Sick and tired of the 4-inch screen

[Alx9876]

Slightly faster?

The mid-2012 GS3 is comparable to the 2011 4S in many benchmarks with the 4S having a better GPU.

The iP5 is 2-3x faster than both of them.

It's only fast because there's nothing to do on it except swipe through pages of apps and stream netflix or run a game.

Not much else you can do with it. Plus you haven't read or comprehended a thing I have wrote. If you have you wouldn't have a damn thing to say about it.

Talk to me again when the iP5 get's a 4.8 inch display. I've done my research and the 5 is not much faster at all than the GS3. Hardwise they are comparable but the 5 is still missing allot.

Like I said, 4G and half an inch more screen. WOW that is a nothing upgrade to me. Oh and a 4S camera. Another huge WOW. The competition is eating Apple alive.

This video promotes both the 5 and the GS3. I watched Part 1 and 2 very carefully. This helped me figure out what I wanted to buy as my next upgrade. I recommend you watch Part 1 & 2 before you respond.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819bO19bKKg&list=FL0lnnNzxV3XqhBEslB9Ydyw

 

[DMH3006]

Slightly faster?

The mid-2012 GS3 is comparable to the 2011 4S in many benchmarks with the 4S having a better GPU.

The iP5 is 2-3x faster than both of them.

There's no point in arguing with him because let's face:if any iPhone gets increased specs he says its just more of the same,if the Note or Galaxy gets increased specs its awesome because it didn't have them before.

 

[Alx9876]

There's no point in arguing with him because let's face:if any iPhone gets increased specs he says its just more of the same,if the Note or Galaxy gets increased specs its awesome because it didn't have them before.

If the iPhone get's a 4.8 inch display all will be forgiven and I will buy it. I have not made this a secret at all. Read my post history before you trash talk me.

Apple's stock fell as a result of this device. I'm not the only one that feels this way.

 

[DodgeV83]

It's only fast because there's nothing to do on it except swipe through pages of apps and stream netflix or run a game.

Not much else you can do with it. Plus you haven't read or comprehended a thing I have wrote. If you have you wouldn't have a damn thing to say about it.

Talk to me again when the iP5 get's a 4.8 inch display. I've done my research and the 5 is not much faster at all than the GS3. Hardwise they are comparable but the 5 is still missing allot.

Like I said, 4G and half an inch more screen. WOW that is a nothing upgrade to me. Oh and a 4S camera. Another huge WOW. The competition is eating Apple alive.

This video promotes both the 5 and the GS3. I watched Part 1 and 2 very carefully. This helped me figure out what I wanted to buy as my next upgrade. I recommend you watch Part 1 & 2 before you respond.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819bO19bKKg&list=FL0lnnNzxV3XqhBEslB9Ydyw

Saying it's only fast because it can run a game makes no sense. Games are the most taxing thing you can do with a phone.

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Apple's stock fell as a result of this device.

That doesn't make sense. Apple's stock increased after the iPhone 5 was announced, and culminated on the iPhone 5's record breaking release. The only plausible effect the iPhone 5 had on Apple's stock, was pushing it to the highest levels any stock has ever seen in history.

 

[Alx9876]

I guess that's just where we'll have to disagree. Maybe it's because I have a computer background, but to look at the best SoC (processor and graphics) ever put in a mobile phone, and making it both the thinnest and best battery life phone on the market...and say it's not "cutting edge", but a 13mp camera, NFC and a bigger screen are...is just backwards. It tells me you don't have an appreciation for the technology industry, or how difficult these accomplishments really are.

The word "cutting edge" relates to things that are difficult to achieve, and have never been done before. It is defined by:

"At the latest or most advanced stage of development"

That is exactly what the iPhone 5 is for the mobile world. Anyone can take an off-the-shelf NFC chip and put it in their phone. Anyone can make a phone with a big screen. Anyone can put 13 megapixels into a sensor. No one else has accomplished what the iPhone 5 has accomplished. You can say you don't like it, you can say you like Android better, but you absolutely cannot say it has 2011 tech and isn't cutting edge. If you do, you either don't understand technology, the mobile market, or the definition of cutting edge.

Samsung and Sony both accomplished what I listed above. And at 4 months before the 5 ever came out.

Don't tell me it can't be done. I have been in the technology game since the early 90's. I grew up with it. I know what can and can't be done. I also can recognize when a company plays it safe and from a business point of view it all makes sense.

You should also look up "sarcasm" since it doesn't translate well in a forums. That is what most of what I typed. I generalized on purpose to make a point.

