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Should I keep my iPhone 6 Plus at iOS 8.4 ?

whohasaquestion said:
It's logical to arrive at my conclusion.

If you have the same problem as millions others...maybe just maybe there is something going on.
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That's asuming that millions of others actually have the same issue and for the same reasons. That's also overlooking that there are quite likely or at least possibly hundreds of millions that are not having that issue.

And, sure, there can be at least seemingly logical link between things, but that by itself doesn't necessarily mean that's actually the case given that there can be other potential links that can be logical too. There's the whole "correlation doesn't equal causation" concept that demonstrates that aspect. It's not just down to what possible per se, but more about what's more plausible and can have more reasonable support.
 
C DM said:
That's asuming that millions of others actually have the same issue and for the same reasons. That's also overlooking that there are quite likely or at least possibly hundreds of millions that are not having that issue.

And, sure, there can be at least seemingly logical link between things, but that by itself doesn't necessarily mean that's actually the case given that there can be other potential links that can be logical too. There's the whole "correlation doesn't equal causation" concept that demonstrates that aspect. It's not just down to what possible per se, but more about what's more plausible and can have more reasonable support.
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Do I believe the hundreds of millions others or do I look at my original iPhone, iPhone 4, and iPhone 6 that all went noticeably slower after updates? And when I read million others having the same experience as mine. You tell me, whether I drew my conclusion logically or not.
 
whohasaquestion said:
Do I believe the hundreds of millions others or do I look at my original iPhone, iPhone 4, and iPhone 6 that all went noticeably slower after updates? And when I read million others having the same experience as mine. You tell me, whether I drew my conclusion logically or not.
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Well, again, I'm not certain where we can read about millions of others having the same experience. But even that aside, again, no one is saying that the conclusion isn't logical, just that there are other logical possibilities as well, and without anything else to it aside from that some of the other ones come off as more plausible and thus likely than the more conspiratorial and thus complex ones.
 
You have faith in Apple. I get that.

What I posted is strictly my personal opinion and I tell it as it is. For you to shut it down like I am just accusing Apple without a strong case is insulting...like I have to chase down another hundreds of million to draw my conclusion...

Listen, my experience is what matters to me the most. I don't care if yours runs fine after a decade or two. If mine runs bad after two updates I am going to tell it as it is. Get it?

Thank you.
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C DM said:
Well, again, I'm not certain where we can read about millions of others having the same experience. But even that aside, again, no one is saying that the conclusion isn't logical, just that there are other logical possibilities as well, and without anything else to it aside from that some of the other ones come off as more plausible and thus likely than the more conspiratorial and thus complex ones.
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Sure, there are other conclusions to draw. Maybe they just suck at coding. Can't rule it out, can you? Thank you for being the voice of reason. I smell bad fish, I call it rotten. Is that simple?
 
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whohasaquestion said:
You have faith in Apple. I get that.

What I posted is strictly my personal opinion and I tell it as it is. For you to shut it down like I am just accusing Apple without a strong case is insulting...like I have to chase down another hundreds of million to draw my conclusion...

Listen, my experience is what matters to me the most. I don't care if yours runs fine after a decade or two. If mine runs bad after two updates I am going to tell it as it is. Get it?

Thank you.
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Sure, there are other conclusions to draw. Maybe they just suck at coding. Can't rule it out, can you? I don't need you to tell me the other possible conclusions to consider. I smell bad fish, I call it rotten. Is that simple?
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No one is saying others can't have their opinions. Simply commenting on it all and discussing it all. By the way, not seeing a sinister conspiracy as a more likely reality than some simpler more plausible ones doesn't mean having faith in something or someone--things aren't always just either this or that, there's plenty of middle ground between the extremes.
 
I haven't even mentioned about my iPad 3.

Sure, there can be a middle ground, and if it makes you comfortable and happy, all the better.

"Not seeing" is a rather blind statement. Just google or search this forum to read similar complaints. This is not a 2017 conspiracy. Not seeing...unless you choose to 'not believing'.
 
No of course not, there is literally no reason for you to ever be on an OS older than that which is the current available for your device.

Users are the last people who should be deciding what version of an OS they should be on.
 
OriginalAppleGuy said:
Here's a thread with all kinds of people happy using older iPhones. Post 31 is where the OP there is using his 5S on 10 with no issues. When did that phone come out again? Oh yeah, Sept '13 or 4 1/2 years ago. They must all be blind there as Apple surely puts code in all newer OS's to disable the old ones.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/who-still-owns-an-iphone-5s-or-older.2036228/
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Great to hear the OP's 5s is running fine with iOS10. And admittedly, some people have better luck with older device than others. I don't doubt that.

But for every 'success' story, the same can be found on the opposite side. For example:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ipad-2.2034946/

Read through the thread, not just the OP complaining about his iPad 2 but others having similar issue with other devices.

