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If you're planning for a 8-9 yr stretch then yes absolutely splurge for the MacPro, it's very future proof

A Mac Pro is also more reliable than an iMac or Notebook and as a result is more likely to make the 8-9 yr stretch than the others which will probably die in the 4th/5th year or even less
 
If you're planning for a 8-9 yr stretch then yes absolutely splurge for the MacPro, it's very future proof

A Mac Pro is also more reliable than an iMac or Notebook and as a result is more likely to make the 8-9 yr stretch than the others which will probably die in the 4th/5th year or even less

Agreed. Stretching a Mac out to 9 years isn't possible unless it's a Mac Pro. And if you can, go with the 8-core Mac Pro. You can't add the extra 4 core later, and in 8 years, there'll be more than 8 cores standard! Plus, you can take the 8-core up to 32GB of RAM, which again, in under 8 years should be standard.
 
If it was possible to have all the memory on the 4-core, that would make it the machine to get ... but since the 8-core is the only choice for that, getting the low-end 8-core and bumping the graphics card would likely make the machine last far longer than the 4-core.

We seem to run into memory issues making the Macs crawl far faster than the slow GPUs becoming a problem.

Likely that will continue.
 
If you're planning for a 8-9 yr stretch then yes absolutely splurge for the MacPro, it's very future proof

A Mac Pro is also more reliable than an iMac or Notebook and as a result is more likely to make the 8-9 yr stretch than the others which will probably die in the 4th/5th year or even less

But it makes so little sense to do it this way. Buy a new iMac every 2 years from Apple's refurb store, sell the old one, and invest the money you didn't spend on the Mac Pro and you'll have more current hardware and more money in the bank.
 
so, i am thinking of getting the best possible mac i can afford which happens to be $3300 model Mac Pro, with the 8 cores. I want something that will last me that 8-9 years so i think it is a good idea to get the "best" right now, and people i have asked have said that this computer would probably last even longer.

should i go all out?

What are you planning to DO with the computer? All you say is you want it to last. But if all you are doing is reading e-mail a Mac Pro is total over kill and a waste of money.

Even the Mac Mini is so much faster then what you have now. The minim is not even comparable with a 800Mhz Pentium. It is orders of magnitude faster and lass than a third the price of the Mac Pro.

Frankly, if you are not running professional apps like Logic or Final Cut you do not need a mac Pro unless it is just for bragging rights.
 
If you're planning for a 8-9 yr stretch then yes absolutely splurge for the MacPro, it's very future proof

A Mac Pro is also more reliable than an iMac or Notebook and as a result is more likely to make the 8-9 yr stretch than the others which will probably die in the 4th/5th year or even less



that's not entirely true. it won't 'die' it just will be a lot slower than what is currently out.


proof? my grandma's 8 year old HP - 1GHz and 256MB RAM.

im sure there are some powerbook G3 users out there who would beg to differ... even the powerbook G4's date back too 2001.
 
that's not entirely true. it won't 'die' it just will be a lot slower than what is currently out.


proof? my grandma's 8 year old HP - 1GHz and 256MB RAM.

im sure there are some powerbook G3 users out there who would beg to differ... even the powerbook G4's date back too 2001.

Ah but you're talking about PPC/single CPU machines which IMO are more reliable than their new Intel dual core counterparts. Also they were less mass produced i.e. Apple wasn't as popular then and QC was relatively high because they had smaller numbers to deal with

With the recent popularity jump and use of Intel dual core CPUs in machines this isn't the case, everything is significantly more mass produced & QC has gone down significantly to meet deadlines/demand and these machines are using more & more powerful components in thinner and thinner chassis, which means parts are continually being cooked from the heat they generate and consequently lifespan gets shorter.

Apple mitigates this by increasing baseline fan speed to 2000rpm and whilst this will help, it also means the lifespan of the fans will be significantly shorter as a result. Eitherway something(s) will break sooner rather than later.

