Sharp Now Producing 'Adequate Volumes' of iPhone 5 Display

[rmatthewware]

This is probably one of the most ignorant posts I have had the pleasure or reading. Apple is being stupid in breaking from one of the best Nand, LCD, and Mobile CPU producers on the planet. Your iPhones are going to be filled with 2nd/3rd tier products with higher failure rates. I guess if you like traveling multiple times to the apple store when your phone fails that is fine, but personally when I spend that much money on a phone/laptop I expect it to have the best quality parts on it. Not 2nd/3rd tier, because they feel they need to throw a fit.

If you think their suppliers they are going to be using aren't bad. Look up Hynix that is your new Nand producer, look at sharp for your lcd, and I don't even want to delve into who they are going to have make their CPUs. ROFL Global foundries was thrown around and they are atrocious.

This is probably one of the most ignorant posts I have had the pleasure or reading.

When Apple continues to let Samsung make their displays, RAM, and processors it just teaches them how to make it for their own products. How long until Samsung starts using in-cell technology on their displays?

 

[cvaldes]

Does anyone know how relliant Apple is on Samsung? Do a lot of their supplies really come from Samsung? Sorry for the newb question.

Here you go: iSuppli's BOM analysis of the iPhone 5

The Apple A6 SoC is a Samsung-manufactured part.

Other likely Samsung-fabbed components are main memory (system RAM), and NAND flash storage. In the instances where a component is sourced from multiple suppliers, we'll never know the exact percentage of how many from which vendor.

 

[nick_elt]

Some of these posts are ridiculous. I am an Apple fan just as much as the next guy on here but id rather have what is best for the customer ie. Me. If samsung makes the best parts at the best price id want samsung, and if google makes the best maps, guess what, id want google maps too. Apple shouldnt rely on any one company but they shouldnt shut any company for stupid reasons.

 

[chirpie]

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Apple wouldn't be where they are today without Samsung.

Conversely, Samsung wouldn't be where they are today without Apple. Round and round they go...

 

[DAVIDUGLY]

how can I be sure to get the LG screen version?

 

[maplingstorie]

I hate to say this but I really hope that Samsung would continue making displays for apple products. They may hate Apple a lot but the quality of screens made aren't affected at all lol. After all the troubles and frustration I had with the LG screens on my macbook air (horrible color reproduction) and retina (the famous IR), I am extremely paranoid over LG now. The samsung screens I have on both my air and retina are well.. satisfying. I do apologise deeply if anyone feels otherwise.

 

[rendevouspoo]

Some of these posts are ridiculous. I am an Apple fan just as much as the next guy on here but id rather have what is best for the customer ie. Me. If samsung makes the best parts at the best price id want samsung, and if google makes the best maps, guess what, id want google maps too. Apple shouldnt rely on any one company but they shouldnt shut any company for stupid reasons.

Exactly. Samsung and Google makes the clear superior product when it comes to display and maps. If you want the best for your customers, use the best technology. Simple as that. Apple is letting pride take priority over customer satisfaction. Google and Samsung are legitimate contenders and competition, therefore Apple feels the need to stop using them for their technologies that we, as consumers, have come to rely on. First thing? Let's sue to try to stop them from producing their product. That fails? Strip away our loyal customers from their rightful technologies.

 

[KnightWRX]

How long until Samsung starts using in-cell technology on their displays?

Circa 2 years agoish. Where do you think the technology to do it comes from ?

Same for "Retina" displays. And next, flexible displays we discussed yesterday following an "Apple patent".

Where do you really think all this stuff comes from ?

 

[hchung]

Circa 2 years agoish. Where do you think the technology to do it comes from ?

Same for "Retina" displays. And next, flexible displays we discussed yesterday following an "Apple patent".

Where do you really think all this stuff comes from ?

Where? Um, since we're dealing with LCDs... probably LG, Sharp, and AU Optronics. Oh, and Toshiba. Those guys are everywhere.

