Sick and tired of the 4-inch screen

[MWPULSE]

hahah this is hilarious! As the Samsung Galaxy's and such like came on the market a coupla years back, with their 4" and 4.3" screens all I ever read on here was... "apple needs to make a new phone screen thats 4" else I'm not gonna buy it! wahhh" that kinda thing...

As soon as Apple come out with the 4" iPhone 5, people start complaining about the screen dimensions again!... Me, personally, I don't think I could go back to the 3GS and that size screen. I was using my mums 4S, it honestly felt weird in my hand! I like the 5's screen size, they seem to of gotten it right! (no doubt the battery life has taken a hit, but I'm sure they are working on it for the 5S.)

I can easily reach all the functionality of the iP5 in one hand. I do generally find it easier to type 2-handed mind. Even on the 3Gs this was the case!

I can't understand all your complaints to be honest, Apple had a 3.5" screen, moved it up a notch to 4". Presumably cos thats where the market is now (in 4" screens) and people are still complaining about it? I have small hands by most margins, and I can reach the corners easily enough. Makes me think, maybe you are all holding it wrong? lol...

 

[DodgeV83]

A thin phone and marginally better battery life is not the end all be all of a phone. There are a lot of people out there that don't want a thin/light phone. My Note 2 will run circles around your battery life and is every bit as quick with a giant ass screen and an OS that will also run circles around your phone.

I never said anything about wanting the iPhone 5. I said it's clearly not 2011 tech.

Every browsing battery life test shows the iPhone 5 beats the Note 2:

http://blog.gsmarena.com/samsung-galaxy-note-ii-battery-life-test-is-complete-here-are-the-results/

Speaking of performance, just yesterday a co-worker was showing me something on his Note 2, and simply scrolling down a webpage was fantastically laggy. It wasn't responding to his swipes for multiple seconds, when it finally did respond, it moved the page down a fraction of the length he was scrolling, if at all, and he was getting quite annoyed as it was taking forever to scroll to the bottom of the page.

You can see similar things in the Verge review of the Nexus 10. Look at this 5 second clip, it was this x10, especially highlighted when he's trying to pinch-to-zoom and the screen just doesn't respond:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Dt1ZKiZaem8#t=78s

He said this only happens on that one specific site, but I pulled it up on my iPhone 5 and it was butter smooth.

I won't talk about the big screen or the OS, because those are subjective. From a completely technical point of view, the iPhone 5 is superior in all of these aspects.

 

[Rocko1]

Went and looked at the Windows phone Lumia 920. Man that thing has a nice screen. Vibrant, sharp, nice. But, even with the dual core 1.5ghz chip, the scrolling is not good. Slight studdering, etc.

 

[Sedrick]

Went and looked at the Windows phone Lumia 920. Man that thing has a nice screen. Vibrant, sharp, nice. But, even with the dual core 1.5ghz chip, the scrolling is not good. Slight studdering, etc.

I wonder if this isn't site dependent? I go to HDforums for example and scrolling on my iPad 2 is horribly laggy. Almost unusable. Before these comments are made, the exact same site should be visited with an iPhone at the same time. And maybe a fresh re-boot of both phones for a proper test.

 

[Rocko1]

I wonder if this isn't site dependent? I go to HDforums for example and scrolling on my iPad 2 is horribly laggy. Almost unusable. Before these comments are made, the exact same site should be visited with an iPhone at the same time. And maybe a fresh re-boot of both phones for a proper test.

The lag was just in the OS. Just not as smooth as the iPhone's OS.

 

[DodgeV83]

I wonder if this isn't site dependent? I go to HDforums for example and scrolling on my iPad 2 is horribly laggy. Almost unusable. Before these comments are made, the exact same site should be visited with an iPhone at the same time. And maybe a fresh re-boot of both phones for a proper test.

Hdforums.com? Any specific page on that site? I just tried on my iPad mini and didn't see any issues.

 

[Alx9876]

If you waited two years, you must have been on the iP4 correct? So you're saying that from the iP4 to the iP5, the only difference is LTE and slightly larger screen??

The idiocy astounds me.....