With the Mac Pro, its built like a tank, everything is properly cooled and there's ample space for air flow and the target audience is smaller and therefore QC is likely to be higher due to dealing with smaller units. Also from reading this forum user's have had minimal complaints compared to say...the MacBook/MacBook Pro/PowerBook forums

Generally desktops tend to outlast laptops, any exception is exactly that...an exception...not the norm
 
The latest issue of macworld benchtested the two new systems. Their conclusion was unless you had some very specialized, high powered software that could take full advantage of all eight cores, the quad was faster for everyday use.

If you're coming from a pentium 3 and are comfortable with the do it yourself thing, you could get an entry level mac mini, stick 4 gigs of ram and a 7200 rpm hard drive in it, and it would blow the doors of your p3 clean off. :D
 
If you're planning for a 8-9 yr stretch then yes absolutely splurge for the MacPro, it's very future proof

Even a Mac Pro is not designed to last nine years without replacement. It might make it that long, but I wouldn't be buying one with that as my aim. It might be the most future-proof system in Apple's lineup, but that does not mean it will last nine years.

The OP will be vastly better off buying a cheaper system and banking the savings, and replacing his computer more often. The degree by which he will win makes buying a Mac Pro the worst decision he could make.

Buying a cheaper system and replacing it more frequently will save him money: he accures interest on the banked savings, he does not have to worry about replacing components outside warranty (assuming he buys Applecare and replaces the machine every three years), does not have to replace his monitor (will an LCD last 9 years? Maybe, maybe not.) and he does not have to upgrade software. And he gets a brand new machine with the latest hardware and software and full warranty every three years. A new iMac is, I believe, more powerful than a three-year-old Power Mac. So the OP gets more power for less money by going the cheaper machine/more frequent purchase route than he does by buying a Pro.

Frankly, if he does anything else, he's an idiot.

But it makes so little sense to do it this way. Buy a new iMac every 2 years from Apple's refurb store, sell the old one, and invest the money you didn't spend on the Mac Pro and you'll have more current hardware and more money in the bank.

Agree. 100%. Quoted so that the OP gets the idea!

Also from reading this forum user's have had minimal complaints compared to say...the MacBook/MacBook Pro/PowerBook forums

Fallacious logic. There are less complaints about Mac Pros than about MacBooks because Apple sells less Mac Pros than they do MacBooks. What matters is the ratio of complaints per machine sold, not the absolute number of complaints. Unless you can provide that information, your observation that there are more complaints about MBs than MPs on this forum is competely meaningless.

(Not that I disagree with the premise - the Pro is built from server-grade parts and should be of higher quality, but I'd hate to see someone make a buying decision based on fallacious logic.)
 
ya know, i don't know what i plan to do with the pc, right now i say i'd be using it for basic stuff. but when i got the computer i have now, i dabbled in many different things with it. So if i decide to go all the way, it's nice to know that the computer is capable of doing pretty much anything i want it to do.
 
ya know, i don't know what i plan to do with the pc, right now i say i'd be using it for basic stuff. but when i got the computer i have now, i dabbled in many different things with it. So if i decide to go all the way, it's nice to know that the computer is capable of doing pretty much anything i want it to do.

That's poor logic. Buying an expensive machine because you might use it makes very little sense. You'll be further ahead buying the cheaper machine and, if you find your exhausting its capabilities, upgrading at that point.

The iMac is itself a very capable machine. They're used in many places for professional audio and video editing, for example. I highly doubt you'll run into the limitations given what you've said.

Look at it this way: most Mac Pro buyers buy one because they need it. Very few people shell out that much money on the basis that they "might" use it. It simply does not make sense.
 
Don't waste your money on the Mac Pro. You'll be further ahead by buying the linked refurb Mac, putting the savings in a savings account, and replacing the iMac every three years.

You figure that by spending $3300 you can buy a new Mac Pro and have it last 8-9 years. If you instead buy an iMac today, and put the remaining money in the bank at 5% interest, and buy a new iMac every three years, that same amount of money will last you 12 years. That's a 33-50% increase in the life of your computer, for the same amount of money. And that doesn't even include the money you could make back by selling the old iMacs as you replace them. If you factor that in, I'll wager you could make that $3300 last you more like 15 years!

