look, i'm not sure how much trust i can place in a guy that makes design choices based on his striped shirt. that's the last straw.
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Should Scott Forstall have stayed at Apple?
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He's not just a money man. He transformed Apple's logistical network to allow them to meet the incredible demand generated by iPhone and iPad.
What people forget is that Steve Jobs selected Tim Cook to be the new CEO; he was the best person in the senior team to lead the organisation - indeed he already had been doing for a long while during the latter part of Steve Jobs' illness . Jobs didn't pick Ive as CEO and certainly didn't pick Forstall. I suspect that Forstall had a chip on his shoulder and thought he should have been CEO, so was less inclined to take direction from Cook. It came to a head over Apple Maps and Forstall probably overstepped the mark one time too many.
I think the changes Cook put into place will work well and am looking forward to WWDC. Last year's was very dull. Bring it on.
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1. Flat doesn't mean boring
2. Android is far from boring.
3. The redesign is to freshen up the stale OS that is iOS 6.
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People have been wanting a complete redesign of iOS for a while now. Let's see what Ive offers before we bash him.
Good for you. In the MacRumors community, at least, you seem to be in the minority.
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Number one rule when working together on a project: celebrate successes as a team and pull together and address failures cohesively as a team.
From what I've read about Forstall, he sounds like he is the type that likes to take all the credit when things are successful; but when the stuff hits the fan, he starts pointing fingers and deflecting personal responsibility.
Doesn't sound like someone I'd like to have on my team.
The majority of people just regurgitate what they hear on the news and not experience it for themselves.
And that is my response for your entire post. All we hear is one side of the story, from the news. Do we know Forstall's side? No. You know how judges (like the one presiding over the DOJ vs Apple case) are supposed to withhold judgement until all the facts are in? We should all do the same outside of court.
Maybe the media is right, maybe they're wrong. But I'm certainly not going to assume one version of the story before hearing the complete story.
You'd think though if what we've heard is so wrong somewhere we would have gotten the other side. The most I saw was a post from John Gruber saying Forstall wasn't universally disliked at least within those who worked under him.
Apple's design and UI is outdated. It is time for a change. It doesn't matter if you think "flat" is associated with Android devices, that would only be because you don't know or understand what it is. If you compare iOS and Android UI today, it is clear which one is outdated.
You complain about Apple not innovating, yet you want to keep the same old UI that was first released in 2007?
You complain about Apple not innovating, yet you want to keep the same old UI that was first released in 2007?
No, flat usually mean flat. But we sometimes use "flat" as way to say that something was boring, a use that clearly does not apply to the "leaks", because clearly then "flat" mean literally "flat", which mean less texture dans real-material illusion.
Having a flat tire doesn't mean a tire that is boring to look at.
The OP asked in a public forum whether the public at large thinks Scott Forstall should've stayed at Apple. I gave my opinion based on the information I have at present. Nothing more, nothing less.
If the "other side" (Forstall) ever offers up his perspective, my opinion could change; but the "other side" has been completely silent. Just because one party in an argument chooses not to argue their case, it doesn't preclude third parties from forming opinions.
Steve Jobs wholly expected Tim Cook to lead Apple Tim Cook's way, not Steve's way. He even specifically told Tim that under no circumstances were they to sit around and wonder "What would Steve do?".
Forstall was okay while Steve was there because Forstall had enough respect for Steve to reign himself in. With Steve gone, Forstall was no longer compatible at Apple and with him being unwilling to adapt, there was no place for him. No need to feel bad for Forstall, he's already made more than enough money to live luxuriously for the rest of his life.