Even compared with the 4S (2011 tech as you say) the 5 is almost 3 times as fast CPU wise, double the GPU power (which was already double your precious GS3), the display is almost pure sRGB whereas the 4S was at maybe 60-70% of the color gamut (can't remember the exact numbers - suffice it to say, the 5's screen is NOTICEABLY better and arguably the best mobile display out there. Not even worth comparing the GS3's fake color reproduction and pentile matrix to it).

Then add similar battery life (with all that added power), LTE, a thinner, lighter and more durable design and a faster port connector.....I honestly don't understand what people like you expect out of yearly refreshes....

Personally, I think you're more butthurt about iOS 6 - which, understandably has gotten a little stale and had its issues.....but to say the iP5's hardware isn't an upgrade from the 4 or even the 4S (and a considerable one at that) is laughable. The iP5 beats every other smartphone in GPU power, display quality, it's up there in battery life, CPU AND its one of the thinnest on the market.....

By the way - screen size IS NOT an upgrade. Something so subjective cannot be construed as keeping a device like the iPhone 5 relegated to "2011 tech". If I took the GS3 and changed ONLY the screen size, that wouldn't be an advancement.....it would simply be a bigger (more cumbersome) phone...

Sorry for not clarifying myself. The iPhone 5 is upgraded allot compared to the iPhone 4. Not so much from the 4s. I could care less about the speed when the display is still tiny plus small battery.

iOS6 was a real bad let down alone. They took away two of my everyday apps then tell me to enjoy. No thanks.

The iPhone 5 is in so many ways is 2011 tech. It's nothing more than a 4S-S at best.

It's ok but not great. My GS3 already has iPhone 5s tech inside it and came out months prior to the iP5.

At the time I had no idea that I would end up with a GS3. Thats my honest answer. I was not moved or impressed with the iP5 at all.

Web browsing is useless if you can't even see the screen. Better to pull out my iPad for web browsing. Again another problem. I should be able to do this on a smartphone and actually see the screen.

Hopefully we will get a 4.8 inch display from iPhone 6-9. Whichever comes first.

PS

You sound like my brother trying to sell me on something I am already familiar with. The browser doesn't lag on my GS3 or on the Note 2. Again discrepancies about other cell phones that are not true.

I never came on here saying what is the superior phone. I did say in my post history recently that I am willing to compromise on the OS in exchange for a bigger 4.8 inch display that is btw 720P.

 

[Digital Skunk]

I wonder if this isn't site dependent? I go to HDforums for example and scrolling on my iPad 2 is horribly laggy. Almost unusable. Before these comments are made, the exact same site should be visited with an iPhone at the same time. And maybe a fresh re-boot of both phones for a proper test.

I doubt they will. Most will continue to state unsubstantiated claims with no evidence to back them up. They will continue to be utter robots and use the word "laggy" for anything that has to do with Android.

Forget connection speed, site load during heavy traffic or all of the other hardware that goes into loading a page. When confront ed about it, a simple "I tried it with my iOS device" will be the rebuttal.

Mind you, I am typing this on a Note2 with a video window open as well as Evernote in the upper section of my screen. No lag here.

 

[Zerilos]

Holy cow. None of the propaganda you just wrote is even remotely true. Not when the iPhone 5 was released and not now. You wrote patently false statements that would make even diehard Apple loyalists cringe.

I'm yet to see a phone that beats the iPhone 5 in benchmarks for speed and graphics. It will happen eventually of course, but the 5 is demonstrably the best phone on the market in terms of performance. Honestly its not even close right now.

 

[DodgeV83]

I doubt they will. Most will continue to state unsubstantiated claims with no evidence to back them up. They will continue to be utter robots and use the word "laggy" for anything that has to do with Android.

Forget connection speed, site load during heavy traffic or all of the other hardware that goes into loading a page. When confront ed about it, a simple "I tried it with my iOS device" will be the rebuttal.

Mind you, I am typing this on a Note2 with a video window open as well as Evernote in the upper section of my screen. No lag here.