You seem to believe the OLED touch implementation from Samsung is in-cell. Those were on-cell.
http://www.displaysearchblog.com/2012/06/on-cell-touch-is-on-lcd-again/
http://www.walkermobile.com/LCD_In_Cell_Touch_(March_2010).pdf

 

[unplugme71]

Should we be expecting Sharp to come out with an iPhone-like smartphone ?

 

[fertilized-egg]

Some of these posts are ridiculous. I am an Apple fan just as much as the next guy on here but id rather have what is best for the customer ie. Me. If samsung makes the best parts at the best price id want samsung, and if google makes the best maps, guess what, id want google maps too. Apple shouldnt rely on any one company but they shouldnt shut any company for stupid reasons.

Where? Um, since we're dealing with LCDs... probably LG, Sharp, and AU Optronics. Oh, and Toshiba. Those guys are everywhere.

You seem to believe the OLED touch implementation from Samsung is in-cell. Those were on-cell.
http://www.displaysearchblog.com/2012/06/on-cell-touch-is-on-lcd-again/
http://www.walkermobile.com/LCD_In_Cell_Touch_(March_2010).pdf

I'm always shocked at how many people believe Samsung makes phone LCD displays. They don't (actually I think they do, but in a limited quantity and they are quitting the market) Also using in-cell in such massive quantity is a huge gamble on Apple's part. From what I've read making in-cell LCD displays seems to be more difficult than producing on-cell AMOLED screens.

The companies that Apple are using - LG, Sharp, Japan Display, etc, are the absolute best makers for the mobile LCD displays and Apple so far hasn't shut any supplier for "stupid reasons".

Map is something completely different. It requires data and the only way to get data is getting users. Plus Apple wasn't willing to give user data or prominence to Google. These are all very valid reasons.

 

[cvaldes]

how can I be sure to get the LG screen version?

Get a job at Apple as an iPhone hardware QA engineer.

 

[nick_elt]

I'm always shocked at how many people believe Samsung makes phone LCD displays. They don't (actually I think they do, but in a limited quantity and they are quitting the market) Also using in-cell in such massive quantity is a huge gamble on Apple's part. From what I've read making in-cell LCD displays seems to be more difficult than producing on-cell AMOLED screens.

The companies that Apple are using - LG, Sharp, Japan Display, etc, are the absolute best makers for the mobile LCD displays and Apple so far hasn't shut any supplier for "stupid reasons".

Map is something completely different. It requires data and the only way to get data is getting users. Plus Apple wasn't willing to give user data or prominence to Google. These are all very valid reasons.

I never said apple has shut anyone out for stupid reasons, they are smarter than that, but there are some fanboys on here that would.

 

[Gnomepatrol]

This is probably one of the most ignorant posts I have had the pleasure or reading.

When Apple continues to let Samsung make their displays, RAM, and processors it just teaches them how to make it for their own products. How long until Samsung starts using in-cell technology on their displays?

Apple doesn't have the means to fabricate any of their products themselves. they need to outsource it. SO apparently you think that Apple created the architecture they are using in their CPUs?? No even in this recent chip they tweaked it ever so slightly. They don't have the man power on engineers to create an entire architecture from the ground up for a chip. Nand doesn't have a specific arch persay just slightly differing production, and no Apple has not designed Nand chips.

I am just going to stop it is clear you have no clue about the internal workings of your electronics. You have no idea past the logo what your product actually is.

 

[FieldingMellish]

Is there a display-gate that I should know about?

 

[Gnomepatrol]

Is there a display-gate that I should know about?

There have been reports of issues, but nothing large yet. Give it a week or so and the numbers of people with issues should solidify and give a bit clearer picture.

This was just a post in regards to Apple's continued move away from Samsung as a supplier.