Apples stock fell almost $200 bucks and some. It dropped the most it ever has in years. The highest point was before the 5 launched. It dropped dramatically since. Btw, I do not think Android is better. It has finally caught up to iOS. I do think 4.8 inch display is better. OS is nothing unless it has the display size that lets me enjoy my apps, and everything else to the fullest potential. 4.8 inches does exactly that for me regardless of hardware/OS/Company.

If I want to play games on the go I'll buy a Nintendo device. I do not like cell phone games.

 

[SeanR1]

It's only fast because there's nothing to do on it except swipe through pages of apps and stream netflix or run a game.

Not much else you can do with it. Plus you haven't read or comprehended a thing I have wrote. If you have you wouldn't have a damn thing to say about it.

Talk to me again when the iP5 get's a 4.8 inch display. I've done my research and the 5 is not much faster at all than the GS3. Hardwise they are comparable but the 5 is still missing allot.

Like I said, 4G and half an inch more screen. WOW that is a nothing upgrade to me. Oh and a 4S camera. Another huge WOW. The competition is eating Apple alive.

This video promotes both the 5 and the GS3. I watched Part 1 and 2 very carefully. This helped me figure out what I wanted to buy as my next upgrade. I recommend you watch Part 1 & 2 before you respond.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819bO19bKKg&list=FL0lnnNzxV3XqhBEslB9Ydyw

I wish there was a way in these videos to see what's running in the background on the android phones, they can slow it down with background programs. They can't do that with iOS as it can't multitask.

 

[DodgeV83]

Samsung and Sony both accomplished what I listed above. And at 4 months before the 5 ever came out.

Don't tell me it can't be done. I have been in the technology game since the early 90's. I grew up with it. I know what can and can't be done. I also can recognize when a company plays it safe and from a business point of view it all makes sense.

You should also look up "sarcasm" since it doesn't translate well in a forums. That is what most of what I typed. I generalized on purpose to make a point.

Apples stock fell almost $200 bucks and some. It dropped the most it ever has in years. If I want to play games on the go I'll buy a Nintendo device. I do not like cell phone games.

Putting an off-the-shelf NFC chip into a phone, and making the screen bigger, is not a technological achievement. Making the best chip ever, fit in the smallest space ever, with the best battery life ever, is. As I said, we'll have to agree to disagree.

Is it your assertion that the stock market reacted negatively to the iPhone 5's specs, not when the iPhone 5 and its specs were announced, not when the iPhone 5 was released and in people's hands (it was during this timeframe that Apple stock grew to levels no other stock has ever achieved in history), but in the 4 months after it was released?

Also note, Apple's stock today is much higher than it was last year at this time, even with the slide.

 

[Zerilos]

It's only fast because there's nothing to do on it except swipe through pages of apps and stream netflix or run a game.

Not much else you can do with it. Plus you haven't read or comprehended a thing I have wrote. If you have you wouldn't have a damn thing to say about it.

Talk to me again when the iP5 get's a 4.8 inch display. I've done my research and the 5 is not much faster at all than the GS3. Hardwise they are comparable but the 5 is still missing allot.

Like I said, 4G and half an inch more screen. WOW that is a nothing upgrade to me. Oh and a 4S camera. Another huge WOW. The competition is eating Apple alive.

This video promotes both the 5 and the GS3. I watched Part 1 and 2 very carefully. This helped me figure out what I wanted to buy as my next upgrade. I recommend you watch Part 1 & 2 before you respond.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819bO19bKKg&list=FL0lnnNzxV3XqhBEslB9Ydyw

The CPU on the A6 is only moderately faster than the s3 but the GPU performance of the A6 blows the competition out of the water. The 5 made significant advancements over the 4 and 4s in terms of speaker performance, microphones, and noise cancelation...in addition to having the best SoC in the market...oh yeah it's also the thinnest, lightest smartphone on the market. The form factor of the 5 IMHO made the upgrade worth it by itself. The 5 absolutely disappears in my pocket; Whereas the bulk of other smartphones I've owned has made keeping it in the same pocket uncomfortable after a while.