While my example is site dependent, Rocko1's example isn't. I showed a video example of the Nexus 10 lagging and stuttering on www.theverge.com, but I did not take a video of my co-worker's Note 2 while it was stuttering. The reviewer from The Verge mentioned "general Android lagginess" while it was happening, so it didn't sound like anything they hadn't experienced before.

Connection speed, site load...etc, is not relevant once the page has fully loaded and your phone is lagging while attempting to scroll through it. I can take a video comparison next time I'm in the office if you'd like, but it might be a while. Would you like to upload a video of you testing the site on your phone to see if it lags? All I can tell you is what I saw, and I saw lag

 

[WilliamG]

You can see similar things in the Verge review of the Nexus 10. Look at this 5 second clip, it was this x10, especially highlighted when he's trying to pinch-to-zoom and the screen just doesn't respond:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Dt1ZKiZaem8#t=78s

He said this only happens on that one specific site, but I pulled it up on my iPhone 5 and it was butter smooth.

I won't talk about the big screen or the OS, because those are subjective. From a completely technical point of view, the iPhone 5 is superior in all of these aspects.

One of many reasons iPads/iPhones simply can't be beaten. The interface needs to ALWAYS respond, every time.

 

[DodgeV83]

The iPhone 5 is in so many ways is 2011 tech. It's nothing more than a 4S-S at best.

It's ok but not great. My GS3 already has iPhone 5s tech inside it and came out months prior to the iP5.

I repeat, in what ways is the iPhone 5 2011 tech?

I have shown evidence that the iPhone 5 performs significantly better than the S3. I have shown evidence that the S3 actually lags behind phones released as far back as early 2011, such the S2/iPhone 4S.

What can you show to substantiate your claim that the iPhone 5 is 2011 tech?

 

[Alx9876]

Yeah Lag indeed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YginQUkrJ50&list=UUBJycsmduvYEL83R_U4JriQ&index=4

 

[Digital Skunk]

While my example is site dependent, Rocko1's example isn't. I showed a video example of the Nexus 10 lagging and stuttering on www.theverge.com, but I did not take a video of my co-worker's Note 2 while it was stuttering. The reviewer from The Verge mentioned "general Android lagginess" while it was happening, so it didn't sound like anything they hadn't experienced before.

Connection speed, site load...etc, is not relevant once the page has fully loaded and your phone is lagging while attempting to scroll through it. I can take a video comparison next time I'm in the office if you'd like, but it might be a while. Would you like to upload a video of you testing the site on your phone to see if it lags? All I can tell you is what I saw, and I saw lag

You don't have to worry about the video at all. In the end it's what you saw and what I see vs what I saw and what you see. The main point is that we should be making clear that it's a personal experience. A reviewer on a site has just as much ignorance as the next user, or may be using a device that has who knows what going on with it. And most reviewers opinions are moot once it gets into the hands of the end user.

I could mention how, after two years of working at Apple and another three years at a university, I see many an iPhone not able to keep up with the Android handsets and how many that use them are really just making calls and checking email, but that'd be moot, since that's not everywhere.

Yeah Lag indeed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YginQUkrJ50&list=UUBJycsmduvYEL83R_U4JriQ&index=4

Or this one

It's like some folks really believe there's no counter argument to their claims, and if you have one then you must be lying.

 

[Alx9876]

I repeat, in what ways is the iPhone 5 2011 tech?

I have shown evidence that the iPhone 5 performs significantly better than the S3. I have shown evidence that the S3 actually lags behind phones released as far back as early 2011, such the S2/iPhone 4S.

What can you show to substantiate your claim that the iPhone 5 is 2011 tech?

The so called upgrades are all minimal at best. The Cam is basically the same as the 4s as well.
-No 13 MP cam,
-No 720P or 1080P,
-No NFC, small screen 4 inch is the same as 3.5 inch nothing new there,
-4G/LTE I don't consider it as upgrade because it should have had this long time ago, So minus points for being 2 years late as they are late with the bigger screen till present,
-No widgets (Something Apple created back in 2005) but never included,
Browser being fast and nice is pointless with a tiny small screen so no point in using it in the first place, Goes back to my other point above.

I use everyday my GS3 and no it doesn't lag. I hate lag and would have noticed this long time ago.

