Several macOS Monterey Features Unavailable on Intel-Based Macs

[cmaier]

I’m not complaining at all, we just hired two people in that department and they needed machines. Now, they all do graphics for various website partners we work with so an M1 would vastly improve their day to day because it’s more than enough power for the Adobe programs they use, but the creature comforts of insane battery life. The ONLY reason I’m dismayed is because budget season is coming up and I’m looking to transition that small team to AS as quickly as possible given the head of the department wants my input on refreshing the entire department.

I’m not whining, I was pointing out to another user that sometimes the immediate need means you need to purchase a device that while plenty capable, will be an interim device that we paid heavily for. I was pushing back against another user who’s framing at the time made it seem like the purchase by another was a bad decision because AS is right around the corner, but just laying out an example of immediate need sometimes being the deciding factor.

Additionally, none of these “lost features” should ever come up. If I have a worker complaint about not displaying the 3D Apple Map…I’d have some more probing questions about what work they actually do here 😂

I know you weren’t complaining or whining. That’s my point. You, properly, understand that when you buy a machine and the manufacturer has already explained that they are about to transition to a whole new architecture, you have to set your expectations accordingly.

 

[alfmoonspace]

Meh, still love the 5k iMacs. Who would of thought seeing intel as the underdogs around here.

 

[BeatCrazy]

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The Augmented Reality capture requires 16GB main memory and 4GB VRAM.

It's obviously not a 'core function', but neither is a pretty spinning globe.

The point is more that assuming "well the base memory they sell it with is fine" is quite flawed, despite what some will insist.

Looks like the 16GB AR requirement is only for Intel-based Macs. Any M1 can handle it:

Object-Capture-Apple-API-requirements.jpg

 

[Channelsurfer63]

Well, depends upon your expectations I suppose. Have to say I am super pleased as to how well B1 of Monterey works on my late 2015 iMac 21.5".
Planning to upgrade this year, but with how well this runs if the 32" iMac doesn't arrive until 2022 sometime I'll make it in good shape thank you very much. 🙂

 

[Woochoo]

To the guys that expected Apple to fully support Intel Macs for years and bought a top tier Intel Mac out of fear right before ARM ones...

In the end Apple said in 2 years they'd have made the full transition to ARM, so even if it's a jerk move from them to not support features for (perfectly cappable) Intel Macs features, it's kinda expected. I mean why would they waste resources to do so when in 1 year every Mac will be ARM? I guess Monterrey or the next one will be the last OS to support Intel Macs, from there we can only expect new OSses and features will be 100% ARM.

 

[crazycrabbcanuck]

I can see depreciating older Macs, but considering some Macs they still sell are Intel based - that is premature. You shouldn't aim to piss off those who just spent large sums of money on your product.

This steps away from the old rule of being able to spread out ownership cost of an older Mac and justify the extra spend. Basically... the prices just went up again.

They should not avoid supporting products they still sell!

 

[crazycrabbcanuck]

Anyone who is surprised has been living in a cave for the past 10 years.

Not really.

Primary features have been supported for macs that are 5-10 years old. I completely disagree.

 

[mcapanelli]

Just so I understand this, Apple is making my 2020 13" MacBook Pro partially obsolete before it's a year old? And this shouldn't get me a little angry? I needed 4 ports for work so got a 13" 32 g pro with AppleCare and now I'd need to get an M1? And most of you are cool with that? Y'all must be doing much better than I am. I was hoping to get at least until my AppleCare expired to upgrade. This means inn order to get get the full functionality out of my 2500 computer I have to sell it and get another 2500 computer. makes perfect sense

Also, compare this to cars is stupid. If I want CarPlay in my 2017 Grand Cherokee I can just drop it $500 on an aftermarket stereo. I might even get more functionality out of it. If I want to use any of the photo features, which would come in real handy for me, I have to replace my now severely devalued machine and drop another $2000+. This is not a smart move on apples part.