And you get newer technology, newer software, etc. each time you upgrade. If you decided to upgrade the OS and iLife to match, you'd be spending more than $1000 extra just for software than you would by buying a new computer more frequently, which would include that software.

Poor financial decision any way you cut it, imo.

I think this ^ is very good advice.
 
if i were to get the Imac, i'd get the best base model i could buy, which would happen to be just $300 less then the quad mac pro. I don't like the Imac design.


I went to the apple store today and compared the Imac 3.06 to the quad mac pro.

the Imac was noticably slower then the quad mac pro, enough to put me off. the trip to the store today, solidified that the minimum model i want is the quad mac pro. I wouldn't want to go any lower.

i probably wouldn't go all the way anyways, and just settle on the quad core mac pro.
 
Even a Mac Pro is not designed to last nine years without replacement. It might make it that long, but I wouldn't be buying one with that as my aim. It might be the most future-proof system in Apple's lineup, but that does not mean it will last nine years.

The OP will be vastly better off buying a cheaper system and banking the savings, and replacing his computer more often. The degree by which he will win makes buying a Mac Pro the worst decision he could make.

Buying a cheaper system and replacing it more frequently will save him money: he accures interest on the banked savings, he does not have to worry about replacing components outside warranty (assuming he buys Applecare and replaces the machine every three years), does not have to replace his monitor (will an LCD last 9 years? Maybe, maybe not.) and he does not have to upgrade software. And he gets a brand new machine with the latest hardware and software and full warranty every three years. A new iMac is, I believe, more powerful than a three-year-old Power Mac. So the OP gets more power for less money by going the cheaper machine/more frequent purchase route than he does by buying a Pro.

Frankly, if he does anything else, he's an idiot.

Bit extreme. The OP's buying pattern is 8-9 yrs stretch, its obvious he's not the upgrade every 6 months/few years type. The buy/sell/upgrade method is not particularly fun either, you have to deal with the likes of craiglist/ebay where buyers can be difficult to deal with and/or try to swindle you and you often don't get a decent resale value especially in this Intel era where machine becomes obsolete the minute you press buy.

Also prices continue to go higher with new products, which means your savings will increasingly...decrease and you'd have to spend more to break even

By buying the pro it'll serve his uses for years to come and Apple won't outgrow an Intel 8 core Nehalem system anytime soon. Intel is their future and software is still catching up to hardware as it is. Granted he'd have to pay for OS/iLife upgrades if warranted

Fallacious logic. There are less complaints about Mac Pros than about MacBooks because Apple sells less
Mac Pros than they do MacBooks.

I kinda already said that...

What matters is the ratio of complaints per machine sold, not the absolute number of complaints. Unless you can provide that information, your observation that there are more complaints about MBs than MPs on this forum is competely meaningless.

I don't have numbers but i'd still argue that the ratio of complaints per machine sold in the case of notebooks is still higher than that of the Mac Pros but thats just me theorizing based on historical patterns of course
 
if i were to get the Imac, i'd get the best base model i could buy, which would happen to be just $300 less then the quad mac pro. I don't like the Imac design.


I went to the apple store today and compared the Imac 3.06 to the quad mac pro.

the Imac was noticably slower then the quad mac pro, enough to put me off. the trip to the store today, solidified that the minimum model i want is the quad mac pro. I wouldn't want to go any lower.

i probably wouldn't go all the way anyways, and just settle on the quad core mac pro.

Confirmation bias. Please, though, waste your money. For the price of the 8 core Mac Pro and a monitor you can buy 4 $850 iMac refurbs.

Those $850 computers were $1,100 a year ago.

I can't even continue. Such a bad purchase I can't argue with you about it. Please tell me you're not buying this on credit.
 
if i were to get the Imac, i'd get the best base model i could buy, which would happen to be just $300 less then the quad mac pro. I don't like the Imac design.

:confused: Why? If you're getting along fine on a 9-year old machine, and you're needs aren't changing, why would you opt for the most expensive iMac? A Mac Mini will be substantially faster than what you have now - you could easily buy one and be perfectly happy.

