iPhone prices getting on the same level as premium Android offerings. I think the phone companies are playing; how much can we charge? The same with MacBook Pros and the newest PC offerings from Microsoft. They are all carrying premium price tags, but not a single one is changing the game, at least not giving other companies a thing they have to copy in order to stay alive in the PC market. The Surface Studio is still only a fun device to use, the touch bar is just a fun gadget and 3D touch has only been replicated by Huawei, who has taken a stake in the phone market by emulating iOS hardware and software for Android phones.
The last good thing to come out of Apple was the 12" retina MacBook. Portable, fanless and great battery life. It has been copied by all of the other computer companies out there.
I do use Gmail which is nice. I never ever developed a love of google chrome I must say. On windows I just used Firefox and on mac I just use safari. Firefox I use due it being like the google homepage giving me the barebonesness I like in a search engine. Google.com made me fall in love with the fact that it was a blank page the logo and a search bar, nothing else. No news no extra features nothing. I love that. Firefox gave me that yes I could have just set google.com as my homepage but firefox was close enough.
Safari on my mac I love as it is equally as simple though it does come up with a favourites page first which i have made work by having preferred sites saved there and then google.com saved as my homepage.
I like the built in email on my iPhone as I can have multiple emails in one place and check all off them. Though I really wish there was a way to just select a hole bunch of emails received before a certain date and delete in bulk as I have so many going back years that I just want gone and I don't have the time to delete one by one.
That involves moving the entire arm to touch the screen which overtime will get old and I would cease to use the touchscreen. with touch bar I can keep my hands on the keyboard while having what I need on the tb at fingers reach.
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Obama is trying to figure out how they keep getting hacked while Hillary is looking for trackpad drivers for the 5th time that day.It made me switch to a Windows 10 desktop PC with 1080 GTX Ti. I seldom use my computers outside of my office and home. Doing business on the run has been a part of my repertoire. I never made my career trying to be a freelance graphics artists at the local Starbucks. Great to have all the power in the world hooked up to a big 32" screen and have no issues. Miss TouchID, Sequel Pro and iTerm 2, but I have found sufficient alternatives for Windows.
I still like my iPhone, but may switch, if the product line doesn't attain some more balance on Monday. Would love to own everything Apple, but clever solutions from competing companies seem to be doing more right than wrong. I like solutions, not gadgets.
May buy a MacBook Pro with Coffee Lake without a touch bar, if they release one, but this year I am trying to be the little kid getting my business on rather than trying to fetch some attention by swiping through my emojis.
The amish hipsters are just relaxing, brainstorimg ways to profit their organic cheese business without stressing over unnecessary computer related issues.
And now they have switched to a Chromebook because they can't lend anymore student funding, and they need to use Google Office Suite so they can collaborate from each of their old boys room at their mamas house throughout their thirties.
You mean, like the iPad Pro with Smart Keyboard?
I’m not a big fan of the touch bar either. When it comes to coding, or even leveling Agnis flame dash skill, I prefer a button with feedback. I feel the touchbar belongs on the 12” macbook, the laptop for social and light productivity, more than the MacBook Pro.
I think they need to come up with another solution for the truck, since it’s not a car.
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Its funny that iPads with keyboards get brought up. I see this a a lot. Maybe im a little odd but honestly if im going to attach a keyboard to an iPad, I feel I may as well just use a laptop. But that is just my opinion based on my use case.
Anyway this is about the Touch Bar so I wont derail the thread.
Anyway this is about the Touch Bar so I wont derail the thread.
After a few months of use the touch bar was nothing more than a gimmick. I can't remember once where I thought hey this is really making an impact. Still, I don't care that it is useless since I like the 2016 MacBook Pro overall. It looks great, I get good battery life, the screen is phenomenal, keyboard works well (not as good as the surface book keyboard but whatever) and the build quality is unparalleled.
The Touch Bar was just a reaction of Apple not having a touch screen on their Macs and I am not sure why they caved in. Windows computers touch is nice since the track pads are abysmal but for the Mac I don't see how a touch screen would enhance anything.
The Touch Bar was just a reaction of Apple not having a touch screen on their Macs and I am not sure why they caved in. Windows computers touch is nice since the track pads are abysmal but for the Mac I don't see how a touch screen would enhance anything.
Yes, I like it. Maybe its because I like my keyboard shortcuts, but I do find myself using it a fair bit, have customised it in most apps and have got the BetterTouch Tool installed. There's some things for which I find it more natural to press a button on the Touch Bar than removing my hands from the keyboard to go and use the trackpad.
Its not perfect, far from it, but I do use it and every time I've used non-TB Macs, I do find myself missing it, even if its just for some of the customisations I've made in programs like Mail.
Its not perfect, far from it, but I do use it and every time I've used non-TB Macs, I do find myself missing it, even if its just for some of the customisations I've made in programs like Mail.
I don't use it much, and it is buggy. Just threw a Apple Magic Keyboard in the trash as the butterfly mechanism got bad (spacebar), and connected my Apple Wired keyboard to it along with a Mouse. Felt great, but I'm old. I think there is a lot of good incentives coming from Apple, but the execution is not that refined, especially when it comes to anything except for their iPhones. I can't see myself changing out my iPhone, but for computers I am at undecided, and at the moment prefer to own both a Windows desktop and a macOS laptop.
I still accidentally touch the touch bar about 10-20 times a day. Especially when using numbers, but the worst are backspace or any combination of command, option or control along with a number.
Just hope touch id gets scrapped and they cease development of it, then makes us all buy a new MacBook Pro so we can use FaceID instead. I just need to buy a new computer biannually, or wait half a decade to get an updated and modular Mac Pro. I haven't really gotten the new Apple laptop feel since 2009 when I got the 15", it felt complete and finished. Retina was good, but it took to long to get all the apps updated. Windows is still behind on scaling, but they also have a lot of models to comply to.