You are nit picking and baiting me into "What is a better product argument". I know full well what the iP5 is all about. The bottom line is that it doesn't meet my needs at all.

Previous iPhones were awesome but not anymore.

 

[DodgeV83]

Yeah Lag indeed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YginQUkrJ50&list=UUBJycsmduvYEL83R_U4JriQ&index=4

A video where the vast majority of the time is spent talking about the phone, does not refute someone saying they've seen lag on the phone while browsing.

How about this video of someone complaining about the lag between pressing the ON button, and the phone turning on? You only need to watch the first 10 seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=II7FwNEWBMk#t=78s

 

[Alx9876]

Nice video. But that stuff can all be adjusted. S voice usually is the reason behind it. S voice almost all the time turns on at the same time you hit the home button. Everything can be adjusted, turned off or fixed.

Nothing in that video warrants not buying the device. I customized what I needed to my liking and everything is fast and smooth.

To each his own. With that said there is no right or wrong answers. You are talking to a long time iPhone user and Apple loyalist let me remind you. But the iP5 doesn't do anything for me that I cant get somewhere else on a bigger display.

Good day sir.

 

[DodgeV83]

The so called upgrades are all minimal at best. The Cam is basically the same as the 4s as well.
-No 13 MP cam,
-No 720P or 1080P,
-No NFC, small screen 4 inch is the same as 3.5 inch nothing new there,
-4G/LTE I don't consider it as upgrade because it should have had this long time ago, So minus points for being 2 years late as they are late with the bigger screen till present,
-No widgets (Something Apple created back in 2005) but never included,
Browser being fast and nice is pointless with a tiny small screen so no point in using it in the first place, Goes back to my other point above.

I use everyday my GS3 and no it doesn't lag. I hate lag and would have noticed this long time ago.

You are nit picking and baiting me into "What is a better product argument". I know full well what the iP5 is all about. The bottom line is that it doesn't meet my needs at all.

Previous iPhones were awesome but not anymore.

Your argument is like pointing at a brand new Laptop with a top of the line Quad-Core i7 CPU, NVidia GeForce GTX 690, with the thinnest profile and the best wireless battery life ever seen in a Laptop, then calling it "2011 tech" because the webcam is still 720p, the screen is still 15" and it has HDMI instead of Thunderbolt.

Technically you aren't wrong, because those things all existed in 2011 phones...but you're missing the point.

 

[Zerilos]

Obviously if having a screen larger than 4" and widgets is a must have then no current iPhone will meet your needs. If you're looking for a compact, stable and secure device with the best SoC currently on the market then the iPhone 5 would be your preference.

 

[DodgeV83]

You don't have to worry about the video at all. In the end it's what you saw and what I see vs what I saw and what you see. The main point is that we should be making clear that it's a personal experience. A reviewer on a site has just as much ignorance as the next user, or may be using a device that has who knows what going on with it. And most reviewers opinions are moot once it gets into the hands of the end user.

I could mention how, after two years of working at Apple and another three years at a university, I see many an iPhone not able to keep up with the Android handsets and how many that use them are really just making calls and checking email, but that'd be moot, since that's not everywhere.



Or this one

It's like some folks really believe there's no counter argument to their claims, and if you have one then you must be lying.

Unfortunately, that video highlights the point about the Note 2 GPU, as even he has to admit it lags when playing Nova 3. I have a friend with the Nexus (not the newest phone I know), and he was amazed how smoothly it ran on my iPhone 5.

While typing this my co-worker sent me an IM complaining about the lag between ending a call and getting back to the home screen on his Note 2. I'm not making this stuff up

In any case, the thread took this turn because Alx9876 claimed the iPhone 5 is "2011 tech", I think we're off on a tangent now

 

[Digital Skunk]

Unfortunately, that video highlights the point about the Note 2 GPU, as even he has to admit it lags when playing Nova 3. I have a friend with the Nexus (not the newest phone I know), and he was amazed how smoothly it ran on my iPhone 5.