You asked whether you should go all out on a Mac Pro. The answer to that question is unarguably no. It sounds like you want to go all out and buy a Mac Pro. If that's the case, that's fine. There's nothing wrong with wanting to do so. But if you're legitimately looking for the best way to spend your money, buying a high-end iMac or Mac Pro is not it.

You also say the iMac is slower than the Pro. This is true. But in six years, your outdated Mac Pro will be slower than the brand-new iMac you could potentially have. In nine years, your Pro will be positively outdated. If speed matters, you're further ahead in the long run buying a new machine for often.

You said you don't like the iMac design because of upgrade limitations. But that becomes irrelevent when you're upgrading the machine every three years.

Bit extreme. The OP's buying pattern is 8-9 yrs why try to change it, its obvious he's not the upgrade every 6 months/few years type. The buy/sell/upgrade method is not particularly fun either, you have to deal with the likes of craiglist/ebay where buyers can be difficult to deal with and/or try to swindle you and you often don't get a decent resale value especially in this Intel era where machine becomes obsolete the minute you press buy.

Also prices continue to go higher with new products, which means your savings will increasingly...decrease and you'd have to spend more to break even

By buying the pro it'll serve his uses for years to come and Apple won't outgrow an Intel 8 core Nehalem system anytime soon. Intel is their future and software is still catching up to hardware as it is. Granted he'd have to pay for OS/iLife upgrades.

Because a three-year upgrade cycle is universally better than a nine-year upgrade cycle. It hardly makes sense to stick to a poorly thought out cycle simply because it's past precedent.

Macs also tend to hold their resale value very well. But as I pointed out, even without reselling the old Macs the OP's initial $3300 will last twelve years, whichis longer than eight to nine he predicts for a Mac Pro. Yes, prices will likely go up at least at the rate of inflation, but that doesn't change the final calculation much. Simply put, that money will last longer upgrading more often than it will buying one really good machine today. This is even truer if you factor in both the cost of upgrading software and the money returned by selling off the old systems.

As to timelines... nine years ago Apple was shipping dual 500MHz G5 Power Macs as their top-line machine. Nine years is a long time in the computer world. I certainly would not want to be using a nine year old machine, no matter how good it was in its day.

The OP exresses concern that the iMac is slower than the Pro. How will he feel in eight years, when his Mac Pro is being outperformed by the future Mac Mini?

In reality, from every consideration, buying a Pro makes no sense. Unless the OP absolutely needs the power today, or absolutely needs the expandability, multiple monitor support, or options (like fibre channel card), a Pro is not a logical choice.
 
Apple changed between two entirely different processor architectures. It's understandable they won't have the same type of legacy support that x86 faithful Windows will have.

Except that isn't the reason you get pitiful support from Apple. The reason is their long standing policy of not providing security updates for anything except the current and the prior OS release.
 
Lots and Lots of posts

Whoa boy... calm down calm down.

For me, buying a MacPro was based off the following three features in importance:

1. Memory
2. Internal Storage
3. GPU
4. CPU

When I got my 07 Macbook I was stoked that I could max at 2GB RAM. Now that's bare bottom for me. Even the 4GB cap on the current models seems like it'll be good for a year before I'd be aching for more. I loved that I could go up to 32GB in a Mac Pro. To me - that equaled several years of expandability.

2nd, While external drives are cheap, I got sick of moving things around because I'd run out of space. Upgrading a HD in an iMac is what... a 7 on the difficulty scale now that the back panel doesn't lift off? I loved the idea of having 4TB's (heck, now 8TB's) possible in the MacPro - once again, several years future proof for me.

I've never had a Mac with a solid GPU. I had the GeFX5200?? 32MB card in my PB, and the Integrated Intel POS 64MB shared in my Macbook. Now I have a decent ATI Card in there and am eyeing the 4870 upgrade. I don't do gaming, but if I can really utilize Core Animation and Core Image features then I'm all for it. Enter Snow Leopard and bring it on! I'm not limited to a hardware wired in GPU, whether integrated or independent. I do Graphics and Photos, my Macbook melts whenever I do simple layer effects in Photoshop. My MacPro screams along...

