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Should Apple Release Fourth Display?
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dansgil said:
Dude, you're getting a Dell!
Seriously, if you don't care about the enclosure, get a Dell 20" WS. Better screen than Apple's (or at least as good), more inputs, more extra features, half the price.Anyways, I voted for a 4th LCD, but not a big one (between 23 and 30). As noted, they need a 17" LCD. Widescreen would be cool, since there aren't many of them on the market they could justify the price premium. Don't do it in alum, both to keep costs down and to help keep it from stealing sales from the 20" (which, let's face it, if you are buying it's for the looks - there are better options out there).
Ideal: 17" WS, 1440x900 (iMac 17" panel) in an iPod styled enclosure with DVI and VGA input. Four port USB2 powered hub. $249. Other options: built in iSight, optional BT2 module (connects over the USB bus) would be kinda neat, bundle with keyboard and Mighty Mouse (mini add on bundle).
If they did a bundle with a keyb/mouse for $299, you could get a mini WITH display, keyb and mouse for $900. Run a promo and give away a 1gb shuffle to anyone buying a mini+monitor+keyb+mouse bundle and you would have the ulimate switcher bait... complete computer (s'pose they need to toss some speakers in there) with display AND an iPod for under a $1000 with tax.
timmillwood said:
19" lcd's are crap, low ass pixel density and generally bad in most ways, apple would be silly to make a bog standard lcd, apple keeps to the same pixel density across the line and if so a 19" would be silly, a 17" 1440
x900 would be ok, but 17| lcd's are too small for mac pro's and mini buyers will never buy apple lcd's anyway unless they are vein as hell.
i coulod care less about smaller monitors now, but they NEED to update the existing ones more. i know they just gave them a small update, but they're still horrible. for under $400 i can get the 20.1" viewsonic with tonnes of extra features, or i can splurge a bit more and get a samsung with composite inputs. these both have 'much faster response times (under 10ms) and higher contrast ratios. and the samsing has height adjustment and pivoting to work in portrait mode, which i think is essential for graphics and photogs, espescially in apple's "pro" level.
i was going to buy an apple 20", but even after 10 minutes of research i found that its no longer an option.
i was going to buy an apple 20", but even after 10 minutes of research i found that its no longer an option.
zap2 said:
The problem with this statement is that to many graphics professionals, a move from 23 to 24 inches would not be an upgrade. Why? Simple.... no one makes an s-IPS screen at 24" right now. Sure, they could offer both the 23 for people who need s-IPS and a 24 for people who don't, but they would have to do some serious marketing to explain to people why the 23" screen costs more than the 24"
Apple knows a large percentage of its user base consists of graphics pros... something people on this forum seem to forget. That's why they've chosen to go with the better (but more expensive) s-IPS screens.
I think they just need to add some features to their current lineup. For example, the 23" is definitely priced in the same ballpark as other 23" s-IPS screens (so stop comparing it to the Dell 2407, folks.) However, to be more competitive they need to add features like additional inputs. The fact that they only have one input is kinda lame...
Additional options for Mac Screens
With built-in video cameras now in some laptops, I think putting one into/onto the stand-alone screens makes sense. I also like the idea of an even larger screen; takes us further in the direction of Macs as entertainment centers.
With built-in video cameras now in some laptops, I think putting one into/onto the stand-alone screens makes sense. I also like the idea of an even larger screen; takes us further in the direction of Macs as entertainment centers.
They dont need another expensive screen... just drop the prices of the excisting ones! Its a sad day for apple when mac faithfulls like us recomends someone to buy a dell screen!
Its a sad day for apple when mac faithfulls like us recomends someone to buy a dell screen!
I think a 17" would sell well for Switchers, and people with a limited space and/or budget who desire the Apple ''look'' - matches the Mini perfectly.
I think the line up should be:
17", 20", 24" and 30" - all widescreen.
That way you've got your budget/switcher, student/limited space, experienced user/more space/graphics work and finally the big professional/production/I'm Just Rich-size.
Edit: Also, £100 off, across the line.
I think the line up should be:
17", 20", 24" and 30" - all widescreen.