 

[hchung]

Apple doesn't have the means to fabricate any of their products themselves. they need to outsource it. SO apparently you think that Apple created the architecture they are using in their CPUs?? No even in this recent chip they tweaked it ever so slightly. They don't have the man power on engineers to create an entire architecture from the ground up for a chip. Nand doesn't have a specific arch persay just slightly differing production, and no Apple has not designed Nand chips.

I am just going to stop it is clear you have no clue about the internal workings of your electronics. You have no idea past the logo what your product actually is.

Heh, "they tweaked it ever so slightly." In the same way that Core 2 is an ever so slightly tweaked Pentium Pro.

It doesn't sound like you know the internal workings either. Have you even cracked open the Hennessy/Patterson book?

Of course Apple doesn't do chip fab themselves, almost no company does it because unless your volume is insane, it's a financial blackhole. Almost nobody does chip fab themselves.

What are you trying to say? That we should be concerned about not having Samsung NAND in our phones? Whoopty-doo.

 

[AppleFan1984]

Aren't those displays made with the same specifications, and if that is true it wouldn't make a difference whether they are from Samsung, Sharp or any other manufacturer.

You might think so, but:

iPad 2 display problems prompt Apple to cut orders from LG
http://appleinsider.com/articles/11...blems_prompt_apple_to_cut_orders_from_lg.html

Retina MacBook Pro owners link display issues to LG panels
http://www.macnn.com/articles/12/08/24/burn.in.ghosting.complaints.persisting.since.june/

Apple Turns to Samsung Following Issues With LG Display Panels for iPad 2
http://www.cultofmac.com/108330/app...ing-issues-with-lg-display-panels-for-ipad-2/

 

[macs4nw]

Wow a guest appearance by Samsung's CEO here on MacRumors!!!

MacRumors leaves no stone unturned to bring us 'The Goods'.

how can I be sure to get the LG screen version?

You probably can't, until after you buy it.

So this means Apple's shipping estimates will soon improve.

Barring unforeseen 'guardbeatings' at FOXCONN.

....By supporting Samsung's rivals Apple is helping them "power up" in industrial capacity and with more revenue they can up their R&D as well - hire better engineers etc. It's win-win for Apple as it gives them more suppliers to source from and competition between them will force down the price and drive innovation. It also give Apple more leverage as they can dump whoever displeases them and go to their competitor. ....The iPhone 5's display is the best iPhone display yet, if not the best mobile display ever apart from the newest iPad...http://www.displaymate.com/Smartphone_ShootOut_2.htm

I can't imagine that Apple just throws specs at a manufacturer and lets them crank out low-quality parts. Just as Apple has supervisors at FoxConn, I'm sure they'd send supervisors to other plants to check on quality control. And, as with FoxConn, they might help the manufacturers get up-to-speed. It is, after all, in Apple's best interest to help them produce the highest quality they can.

Of course! APPLE isn't going to shoot themselves in the foot by putting inferior parts in their leading-edge products, but more choice in suppliers can only be a good thing!

 

[tigress666]

Are Sharp that good with displays? I was browsing through TV's a few months ago and Sharp didn't stand out as particularly good TVs. Sony and Samsung looked to be the best.

I've always had good luck with Sharp TVs honestly. Best thing is they are cheaper cause they are not as name brand as say Sony or Panasonic.

I don't know why there is all this Sharp hate on this forum. I've honestly found they make good products that last a very long time that are not priced for the name. I had one Sharp TV that last I checked was 13 or so years old, still going when I gave it to some one else. My new Sharp TV has a nice screen but it's newish (5-6 years old) so I can't use it to attest to how long it lasts and we have a microwave that has lasted quite a while with no issues whatsoever.

Then again, I shouldn't complain... Sharp is my secret to affording nice stuff without having to pay name brand. Cause they are as good as "name brand" but no one seems to have figured that out (well ok they are a name brand, but not as big a name brand as some).