The iPhone 4 also felt finished. The iPad felt more complete with iOS 11, but the variety of models is just confusing. Is there really a Pro iPad or is it a wet dream from shareholders to attach more dollars to the price tag?
There is no unifying feeling of owning multiple Apple devices anymore. Hand-off is nice, but the only product that looks kind of finished is the iPhone and even that phone is being bloated by following tech trends rather than serving me with a clean and robust phone OS. Most of my apps are Google, and very few people use anything else than unicode emojis, which is supported on all devices, and unique iMessage effects were good for a week after the keynote. I must admit that replacing my iPhone with an Android device will probably be my final switch from Apple altogether, and I hope it happens soon, but I will probably buy the X and stick around for another year.
I don't think so-called planned obsolescence is what is hurting Apple the most, it is that Google is simply owning the software we use across all platforms. Final Cut seems to be only program holding hard core pros back, and mission control, but the rest is standing still, and if Apple makes a move, they seem to be following the other leaders.
I still accidentally touch the touch bar about 10-20 times a day. Especially when using numbers, but the worst are backspace or any combination of command, option or control along with a number.
Just hope touch id gets scrapped and they cease development of it, then makes us all buy a new MacBook Pro so we can use FaceID instead. I just need to buy a new computer biannually, or wait half a decade to get an updated and modular Mac Pro. I haven't really gotten the new Apple laptop feel since 2009 when I got the 15", it felt complete and finished. Retina was good, but it took to long to get all the apps updated. Windows is still behind on scaling, but they also have a lot of models to comply to.
The iPhone 4 also felt finished. The iPad felt more complete with iOS 11, but the variety of models is just confusing. Is there really a Pro iPad or is it a wet dream from shareholders to attach more dollars to the price tag?
There is no unifying feeling of owning multiple Apple devices anymore. Hand-off is nice, but the only product that looks kind of finished is the iPhone and even that phone is being bloated by following tech trends rather than serving me with a clean and robust phone OS. Most of my apps are Google, and very few people use anything else than unicode emojis, which is supported on all devices, and unique iMessage effects were good for a week after the keynote. I must admit that replacing my iPhone with an Android device will probably be my final switch from Apple altogether, and I hope it happens soon, but I will probably buy the X and stick around for another year.
I don't think so-called planned obsolescence is what is hurting Apple the most, it is that Google is simply owning the software we use across all platforms. Final Cut seems to be only program holding hard core pros back, and mission control, but the rest is standing still, and if Apple makes a move, they seem to be following the other leaders.
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The Magic Keyboard doesn't use butterfly mechanisms.
I feel your pain of hitting the touchbar "keys" by accident. I still hit escape quite often. I really don't like the sliders for volume and brightness. I think it was easier to just hit the button a few times quick to lower the volume. And I know you can edit the layout, but as far as I know there is no way to replace the slider with the old way of up and down.
I just out right dont use half the technology that my devices allow, never used siri, never used any kind of touch id or face id or whatever. I dont really care much about customising.
How come I found butterfly mechanism under the magic keyboard, the new one with the battery built in? It has the same fragile design with the micro plastic pins that will break if you try to lift up the keys. It has the same butterfly locks that will easily malfunction if microscopic objects gets under the key.
You didn't
Both Magic Keyboard keyboard models are scissors, not butterfly switches.
"With a stable scissor mechanism beneath each key"
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MLA22LL/A/magic-keyboard-us-english
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MQ052LL/A/magic-keyboard-with-numeric-keypad-us-english
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Who cares? I just bought a Windows PC. Got six cores, 12 threads and a 1080 GTX Ti25k geekbench. I will miss some apps, but I won't be waiting for Tim to Cook.
Ok. Fair enough.
But you still didn't find butterfly switches on the magic keyboard.
You could at least admit to being incorrect on that.
I understand that you are correct. As much as I love the recharging function, it seems the fragility of the product makes it troublesome. I threw it away. Looking for an Android phone, would buy Essential, but the camera sucks. Again, always something.
Anyways...
Touch bar is not happening outside of the MacBook Pro, it has been a year, new MacBooks have been introduced and a new Pro iMac is being launched in a months time. There is no sign of the Touch Bar getting adaption outside of the MacBook Pro. There has been talks about a separate keyboard with a touch bar, but nothing yet. I hope it dies. Quick. The only thing that looks good straight out of the Apple campus in the last five years is the Steve Jobs dome.
We can all admire the stock price and the iPhone X looks OK, but again, there is nothing really new except for unlocking your phone and the small increase in camera quality.
Will return to Apple if the lineup return to more refined products rather than multiple colors, gimmicks and hardcore marketing from A list celebrities cease.
It has been a good decade I will say, but time to move on.
The touchbar seems to be another "great idea... that failed".
Looks nifty, but not that useful in the real world.
Perhaps in future versions of the MacBook Pro it will disappear, and with a bit of luck we'll see a real, durable keyboard re-appear in its place...
Looks nifty, but not that useful in the real world.
Perhaps in future versions of the MacBook Pro it will disappear, and with a bit of luck we'll see a real, durable keyboard re-appear in its place...
I'm really not even sure it was ever even a great idea honestly. The whole concept feels like an odd reaction/counter to the touchscreen laptops on the Windows side. Apple is so insistent on not putting in the effort to afford macOS with touchscreen options/capabilities and the touchbar feels like some half step that just isn't really that great honestly.
Not to pull out the old Steve/Editor thing again, but it does really feel like a revision that he might have said no to or at least: "Go back and work it out more - this as is just isn't good enough".