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Sideloading Apps Would 'Break' the Security and Privacy of iPhone, Says Tim Cook

I7guy said:
So do you agree or disagree? Posting you are not getting support on an 8 year old device... one that runs a 32 bit processor, whereby 32 bit apps aren't even supported in today's environment on an older operating system... seems like it's a perfect definition of planned obsolescence.

You may not be happy about it, but that is the way it is. Additionally, which other vendor provides 7 years support. The iphone 5s is still getting ios 12 updates.

Maybe can say what your expectations were.
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I certainly agree supporting those devices is plain impossible, but there's no reason to not open those up. For example, allow installing any version of an app, allow installing any version of iOS. The security argument is even weaker when talking about obsolete iOS versions since their security is ruined no matter what.
 
Jake James said:
The numbers what? I don't understand your sentence
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Probably because I'm not coherent until my first cup of coffee. However, the point is it worked so well on macos and linux because the total market share vs windows is minuscule (and we know windows is the high water mark of an operating system that has never needed a security patch). ios vs android would be a more apt comparison to see where the direction would be heading.
xWhiplash said:
I’m confused here. Are you blaming Apple for not supporting an 8 year old phone? Everything in the history of the world eventually ends support. I can’t get a 1970s car supported by the company directly.
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Sideloading Apps Would 'Break' the Security and Privacy of iPhone, Says Tim Cook

I have ipad mini 2 and iphone 5 which cannot find any new app from AppStore. And I have no way to make use of them anymore. This is also a planned obsolescenc.
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I7guy said:
Probably because I'm not coherent until my first cup of coffee. However, the point is it worked so well on macos and linux because the total market share vs windows is minuscule (and we know windows is the high water mark of an operating system that has never needed a security patch). ios vs android would be a more apt comparison to see where the direction would be heading.

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Sideloading Apps Would 'Break' the Security and Privacy of iPhone, Says Tim Cook

I have ipad mini 2 and iphone 5 which cannot find any new app from AppStore. And I have no way to make use of them anymore. This is also a planned obsolescenc.
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You didn’t answer my question. Are you saying Apple should support an 8 year old phone? Yes or no. Linking to an article doesn’t answer my question to YOU. Should Apple support the first iPhone still? Should Microsoft still support Windows 3.1?
 
xWhiplash said:
You didn’t answer my question. Are you saying Apple should support an 8 year old phone? Yes or no. Linking to an article doesn’t answer my question to YOU. Should Apple support the first iPhone still? Should Microsoft still support Windows 3.1?
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I didn't answer the question, because if you follow the trail of the posts in the thread, your question will be answered. (And I'm only saying this because I believe the way I worded the post, makes the answer clear)
 
I7guy said:
I didn't answer the question, because if you follow the trail of the posts in the thread, your question will be answered. (And I'm only saying this because I believe the way I worded the post, makes the answer clear)
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That is not how you have a discussion. Taking me down a rabbit hole in another thread. Its a simple yes or no response. Are you saying ANY product EVER designed in the ENTIRE history of the world should NEVER drop off support?
 
I7guy said:
So do you agree or disagree? Posting you are not getting support on an 8 year old device... one that runs a 32 bit processor, whereby 32 bit apps aren't even supported in today's environment on an older operating system... seems like it's a perfect definition of planned obsolescence.

You may not be happy about it, but that is the way it is. Additionally, which other vendor provides 7 years support. The iphone 5s is still getting ios 12 updates.

Maybe can say what your expectations were.
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you are mixing topics. In your world, a phone Must be supported by original vendor, no one else can support it. THIS IS ONLY YOUR NARROW OPINION.

If Apple cannot support these old phones, fine. Then open the app markets to allow customer support themselves.

It’s my phone, I paid the full price on that phone. Maybe it is too old for modern app, but I can still use it as dashcam, IFTTT Gadget or alarm sensor. By keeping app market locked and not allow new app to support old iOS, Apple is forcing user to throw away their phones.
 
kk200 said:
you are mixing topics. In your world, a phone Must be supported by original vendor, no one else can support it. THIS IS ONLY YOUR NARROW OPINION.

If Apple cannot support these old phones, fine. Then open the app markets to allow customer support themselves.

It’s my phone, I paid the full price on that phone. Maybe it is too old for modern app, but I can still use it as dashcam, IFTTT Gadget or alarm sensor. By keeping app market locked and not allow new app to support old iOS, Apple is forcing user to throw away their phones.
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I totally get the point. You want Apple to treat your 8 year old iphone 5 like a windows pc. But's it's not a pc it's a smartphone. What did you expect to do with the an iphone 5 with a 32 bit chip on it? Load Linux or windows? Experiment with it how?

Why don't you jailbreak the phone? You can then load, side-load whatever you want on it. Apple is under no obligation to help you. If end of life considerations are important when buying a smartphone, then that type of consideration has to be taken into account when you purchase an iphone.
 
Phil A. said:
Because people would do something stupid, get themselves in a mess and then be all over social media blaming Apple, which would potentially damage their image (which they are fiercely protective of)

Apple have always taken a “we know best” approach with iOS whereas Google have been more pragmatic with Android.

I can see arguments for both approaches but I do believe Apple should be able to apply the rules they want on the platform they developed: if a user wants more freedom and control, there are plenty of other phones on the market
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Exactly! I wholeheartedly agree! If people wanted to be able to choose the source of their own apps they would use a different platform that offers that... Now what was androids market share again? :)
 
kk200 said:
It’s my phone, I paid the full price on that phone. Maybe it is too old for modern app, but I can still use it as dashcam, IFTTT Gadget or alarm sensor. By keeping app market locked and not allow new app to support old iOS, Apple is forcing user to throw away their phones.
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Well you pay full price for a lot of devices that come with proprietary software that can't be modified in any way, not just iPhones. You can go ahead and try to circumvent this design choice (people have managed to install Doom even on smart fridges), but the manufacturer is in no obligation, moral or otherwise, to facilitate your endeavour
 
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And it always baffles me when people don't understand the concept of critizizing bad aspects of something that is otherwise good... like sure in your life you never had to make a tradeoff, or needed to improve/fix anything because everything you do and buy is always 100% perfect...
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Firstly, there's no need to start making this a personal attack.
Second, sure I make tradeoffs all the time, but if I make an agreement I don't then complain to everyone who will listen about how unfair the agreement is, unless I was held at gunpoint in the first instance. The fact remains it was always an option to me to NOT make the agreement, or to make an agreement with someone else.
 
xWhiplash said:
Not the operating system. And you can’t force a company to do something. I can’t force a video game to include a feature I want. You are not paying around 50,000 or 100,000 per dev salary, so you don’t get to decide what the team works on.
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That makes zero sense.

And yes you can force a company. It's called making laws. If we have to legislate, then that is what we will do.

We do that to auto manufacturers all the time. They don't get to argue wether adding functionality will cost money or whatever.

If companies refuse to stop misbehaving, then either they will loose market share or either they will be forced to do things by law

It's upto them
 
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