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So apple should give their ip away? Don’t think that will happen. See dating apps in the Netherlands.

I want this world:
1) Apple builds the app store (and all its infrastructure for IAP, Upgrades, Listing, Bandwidth, etc)
Epic Games lists Fortnite on the app store for “free”

Consumers "purchase" the app by downloading it (no money)
Consumers make IAPs and Epic makes 100%
Apple makes only $99/yr for all the Fortnite "purchases"

Consumers use their IAPs and Epic makes 100% in their solution and 100% of the responsibility
Or
Consumers use apples IAPs and both Epic and Apple make money (70/30) with zero precent of the responsibility
 
It shouldn’t surprise you either. That’s already how a good percentage of people get their phones, only via a 3rd party carrier instead. It’s hardly a new concept, at least in my part of the world. Apple already offer a similar first party solution in some countries.
No, they do not.
 
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Apple doesn’t give it away. They could simply ask for a service fee, delivery fee, hosting fee, support fees to every free app.
Developers should be able to choose to use apple’s IAP system or their own
Sure, the service fee could be $10M dollars though to compensate Apple for loss of revenue. You want to cut Apple's revenue out from IAP. In the case of Epic, should the service fee, delivery fee and hosting fee be $300M, or what the fee was to be for Apple?
I want this world:
1) Apple builds the app store (and all its infrastructure for IAP, Upgrades, Listing, Bandwidth, etc)
Epic Games lists Fortnite on the app store for “free”

Consumers "purchase" the app by downloading it (no money)
Consumers make IAPs and Epic makes 100%
Apple makes only $99/yr for all the Fortnite "purchases"

Consumers use their IAPs and Epic makes 100% in their solution and 100% of the responsibility
Or
Consumers use apples IAPs and both Epic and Apple make money (70/30) with zero precent of the responsibility
It's probably not going to be the way it's going to turn out.
 
You clearly have no clue what he’s even talking about ????
Don’t I? Oh right. I thought he was talking about Apple renting phones via a subscription and not selling them anymore.

Like what an awful lot of people do already with a carrier.
Pay something upfront, Pay monthly and replace their phone every year.

Aside from the fact he was suggesting the absurd notion that that will be the sole way you can own an iPhone, and only from Apple, what did I clearly not understand?
 
In all seriousness, I won't be surprised if there's a future where iPhones are transitioned to a fully subscription offering. No buying them outright -- perhaps a "one time fee" + required monthly subscription.

Won't surprise me one single bit.

Apple is ALL in -- I mean ALL in -- on making everything a recurring revenue situation.
When Apple ceases to be of value for the masses, they (Apple) will know it.
 
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Please, show us on the doll where the crypto hurt you.

It didn't hurt me personally because I'm not a bag holder or someone who had their magic beans stolen, which happens very very often to people.

But has it hurt us as a society? Hell yes. If you don't know how then you're not paying attention or don't care.

Bitcoin and Ethereum alone have undone over a decade's worth of carbon savings and yet 90% of it is owned by a few hundred people who don't even bother to use it for anything helpful. They just hoard, accumulate more and use front men and influencers to manipulate markets and make themselves richer.

Organised crime is become richer from it, so much in fact that they will become even more politically influential.

It's corrupting every politician who gets involved and every financial regulator who gets bribed by this stuff weakens our regulations and makes it even easier for the wealthiest to extract money from the masses.

Regular people - most of them will and do lose. They're given this false promise of wealth but it's no different from a casino or lottery. Gambling is always a tax on the poorest. A couple come out as winners to attract more punters. Everyone else cannot afford the volatility and need immediate cash.
 
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It didn't hurt me personally because I'm not a bag holder or someone who had their magic beans stolen, which happens very very often to people.

But has it hurt us as a society? Hell yes. If you don't know how then you're not paying attention or don't care.

Tim Cook is a crypto owner himself, so you shouldn't trust him on his views on sidelo installing aps from other stores.
 
Tim Cook is a crypto owner himself, so you shouldn't trust him on his views on sidelo installing aps from other stores.

Here we go again. Using the name of a billionaire who can afford to toy around with a few bucks. He said himself that issuing money should only be the responsibility of governments.

Only the most gullible, blind and brainwashed people would think that 'anyone' should be able to create currencies.