I suspect that iPhone upgrades are always going to be incremental in nature, largely because most iOS users would rather have a stable, secure phone with excellent battery life than options that they're likely never going to use anyway. I know many Android users who disable almost every feature on their phone just so they can go half the day without having to recharge their phone (I was one of them as is my wife currently). Personally I am yet to encounter an occasion where not having NFC was even a remote issue and I suspect that I'm not alone. There are people who want those options and clearly the iPhone is not their best option, and of course some people want a bigger screen and they should be looking at Android devices; but ultimately (back to the main topic) I believe the 5 was a legit upgrade over the 4s and I'm very pleased that I made the change. I purchased my 5 on the day it was released and am yet to have it freeze or randomly reboot, and that's why my next phone with be an iPhone.

 

[Digital Skunk]

The CPU on the A6 is only moderately faster than the s3 but the GPU performance of the A6 blows the competition out of the water. The 5 made significant advancements over the 4 and 4s in terms of speaker performance, microphones, and noise cancelation...in addition to having the best SoC in the market...oh yeah it's also the thinnest, lightest smartphone on the market. The form factor of the 5 IMHO made the upgrade worth it by itself. The 5 absolutely disappears in my pocket; Whereas the bulk of other smartphones I've owned has made keeping it in the same pocket uncomfortable after a while.

I suspect that iPhone upgrades are always going to be incremental in nature, largely because most iOS users would rather have a stable, secure phone with excellent battery life than options that they're likely never going to use anyway. I know many Android users who disable almost every feature on their phone just so they can go half the day without having to recharge their phone (I was one of them as is my wife currently). Personally I am yet to encounter an occasion where not having NFC was even a remote issue and I suspect that I'm not alone. There are people who want those options and clearly the iPhone is not their best option, and of course some people want a bigger screen and they should be looking at Android devices; but ultimately (back to the main topic) I believe the 5 was a legit upgrade over the 4s and I'm very pleased that I made the change. I purchased my 5 on the day it was released and am yet to have it freeze or randomly reboot, and that's why my next phone with be an iPhone.

All of your points are moot. But at least you mentioned that they are opinions that are only taken from your perspective. Thank you.

 

[AFDoc]

the more days past, the more i hate my iphone 5.... it's excellent at everything, but when it's used for browsing the web, it just hurts my eyes... i dont wanna switch to android just because android sucks balls...

i just submitted a feedback telling apple how pissed i am with the small iphone 5 screen.... all of you guys should do the same, here's the link:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/

LoL what do they care what you think, they have your money and are now reading your complaint and laughing.

 

[DodgeV83]

All of your points are moot. But at least you mentioned that they are opinions that are only taken from your perspective. Thank you.

His entire first paragraph (besides one sentence) was entirely fact, no opinion involved. I've bolded the opinion for you:

"The CPU on the A6 is only moderately faster than the s3 but the GPU performance of the A6 blows the competition out of the water. The 5 made significant advancements over the 4 and 4s in terms of speaker performance, microphones, and noise cancelation...in addition to having the best SoC in the market...oh yeah it's also the thinnest, lightest smartphone on the market. The form factor of the 5 IMHO made the upgrade worth it by itself. The 5 absolutely disappears in my pocket; Whereas the bulk of other smartphones I've owned has made keeping it in the same pocket uncomfortable after a while."

Considering the current conversation, I fail to see how bringing up relevant facts on the specs and form factor of the iPhone 5 is moot.

 

[Digital Skunk]

His entire first paragraph (besides one sentence) was entirely fact, no opinion involved. I've bolded the opinion for you:

"The CPU on the A6 is only moderately faster than the s3 but the GPU performance of the A6 blows the competition out of the water. The 5 made significant advancements over the 4 and 4s in terms of speaker performance, microphones, and noise cancelation...in addition to having the best SoC in the market...oh yeah it's also the thinnest, lightest smartphone on the market. The form factor of the 5 IMHO made the upgrade worth it by itself. The 5 absolutely disappears in my pocket; Whereas the bulk of other smartphones I've owned has made keeping it in the same pocket uncomfortable after a while."

Considering the current conversation, I fail to see how bringing up relevant facts on the specs and form factor of the iPhone 5 is moot.

The iPhone isnt the thinnest on the market. Apple caught a lot of flack for that during the keynote when Motorola alone had three phones thinner that had already been on the market.

People need to fact check better, including Apple.

Whether the phone disappears in his pocket or not is relative. I can say that is too big because I am a 4'2" girl with skinny jeans.

Best SoC? That guy didn't even take the time to Google anything.

 

[DodgeV83]

The iPhone isnt the thinnest on the market. Apple caught a lot of flack for that during the keynote when Motorola alone had three phones thinner that had already been on the market.

People need to fact check better, including Apple.