 

[skunnykart]

Apple needs to break free as far from Samsung as possible. I believe this to be a very positive thing as Samsung needs to stand under their own merits, free from profits due to Apple's success. Not only for screens but ram and any other component Apple needs to make its products. Everything needs to come from other suppliers. I know that Samsung does a good job, but I'm sure that other companies can grow in order to supply great parts in the volumes that Apple needs.

Any money Apple eventually gets from the courts ($1.04B or triple damages on that number) is nothing compared to the thumping Samsung will get with Apple showing Samsung completely to the door. Which, I think, is exactly the thing that needs to happen.

Samsung,... Google. You boys are no longer invited to play with Apple.

Only the fanboys are at war.

Business is business. Apple will continue to do business with Samsung and Google until they find better deals elsewhere.

I am sure Samsung will survive without Apple. Apple's days at the top will not last forever. It'll be replaced by a Chinese company (just by looking at how this world is moving) and I'm sure Samsung will be happy to do business with the Chinese as they are doing business with Apple now.

BTW, I am not Chinese.

 

[archurban]

Good! I love sharp TV/display. I think made a good choice there

well, unfortunately the company has faced with bankruptcy almost. you'd better take a look at stock market how much this company has market value. it's pathetic. they already cut more than 10,000 people, and sold a part of property to Foxconn. so how can you explain this situation? do you think that the situation will get better anytime soon? I don't think so. No way. by the way apple had no choice to choose Sharp because they are in trouble with Samsung. without Sammy, apple will continually be in an huge trouble.

 

[sasasule]

Easy there fanboy.

In CRTs, Sony has always been number one with their Trinitron technology.

In LCDs, IPS is still the preferred tech in professional circles. Hitachi technology - licensed to LG.

OLED is premature. They still suffer from lifespan and power consumption issues. Samsung is using a whole lot of palour tricks like Pentile just to get them to work decently.

Not the FAN boy...far from that i just talking from personal experience.

TV from CRT all the way to AMOLED i used couple of brands and so far Samsung was by far better in quality then rest...Had Sony, Toshiba, Sharp, EI Nis, but Samsung outlast them all....Still have working CRT from 1987 from Samsung at my granpa place.

in Monitors used different types but Samsung again showed that can last longer then any other...even trough enrage phase when you hit your screen because you got pissed for some reason

For Macs i just colectivly checked experience of other people and most of them was positive...

So all in all i think that for screens Apple should keep Samsung in the loop for sure...because of quality...

Don't get me wrong i am not fan of any technology i just appreciate there screens because of personal experience...who was all in all positive through the last 30years....

 

[0098386]

I've always had good luck with Sharp TVs honestly. Best thing is they are cheaper cause they are not as name brand as say Sony or Panasonic.

I don't know why there is all this Sharp hate on this forum. I've honestly found they make good products that last a very long time that are not priced for the name. I had one Sharp TV that last I checked was 13 or so years old, still going when I gave it to some one else. My new Sharp TV has a nice screen but it's newish (5-6 years old) so I can't use it to attest to how long it lasts and we have a microwave that has lasted quite a while with no issues whatsoever.

Then again, I shouldn't complain... Sharp is my secret to affording nice stuff without having to pay name brand. Cause they are as good as "name brand" but no one seems to have figured that out (well ok they are a name brand, but not as big a name brand as some).

At the time I didn't see that much price difference, but a huge drop in quality with Sharp sets. I walked away with a 55" Bravia costing around £1800, I went into the store looking specifically for a Sharp (~60" for £2000). Was amazed at the difference in quality and how much better the Bravia was even with 3D content (which Sony used to suck at).

I can attest to their lifespan though. The only TVs I've had that never broke were Sony, Sharp and Samsung. Survivors, but not as good as the competition.

 

[HarryKNN21]

I finally could try out an iP5 at the new Apple Retail Store in Hong Kong today, and I am not sure if the new thiner display and the unibody do the trick or not, the new iP5 feels much lighter to handle than the iP4/4S, it made me feel much less awkward to hold.