So the conspiracy continues...and for good reason.
 
TurboPGT! said:
No of course not, there is literally no reason for you to ever be on an OS older than that which is the current available for your device.

Users are the last people who should be deciding what version of an OS they should be on.
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Well, certainly not literally given that the simple reason of at least some older versions preforming better in some senses like UI response and the like, or potential loss or change in how some features work, for example. Now whether or not that outweighs various other benefits of being on a more current version, that's a slightly different question.
 
Steve121178 said:
If it were up to me, I'd block those devices from accessing the internet until they accepted a mandatory upgrade! They are putting themselves and others at risk!

Security, security, security!
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Exactly. When something goes wrong, they blame Apple when Apple warns people that older firmware can open doors to hackers.
 
Steve121178 said:
If it were up to me, I'd block those devices from accessing the internet until they accepted a mandatory upgrade! They are putting themselves and others at risk!

Security, security, security!
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Please advise us when you remove your tinfoil hat.

No one gives a damn about your text messages between you and your mother.
 
foxconn said:
Please advise us when you remove your tinfoil hat.

No one gives a damn about your text messages between you and your mother.
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It's all data, not just text messages. Educate yourself.

Quite a few years ago now, I worked in this area of 'data collection' for the UK Govt when setting up the infrastructure to capture the data that passes through all UK phone networks (expanded to all ISP's etc). Coincidentally, it's the Government that exploits vulnerabilities for their own gains despite capturing all traffic anyway. The Government rarely notifies software companies of the holes in their software, they prefer the open-door approach. If the Government can do it, any criminal who wants to can.

In short, don't be so naive when it comes to security.
 
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whohasaquestion said:
Great to hear the OP's 5s is running fine with iOS10. And admittedly, some people have better luck with older device than others. I don't doubt that.

But for every 'success' story, the same can be found on the opposite side. For example:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ipad-2.2034946/

Read through the thread, not just the OP complaining about his iPad 2 but others having similar issue with other devices.

So the conspiracy continues...and for good reason.
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Okay - read through the whole thing. So the iPad 2 was available in 2011? I have the air 2 myself. So when 10 came out it was 5/6 years old. Coming from a strong IT background, I may look at it a lot differently than you. For instance, we upgrade our systems as follows:

  • PCs - 5 years
  • Laptops - 3 years
  • Enterprise systems such as x86 / Unix servers and storage - 5 years.
There are many reasons why we do this. One is warranty. The other is efficiencies increase with each new generation of hardware. That's real important in a power and space hungry datacenter. Laptops are 3 years because lots of stuff is packed in a small space. The heat creates problems for components and they will begin to fail more often. Also - the portability subjects them to more vibrations and other factors that can cause harm over time. There are also HW / BIOS security upgrades we need.

That Apple continues to support older devices, or allows them to upgrade as they are aged is both a big plus and apparently a minus for some. New features and plugging security holes are the plus'. But, the hardware capabilities increase over time and they develop the OS with more features so people will get excited for something new. The iPad 2 has 512 MB RAM to work with compared to the 2 GB of the Air 2. That's huge.
 
Security update can be on its own without force updating an entire iOS.

You guys are talking like security alone is reason enough for updating an entire iOS. It won't matter how secured the device is when it's rendered useless by a new iOS.
 
Generally the .x or .x.x releases are bug and security updates. The X. releases generally provide changes but they are not really new OS's. The underlying code is generally similar to the previous version. The Kernel is key here.

Too many people play down security and how important it is. That could be why many of us make a bigger deal of it than others. No way I would ever consider Android for that reason alone. Outside of that, Android is known for releasing operating systems that devices STILL selling cannot update to. The complete opposite of Apple.
 
OriginalAppleGuy said:
Generally the .x or .x.x releases are bug and security updates. The X. releases generally provide changes but they are not really new OS's. The underlying code is generally similar to the previous version. The Kernel is key here.

Too many people play down security and how important it is. That could be why many of us make a bigger deal of it than others. No way I would ever consider Android for that reason alone. Outside of that, Android is known for releasing operating systems that devices STILL selling cannot update to. The complete opposite of Apple.
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Not playing down the importance of security. But what Android and Windows have been doing is to provide security update to older OS.

You have to ask why Apple can't do the same.
 
whohasaquestion said:
Not playing down the importance of security. But what Android and Windows have been doing is to provide security update to older OS.

You have to ask why Apple can't do the same.
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Potentially iOS is designed differently. It's also more in their interest to support the latest version than many other versions making it more work for themselves and supporting more potential fragmentation that isn't helpful.
 
It will be crippled. Literally crippled. Stay on 8.4.1. Its the best iOS for the iPhone 6 series. The newer versions are designed to slow down your phone
 
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