That way you've got your budget/switcher, student/limited space, experienced user/more space/graphics work and finally the big professional/production/I'm Just Rich-size.
Edit: Also, £100 off, across the line.
If Apple lowered their 20" screen to £330 (currently £529) I'd buy one. Current price is ridiculous especially in the UK. I can buy a viewsonic or philips for the £300 at the same quality! So annoying.
I wouldn't buy a 17" ACD, although many might. I would happily buy a 23" ... just they're TOO EXPENSIVE. 26.5 is weird, and no, i wouldn't.
I wouldn't buy a 17" ACD, although many might. I would happily buy a 23" ... just they're TOO EXPENSIVE. 26.5 is weird, and no, i wouldn't.
I don't think Apple needs a 4th screen - but if they were to put one in, 17'' would be about right. I really think that the only major problem with the ACDs is with price. (Yes, there are other problems too, but for the mass market, it's just the price.)
They especially need to lower the price of the 23''. That is an incredibly sexy moniter, without going into the 30''-incredibly-wealthy-zone. Dell can offer pretty much the same thing, albeit uglier, at $700. No tax. Apple's best shot at the 23'' is about $950 if you're paying 6% tax and using the educational discount.
They especially need to lower the price of the 23''. That is an incredibly sexy moniter, without going into the 30''-incredibly-wealthy-zone. Dell can offer pretty much the same thing, albeit uglier, at $700. No tax. Apple's best shot at the 23'' is about $950 if you're paying 6% tax and using the educational discount.
New ACD
I don't think Apple would make a smaller ACD, because the need of the workspace is getting bigger and bigger; people normally want to get a bigger screen... no one would regress towards smaller monitors. Hence, Apple is always advancing itself to the high end tech, such as HD monitors.. 20" ACD doesn't even have enough resolution to run 1080i HD content. In conclusion, the smaller ACDs may not be likely to happen, but I'm sure it is a good idea to have more options for consumers.
I don't think Apple would make a smaller ACD, because the need of the workspace is getting bigger and bigger; people normally want to get a bigger screen... no one would regress towards smaller monitors. Hence, Apple is always advancing itself to the high end tech, such as HD monitors.. 20" ACD doesn't even have enough resolution to run 1080i HD content. In conclusion, the smaller ACDs may not be likely to happen, but I'm sure it is a good idea to have more options for consumers.
I just wish apple could get their act together and produce a 23" display that had correct color calibration (I saw new ones at the store last week (and I confirmed they were all within one month old) and they were already exhibiting PINK.
I want more resolution. I want Apple ID goodness. I want correct color.
I want more resolution. I want Apple ID goodness. I want correct color.
gnasher729 said:
LOL thats a good one! With all the technology being developed to address age related vision degredation Im sure this will be less and less of a problem as time goes on.
I like it how it is. A 24" would be rediculous next to the 20's and 30's for one reason- pixle density. 23" is 1920x1200 at the awesome 100 dpi. The 30 is perfect. If one is too little two is surely enough. When do you need a one piece interface that's larger than 2560x1600? Where do you get a wallpaper bigger than that?
Why make a small screen? If it's that tiny chances are you're not a pro doing pro stuff right then, so why do you need a super accurate display?
Why make a small screen? If it's that tiny chances are you're not a pro doing pro stuff right then, so why do you need a super accurate display?
dansgil said:
If Apple sold the 20 inch display for $400 I would buy one. How about making a 19 inch widescreen, Apple?
Looking at a viewsonic vx2025wm to replace my 19 inch CRT. (edit Purchased one labor Day weekend, Very happy so far. )Everytime I see an Apple display I want one then the price talks me out of it.
Zwhaler said:
Apple doesn't make the LCD's themselves, they come from other companies (in fact, the Dell and Apple 20 inch have the same screen, though different light)
I don't think these companies are willing to make a whole new form factor for one company, especially not in a high-end market.
Personally, I'd like to see a 20 incher with at least 1080 resolution, instead of just a bit less
I rate that ACD's are just getting bigger and bigger! Hoping for a 100" some time soon! Excellent for making roadside banners!