While typing this my co-worker sent me an IM complaining about the lag between ending a call and getting back to the home screen on his Note 2. I'm not making this stuff up

In any case, the thread took this turn because Alx9876 claimed the iPhone 5 is "2011 tech", I think we're off on a tangent now

Not a problem, I would have to agree that the iPhone 5 isn't 2011 tech. A little of the same, but not 2011. The same could go for a lot of devices.

 

[DodgeV83]

Nice video. But that stuff can all be adjusted. S voice usually is the reason behind it. S voice almost all the time turns on at the same time you hit the home button. Everything can be adjusted, turned off or fixed.

Nothing in that video warrants not buying the device. I customized what I needed to my liking and everything is fast and smooth.

To each his own. With that said there is no right or wrong answers. You are talking to a long time iPhone user and Apple loyalist let me remind you. But the iP5 doesn't do anything for me that I cant get somewhere else on a bigger display.

Good day sir.

I never said anything about the device not being worth a purchase, this is a technical conversation. You made a technical claim, and I am refuting it.

 

[Alx9876]

Your argument is like pointing at a brand new Laptop with a top of the line Quad-Core i7 CPU, NVidia GeForce GTX 690, with the thinnest profile and the best wireless battery life ever seen in a Laptop, then calling it "2011 tech" because the webcam is still 720p, the screen is still 15" and it has HDMI instead of Thunderbolt.

Technically you aren't wrong, because those things all existed in 2011 phones...but you're missing the point.

You're missing the point. It has nothing tech wise inside of it that is anything cutting edge towards the fall of 2012.

It's all slightly faster crap from 2011 iPhone 4S. This phone was not worth it to me after waiting two loooooooooooong years to upgrade. I expect better, because there is better currently out there and it (iP5) launched with minimal everything under the hood. It was a beefed up iP4S at best.

Try to grasp my point of view on my upgrade dilemma.

If Steve Jobs was alive this thing would have sent everyone back to the drawing boards for the next 1-2 years.

Apple is either losing it's appeal or in a bad state of transitioning which I think is the case more than anything.

 

[corvus32]

You're missing the point. It has nothing tech wise inside of it that is anything cutting edge towards the fall of 2012.

It's all slightly faster crap from 2011 iPhone 4S. This phone was not worth it to me after waiting two loooooooooooong years to upgrade. I expect better, because there is better currently out there and it (iP5) launched with minimal everything under the hood.

Try to grasp my point of view on my upgrade dilemma.

Slightly faster?

The mid-2012 GS3 is comparable to the 2011 4S in many benchmarks with the 4S having a better GPU.

The iP5 is 2-3x faster than both of them.

 

[DodgeV83]

You're missing the point. It has nothing tech wise inside of it that is anything cutting edge towards the fall of 2012.

It's all slightly faster crap from 2011 iPhone 4S. This phone was not worth it to me after waiting two loooooooooooong years to upgrade. I expect better, because there is better currently out there and it (iP5) launched with minimal everything under the hood. It was a beefed up iP4S at best.

Try to grasp my point of view on my upgrade dilemma.

If Steve Jobs was alive this thing would have sent everyone back to the drawing boards for the next 1-2 years.

Apple is either losing it's appeal or in a bad state of transitioning which I think is the case more than anything.

I guess that's just where we'll have to disagree. Maybe it's because I have a computer background, but to look at the best SoC (processor and graphics) ever put in a mobile phone, and making it both the thinnest and best battery life phone on the market...and say it's not "cutting edge", but a 13mp camera, NFC and a bigger screen are...is just backwards. It tells me you don't have an appreciation for the technology industry, or how difficult these accomplishments really are.

The word "cutting edge" relates to things that are difficult to achieve, and have never been done before. It is defined by:

"At the latest or most advanced stage of development"

That is exactly what the iPhone 5 is for the mobile world. Anyone can take an off-the-shelf NFC chip and put it in their phone. Anyone can make a phone with a big screen. Anyone can put 13 megapixels into a sensor. No one else has accomplished what the iPhone 5 has accomplished. You can say you don't like it, you can say you like Android better, but you absolutely cannot say it has 2011 tech and isn't cutting edge. If you do, you either don't understand technology, the mobile market, or the definition of cutting edge.