 

[dukebound85]

Perhaps because Tim said the following:

The company expects the Apple silicon transition to "take about two years," Cook said, and plans to "continue to support and release new versions of MacOS for Intel-based Macs for years to come."

He continued, "In fact, we have some new Intel-based Macs in the pipeline that we're really excited about."

it'd be a hoot if there were intel only software features/upgrades that weren't on the m1 macs. I mean, why not Apple? Let's really have a **** show

Want a blurred portrait image - get the m1 as the intel won't
Want the blurred landscape image - get the intel as the m1 won't do that

 

[mcapanelli]

...aaaaaaaand I think I'll survive.

Yep, probably. I'll still bitch about it a bit since my MacBook is only a few months old. I can understand it from a business perspective, but it';s still a little ****** for people that picked up intel Macs out of necessity.

 

[Abazigal]

I can see depreciating older Macs, but considering some Macs they still sell are Intel based - that is premature. You shouldn't aim to piss off those who just spent large sums of money on your product.

This steps away from the old rule of being able to spread out ownership cost of an older Mac and justify the extra spend. Basically... the prices just went up again.

They should not avoid supporting products they still sell!

Features that rely on machine learning are being excluded from Macs that lack that capability.

This is like complaining that you don’t get the flashlight function in iPads without a camera flash.

Macs will get the features that make sense for them to have, and they will be excluded from features that won’t run as well on them.

I am not getting the outrage. Every time something like this happens, people have the choice to either educate our audience or rage-bait.

And the choice this forum makes never fails to disappoint me every single time.

 

[Channelsurfer63]

That's what Apple was selling

Customers shouldn't have to be "forecasting what might be coming" when making these decisions in that way.

That's crap from Apple if that's the answer

All customers for years have learned pretty much that like a new car that you roll off the lot and it is worth less, any computer or phone you buy will be updated in a year or less with new components or a new design.
Do some of you wish that everything stood still, no upgraded capabilities or features? This is getting silly folks, but yet here I am going through these posts, so shame on me.

 

[turbineseaplane]

but yet here I am going through these posts, so shame on me.

yup 🤣

 

[317342]

Still, the MacBook Pro will become into the new iPhone, new features every year working extremely bad and buggy and then the next next year another feature, but instead giving us better cameras they will add Starbucks in 3D on Apple maps and new backgrounds on FaceTime so we can fake to be in a beach while we are in our room. Welcome to the XXI century.

What you're describing, essentially, is progress. --Sure, you can run from it, hide from it, deny it, shout at it, cope with it, and even bargain with it, but progress is not only inevitable but eternal.

Meanwhile, the 3D maps change and the rest of the changes coming down the pipe all very likely or definitely have everything to do with a the M1's 16 core Neural Engine (NE) than anything else, least of which a simple codebase change.

 

[jk73]

Just so I understand this, Apple is making my 2020 13" MacBook Pro partially obsolete before it's a year old? And this shouldn't get me a little angry? I needed 4 ports for work so got a 13" 32 g pro with AppleCare and now I'd need to get an M1? And most of you are cool with that? Y'all must be doing much better than I am. I was hoping to get at least until my AppleCare expired to upgrade. This means inn order to get get the full functionality out of my 2500 computer I have to sell it and get another 2500 computer. makes perfect sense

Also, compare this to cars is stupid. If I want CarPlay in my 2017 Grand Cherokee I can just drop it $500 on an aftermarket stereo. I might even get more functionality out of it. If I want to use any of the photo features, which would come in real handy for me, I have to replace my now severely devalued machine and drop another $2000+. This is not a smart move on apples part.

Meanwhile, in the iPad Pro threads, Pro owners are mad because Apple didn’t introduce Pro-exclusive features.

No matter what Apple does, some people are going to be unhappy.

