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They don't work for Apple!
Does it even matter? Lobbying essentially is legal bribe. Amazing isn’t it?
Just like marketing is legal lying.
So, will Apple ban the companies and developers involved?!

If not, then they really aren't upholding a code of conduct…

The rule of law and accountability should to all — little fish, big fish, employees, and, especially, the companies doing the bribing, corrupting, enticing, and norm violating.

Surprised no one mentioned that…
Good luck trying to enforce that in China unless something stings the government, such as “those things”.
 
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As an asian, welcome to how to do business in asia.

Seems to be about the same everywhere.

I don’t understand why Apple even has a featured section. It’s the same stupid Snapchat filters every day. The entire App Store main page is just an ad and has been for many years now.

The only useful App Store pages are search and updates, both of which (especially updates) have been increasingly de-emphasized and filled with outright ads.
 
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Not sure if my take is right, but it's OK for salesmen/directors to wine and dine their 'quarry' at company expense but not the rank and file?
Honestly, maybe there’s some cultural tolerance in some countries and definitely it was one way dozens and hundreds of years ago. Maybe some get away with it.

But today, even for those examples you mention, it’s a risk… the current state of affairs means just a simple unproven mention or allegation can end someone’s life as they know it and leave them homeless, never again employable and/or jailed.
Not worth it.

A job is just that, a job. Maybe enjoyable, maybe cool acquaintances, but that’s about it: no friendships no extending the stay… put the time in, get paid for it, get out.
No “we are a family!”, “let’s go above and beyond!”, “let’s have the BEST group training” HR speak manipulation nonsense.
Anything more convoluted than that can get in corruption, bribery, misconduct, harassment, etc terrains.
 
As someone from that "country" right across the pond from China, I can't stand this kind of shady culture. I'm stoked that Apple held their ground and stayed true to their principles. Yeah, folks might think there's a quick buck to be made by diving into this scene, but most of the time, the backlash is way bigger than anticipated, with only the big shots cashing in. Picture this: can a prosecutor or witness really sit down for a meal or chat with the accused? It's a no-brainer.
Everyone's entitled to their own take and choices. But trying to paint under-the-table dealings as just 'Asian culture'? That's a straight-up insult to all of us Asians who play it straight. Making excuses for shady actions? It's clear as day where those folks stand in terms of integrity.
 
As someone from that "country" right across the pond from China, I can't stand this kind of shady culture. I'm stoked that Apple held their ground and stayed true to their principles. Yeah, folks might think there's a quick buck to be made by diving into this scene, but most of the time, the backlash is way bigger than anticipated, with only the big shots cashing in. Picture this: can a prosecutor or witness really sit down for a meal or chat with the accused? It's a no-brainer.
Everyone's entitled to their own take and choices. But trying to paint under-the-table dealings as just 'Asian culture'? That's a straight-up insult to all of us Asians who play it straight. Making excuses for shady actions? It's clear as day where those folks stand in terms of integrity.
I play it straight and live near by but i acknowledge that it is a problem and it is very visible.

It is a fact of Asian life. It is up to the Asian to practices it or not but it is there.
 
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Honestly, maybe there’s some cultural tolerance in some countries and definitely it was one way dozens and hundreds of years ago. Maybe some get away with it.

But today, even for those examples you mention, it’s a risk… the current state of affairs means just a simple unproven mention or allegation can end someone’s life as they know it and leave them homeless, never again employable and/or jailed.
Not worth it.

A job is just that, a job. Maybe enjoyable, maybe cool acquaintances, but that’s about it: no friendships no extending the stay… put the time in, get paid for it, get out.
No “we are a family!”, “let’s go above and beyond!”, “let’s have the BEST group training” HR speak manipulation nonsense.
Anything more convoluted than that can get in corruption, bribery, misconduct, harassment, etc terrains.
Well I remember years ago as an engineer we were told, (that is to say it was written company policy), that we could not accept gifts from customers, we were not allowed to give them either.
Gifts was quite a broad term.
Lunch bought by their organisation was fine.Lunch bought by them personally was not. This was the lower end of the scale. Now...........
The sales team would take out the people they were meeting and buy all sorts of things. Take them to golf clubs, meet them after work etc etc.

People love to badmouth the Chinese but we're not as far from them as we think?
 
Oh man... it's iconic... there is still video of him on stage shouting Developers on Youtube. It's really amazing... you don't see stuff like that anymore.
I just watched this for the first time. It’s really neat energy!

I still think UWP was a good thing…
 
This is how business is done in the East. It doesn’t necessarily reek of corruption, it’s a different culture entirely, dont throw your sense of morality into the mix.

So how does this culture benefit customers of Apple?
 
You can really tell how many posters here are culturally bereft in terms of international knowledge and understanding and explicitly lacking international commercial intelligence too - but lets not detract from the virtue signalling here.

Also laughable (and irrelevant to this topic) that some posters infer that a collapse in the Chinese real estate market will be isolated to China - when its the same developers and investors that own significant real estate across the US, Europe and Middle East - the shockwaves would be very significant.
 
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Says any company that has a business code of conduct
As a German I find the asian business culture very strange but who are we to say it's wrong? Maybe in our western eyes? That's just the way to do business in Asia.
 
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