Source? I remember some company got upset because the thinnest part of their phone was thinner than the iPhone 5, but they didn't mention that the phones in question all had a huge bulge that was much much thicker. If we're using that logic, then a phone with a flat edge could claim to be 1mm thin.

Whether the phone disappears in his pocket or not is relative. I can say that is too big because I am a 4'2" girl with skinny jeans.

It is a fact that in his pockets, the iPhone 5 disappears and does not become uncomfortable even after keeping it in the same pocket for a while.

Best SoC? That guy didn't even take the time to Google anything.

Throughout this thread, multiple sources have been posted showing the A6 to be at the top of both performance and efficiency over every other SoC. I guess if you define "Best SoC" by using a measurement other than performance or efficiency, you could take issue with that statement.

 

[Digital Skunk]

Source? I remember some company got upset because the thinnest part of their phone was thinner than the iPhone 5, but they didn't mention that the phones in question all had a huge bulge that was much much thicker. If we're using that logic, then a phone with a flat edge could claim to be 1mm thin.



It is a fact that in his pockets, the iPhone 5 disappears and does not become uncomfortable even after keeping it in the same pocket for a while.



Throughout this thread, multiple sources have been posted showing the A6 to be at the top of both performance and efficiency over every other SoC. I guess if you define "Best SoC" by using a measurement other than performance or efficiency, you could take issue with that statement.

Again, if its his pockets or mine or this review or that one then they are all moot points. If it was about what the phone can or cannot do then we are talking things that matter to more than the original poster.

The thinnest phone part can be found via the first link in a Google search.

 

[beosound3200]

Source? I remember some company got upset because the thinnest part of their phone was thinner than the iPhone 5, but they didn't mention that the phones in question all had a huge bulge that was much much thicker. If we're using that logic, then a phone with a flat edge could claim to be 1mm thin.



It is a fact that in his pockets, the iPhone 5 disappears and does not become uncomfortable even after keeping it in the same pocket for a while.



Throughout this thread, multiple sources have been posted showing the A6 to be at the top of both performance and efficiency over every other SoC. I guess if you define "Best SoC" by using a measurement other than performance or efficiency, you could take issue with that statement.

it just isnt worth it

a phone with a dual core is basically on par with the one with quad core. most apps use only one core, performance per core anyone?

gpu performance?

phone with a 1440 mAh battery has better battery life than the one with 2100 mAh battery

those two facts alone tells us why s3 has a 4.8 inch screen, and why s4 will have 5.0 inch screen probably. they are barely competing with apple performance-wise in a much larger form factor, let alone in the same form factor. iphone should be compared with galaxy s3 mini, see the difference now between apple and samsung? how fast would be a 4.8 inch iphone with a quad core?

do people really think samsung and others are building phablets because users like the size?

apple is number one in miniaturization, be it pcs or smartphones.

however, display size and os are debatable

i really dont know why are you debating about smth so crystal clear

btw, anybody see a connection with mostly black android ui and amoled screens?

 

[DodgeV83]

Again, if its his pockets or mine or this review or that one then they are all moot points. If it was about what the phone can or cannot do then we are talking things that matter to more than the original poster.

The thinnest phone part can be found via the first link in a Google search.

You started by saying they are all moot points. You seem to have abandoned the SoC point. Have you conceded this point?

Im not sure what you are referring to regarding a google search, can you clarify?

He gave an example of the ability of the iPhone 5 to outperform the bigger phones, while still fitting comfortably in his pocket. Miniaturization while improving on performance and battery life is a technological achievement, and hence is relevant to the conversation on specs, "cutting edge", and "2011 tech".

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it just isnt worth it

a phone with a dual core is basically on par with the one with quad core. most apps use only one core, performance per core anyone?

gpu performance?

phone with a 1440 mAh battery has better battery life than the one with 2100 mAh battery

those two facts alone tells us why s3 has a 4.8 inch screen, and why s4 will have 5.0 inch screen probably. they are barely competing with apple performance-wise in a much larger form factor, let alone in the same form factor. iphone should be compared with galaxy s3 mini, see the difference now between apple and samsung? how fast would be a 4.8 inch iphone with a quad core?

do people really think samsung and others are building phablets because users like the size?

apple is number one in miniaturization, be it pcs or smartphones.

however, display size and os are debatable

i really dont know why are you debating about smth so crystal clear

btw, anybody see a connection with mostly black android ui and amoled screens?

I know, it's not worth it, but it's so much fun

Yes, I have seen the connection

 

[Zerilos]

All of your points are moot. But at least you mentioned that they are opinions that are only taken from your perspective. Thank you.