Anyways, this is getting longer than I meant. The iMac is great, but I could never go back after getting a MacPro. While I'm not shooting for 8-9 years, I am banking on 4-5. I believe 32GB's will still be a lot in 5 years, so I feel pretty safe on that. 8 cores will probably be more of a standard, but I use more RAM than CPU for what I do.

Mr OP - Get that 8-core, top it out. Live it up for several years. You're like me, you like to keep what you get. Upgrading always sounds cool, but you never want to dive into the hassle. If you can afford it (sans Credit) jump on it. You won't regret it, it'll scream. Venture into video or photography or music. Find new hobbies to test your system. Like you said, just cause you don't doesn't mean you won't.

Happy buying!!
 
Really?

Considering Apple's policy of screwing their customers, I would not recommend buying any Apple product and expecting to use it for 8 to 9 years.

As the owner of a new quad 2.66 MacPro server I take exception to your "screwed" comment. I have owned apple products since 1978 and I have yet to be 'screwed'. After buying and reviewing dozens of Apple computers for our graphics IT division I believe I am qualified to recommend Apple products, so please spare us your opinion which exhibits a lack of expertise.

Buy the new quad w/16GB RAM if you can afford it, you won't be disappointed.
 
Except that isn't the reason you get pitiful support from Apple. The reason is their long standing policy of not providing security updates for anything except the current and the prior OS release.

What a laugh. If you prefer Vista, go for it, but I would like to hear from ANYONE that has had a security problem or a virus running OS X.
 
What a laugh. If you prefer Vista, go for it, but I would like to hear from ANYONE that has had a security problem or a virus running OS X.

I have lots of security problems running OS X. And never had a virus in Windows. ;)

Folks should really stop blowing steam on an minuscule issue; if OS X was the majority player, every exploitation would be penetrated beyond control.
 
I think the question of "do you need it?" is irrelevant, as quite obviously you don't.

SO, let's go with the real question here, "How much do you WANT it?", or the more practical question of "How much cash do you have?"

I struggle with the iWant battle too, but 'luckily' my cash is somewhat tied up and too hard earned to give up so easily.

I'll play devil's advocate here and tell you what I think you want to hear...
- "BUY IT!!" (and you'll have at least one jealous SOB right here...) :eek:
 
Though I strongly agree with the overwhelming consensus in this thread to buy a lower end machine replace it every few years. If you are resolute on the idea of a machine lasting nine years for your basic uses then definitely go for the 8 core Mac Pro.

I would look at machines of nine years ago for comparible models based on hierarchy.

2000
Base iMac G3 350Mhz
Top iMac G3 500Mhz
Base PowerMac G4 400Mhz
Mid PowerMac G4 2x450Mhz

2009
Base iMac C2D 2.66Ghz
Top iMac C2D 3.06Ghz
Base Mac Pro Quad 2.66Ghz
Mid Range Mac Pro Octo 2.26Ghz

Nine years ago people would be saying the same thing about buying the Dual 450 G4 nine years ago. But today that would be running circles around those other models for your uses.

Now if I wanted a stricter CPU comparison I would have to switch the Gigabit G4 400Mhz with a later model DA G4 single 533Mhz. In which case I would still greatly prefer the dual 450mhz Gigabit Ethernet.

However if you followed the path most here recommend, including myself. Sell the machine every four years and go with the base model iMac.

2000 iMac G3 350mhz 15"
2004 iMac G5 1.6Ghz 17"
2008 iMac Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz 20"

Each of these machines would have been superb for your uses and lasted till the next four year upgrade and total costs would be similar to an 8 core MP. But as you can see from above the mid cycle 1.6Ghz G5 iMac blew the high end dual 450mhz G4 out of the water. It is true you could have upgraded the G4 a lot and outperform the G5 iMac but that would have cost a lot of money and defeat the purpose of the 9 year replacement cycle. As the massive upgrading would essentially be a new system cost wise.
 
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