 

[Macadvn]

I have anticipated some issues to come with macOS Monterey upgrade for Intel Macs, hard to get a perfect macOS Monterey upgrade on both Mac versions M1 and Intel, Apple needs more time to complete or Intel will no longer see it on Macs

 

[abbstrack]

Your definition of 'support' and Apple must be vastly different.

Oh, it's pulled from under me many times believe me. This is not unique to Apple Silicon at all. Even Intel to Intel the features were always different. You're new to Mac I presume.

if new means 15 years in, and a transfer over from powerpc to intel, then I guess new.

C‘mon this isn’t complaining they are favoring their own chip. This is them signaling 1 year in that they are only building OS features for their platform going forward, user base be damned. Thats a complete 180 from their own messaging on this.

 

[cmaier]

Just so I understand this, Apple is making my 2020 13" MacBook Pro partially obsolete before it's a year old?

Pretty sure it can do everything it could do yesterday, so nope.

 

[dukebound85]

Pretty sure it can do everything it could do yesterday, so nope.

While I get what you are saying, people also buy apple machines knowing that they will get software upgrades.

No one would buy an apple machine if it was not upgradeable OS wise and had to be replaced yearly at the prices they currently charge. Apple has established this expectation and consumers have priced it in. To not fully get all the sw upgrades on a less than 1 year old machine is a poor move.

So yes, it is making the mac you bought in 2020 partially obsolete

 

[matrix07]

if new means 15 years in, and a transfer over from powerpc to intel, then I guess new.

C‘mon this isn’t complaining they are favoring their own chip. This is them signaling 1 year in that they are only building OS features for their platform going forward, user base be damned. Thats a complete 180 from their own messaging on this.

It's one year because this is the first year of the transition. It's just bad timing for ones who acquire Intel Mac last year. It sucks but it is what it is. These features are using T2 Neural chip in M1 that Intel lacks.

 

[317342]

All customers for years have learned pretty much that like a new car that you roll off the lot and it is worth less, any computer or phone you buy will be updated in a year or less with new components or a new design.
Do some of you wish that everything stood still, no upgraded capabilities or features? This is getting silly folks, but yet here I am going through these posts, so shame on me.

It's like someone went back in time, and copypasta'd the same message board kvetching from...

...'94 when Apple transitioned from 68k to PowerPC. --Hey, remember the AIM consortium? Anyone?
...'97 when Apple (i.e., Steve Jobs) killed the Mac clones. --this was the "last, last straw" for so, so many. I remember
...'05 when Apple transitioned to Intel. --this was a special time, indeed.

I guess we're overdue.

However, on that last one, sure, Intel's NetBurst (P4) was pitiful but its successor, Yonah, was Apple's first Intel silicon, and just killed PPC in every single benchmark.

Yonah turned out amazing for two (2) reasons:

a. Dual Core. --This was the game changer at the time, especially in a laptop form factor.
b. Performance per watt. --Dude, six (6) hour battery life was just insane at the time.

The first-gens were literally screaming around the PPC Macs yet the message boards were still full of "from my cold dead hands" on PPC G5s being their last and final Macs.

I wonder how that worked out. Ah, memories.

 

[cmaier]

While I get what you are saying, people also buy apple machines knowing that they will get software upgrades.

And they are getting software upgrades.

But anyone buying intel-based Macs in the last year has absolutely no excuse for not knowing that there were going to be things the apple silicon macs can do that Intel macs can’t.

And, frankly, the writing was on the wall for a couple years before that, though I forgive people who don’t follow apple daily.

 

[DeepWebinar]

What begins? Are you having bouts of keyboard constipation?

Good one.

 

[typecase]

So my 2 year old Mac won't be able to run all the features on the new OS? Thanks Apple. Glad I spent that money on the Mac Pro.

 

[Stephen.R]

Looks like the 16GB AR requirement is only for Intel-based Macs. Any M1 can handle it:

Object-Capture-Apple-API-requirements.jpg

It's quite weird that this distinction isn't made on the public facing page about the feature.