The conversation has essentially become about whether or not the iPhone 5 was a legitimate upgrade, and my point is that in terms of adding features that people actually want and use it was. Some of what I said was based on my preferences and some of what I said was indisputable fact. Quite simply, while reducing the size and weight of the phone, Apple has improved almost everything that needed improvement, and I think that's quite an accomplishment. Granted, if having a 5" screen and being prepared for the day that NFC starts to become less of a niche feature is important to you then there is no iOS device that will meet your needs currently. I totally get the desire to have a larger screen, but it comes with trade offs that only the given individual can decide are worth it.

You were correct about the thinness, Motorola does offer some thinner smartphones. I still haven't seen any evidence that would suggest that the A6 isn't overall the top SoC on the market.

 

[corvus32]

The smartphones that are said to be thinner than the iP5 either have a camera bulge that makes them thicker or are not sold globally.

There are smartphones using Intel Atom processors that are faster CPU wise, but use a much slower GPU. AFAIK, none are sold in the US.

So, overall, the iP5 is the fastest and thinnest smartphone available worldwide.

 

[raptorstv]

Seriously... Apple has to realease 2 sizes for iPhone: 4" and 5"

http://mobile.informationweek.com/80256/show/af45c7edc2d7b420280adcbacf25f324/?

 

[vastoholic]

Seriously... Apple has to realease 2 sizes for iPhone: 4" and 5"

http://mobile.informationweek.com/80256/show/af45c7edc2d7b420280adcbacf25f324/?

Apple doesn't have to do anything. If it comes to the point where they feel that if they don't make a 5" phone that they will become irrelevant, then they'll make a 5" phone. But they don't have to do anything that the rest of the market is doing.

 

[sectime]

Again, if its his pockets or mine or this review or that one then they are all moot points. If it was about what the phone can or cannot do then we are talking things that matter to more than the original poster.

The thinnest phone part can be found via the first link in a Google search.

What the phone can and can't do is a moot point also. Adults buy what we want knowing the specs. Wonder how many more iPhone 16 and 32gig would be sold at the S3 prices.

 

[dvoros]

screen size

I totally agree. The 4 inch screen is for kids with magnifying glasses. Us grow ups prefer screens that we can see things on.

 

[maxosx]

As more & more is written about the iPhones small 4" screen, all across the blogosphere, Apples stubbornness is glaring. Many serious Apple enthusiasts like myself are holding tight & waiting for Apple to do something. Yes I'm using an iPhone 5, yet every day I loathe it's tiny screen after using a larger one on a competing product.

Choices, Apple could retain the current size & build a second iPhone with a 5" display. They offer two sizes of iPads. Why not iPhones? I don't buy the excuses. Apple can build anything, they have more resources than any one.

Just like prior to actually building the iPad mini, thousands of naysayers came to this forum to bash the idea. Long time members swore it would never happen citing the 7" Android tablets as useless garbage.

Now look at the reaction & massive demand!

Look at the additional revenue Apple is enjoying !

At times I seriously wonder why Apple is so overly cautious.

 

[Zerilos]

I totally agree. The 4 inch screen is for kids with magnifying glasses. Us grow ups prefer screens that we can see things on.

I actually agree with you. As I get older, I'm finding it a little more difficult to read text on my iPhone. Glasses may help in the future, but I wouldn't mind a slightly larger and wider screen. I love the 5's form factor, but eventually I may have no choice but to go bigger (not Phablet sized but something in between).

 

[Random 995K]

This thread is hilarious and for the record, yes the iPhone 5 is by FAR the fastest phone in real life. Too many geekbench and spec whores around here. The most important thing is the archeticture of a chip and Apple is miles ahead. If you guys dont believe me i can enlighten you with some links. The A6 is at the level of a cortex A15... most of the competition including the GS3 runs on quad core A9's. It's like the differecence between pentium 4 and Pentium 3 computers back in the day. People look at a number and think higher is better... well no. That might be the case if geekbench wasn't heavlly scewed towards multiple core processors and OS' didnt matter. There is far to many videos out there that shows the 4S! being faster than the S3 let alone the 5 IRL usage (opening apps, loading web pages, loading games, saving HDR images etc). Going by recent trends even the S4 wont be faster than the 5 IRL, i expected better but really the 5 does everything 3 ties quicker than the competition. I guess that's what happens when you have an OS not made for the phone and then put some crappy touchwiz to slow it down even further.