BTW, who said Tim Cook is smart? He's a good supply chain guy but this is a CEO who has watched the App Store get filled with junk and under his leadership Apple was promoting Belle Gibson's scam among many stupid decisions.

 
When did the op say they had ‘unlimited trust in government’? They merely and correctly stated that governments are best placed to issue currency over random people.
This forum becomes more toxic by the day. Impossible to have a decent discussion with the majority of people on here. The pseudo anonymity of the internet and the entitlement certain people think it deserves them is the single biggest issue with the web, and there doesn’t seem to be a true solution to it.
 
I’m on team “Hope Apple Loses” because I’m in the mind set, you don’t have to side load, but if there’s an option to do so awesome! Most people even on Android don’t side load. All my Android friends don’t even know what side loading is. They’re just average users that use the default App Store Google Play.

I get it Google Play is also less secure than iOS App Store but that has nothing to do with side loading.

I personally would be incredibly happy if Apple loses this one.
 
Sure, the service fee could be $10M dollars though to compensate Apple for loss of revenue. You want to cut Apple's revenue out from IAP. In the case of Epic, should the service fee, delivery fee and hosting fee be $300M, or what the fee was to be for Apple?
Sure Apple can pick whatever fee they wish as long as the fee will also come for the free Facebook app, or Google Chrome app, Snapchat app etc. with no IAP and the potential future epic games app with IAP

apple would just be banned from requesting to review their books and revenue streams they potentially generate inside the app and base the fee on any such information
It's probably not going to be the way it's going to turn out.
its probably 99.99% how it will turn out. or sideloading will be mandated having the same effect but breaking apples walled garden
 
Sure Apple can pick whatever fee they wish as long as the fee will also come for the free Facebook app, or Google Chrome app, Snapchat app etc. with no IAP and the potential future epic games app with IAP

apple would just be banned from requesting to review their books and revenue streams they potentially generate inside the app and base the fee on any such information

its probably 99.99% how it will turn out. or sideloading will be mandated having the same effect but breaking apples walled garden
Got it all figured out? Not going to go down the way you are thinking it will.
 
From Guilherme Rambo (who knows every bit of what he's talking about)
An absolute master class on the side loading and iOS/macOS security and side loading situation

His tweet thread is starts below:

? Thoughts on iOS sideloading. Apple (and people who defend Apple no matter what) make it out as being a big deal that’s going to completely destroy the security of the platform and harm a huge number of innocent users. The reality is way less exciting… 1/

First of all, just because an app has been installed directly, that doesn’t mean that it can do whatever it wants. iOS, just like macOS, has strong security measures to prevent apps from reading data from other apps, accessing resources such as camera and GPS, and so on 2/

Sideloading wouldn’t change a thing about the iOS sandbox, which every app lives within. Even running an app directly from Xcode with my iPhone plugged into my Mac, I can’t do whatever I want. I can’t access the camera without asking for permission, just to give an example 3/

What about malware? Well, if a bad actor has a vulnerability, I bet they could slip it through App Review without any problems. App Review is not composed of infosec experts. They’re there to ensure that Apple can make their money out of our apps, mostly 4/

What about private API? Again, private API is not a magical thing that gives an app every power it wants. Besides, many apps you know and love from the App Store are probably using private API in one way or another, that’s just the reality of building for a complex platform 5/

“But then Facebook would force people to sideload so they could spy”. It’s not that simple. Facebook wouldn’t be able to do whatever they want in the app (see above). There’s also at least one instance that proves that people are not willing to do that (Fortnite on Android) 6/

“People would screw up their devices by using untrusted apps”. Grown adults are allowed to screw up, it’s part of life. But also, why isn’t that happening on macOS? 7/

Speaking of macOS, I find it hilarious that to defend its practices Apple has to basically say that macOS is not secure, really funny. 8/

“There would be lots of scammy apps that steal from users”. Yeah, like there aren’t any scams in the App Store, made easier by the quick Touch ID or Face ID to pay for in-app purchases. 9/

You know where else you can find lots of scams? THE WEB! Yes, the web, that doesn’t have App Review, and where each website can do whatever they want. People browse the web on their iPhones every single day, and the world hasn’t collapsed because of all the scams 10/

“But at least if the scam is in the Store, Apple can pull it”. That’s also true of Mac apps distributed outside the App Store. They must be signed and notarized, so Apple can flip the kill switch at any time, they can disable a single app, or all apps from a given developer 11/

By putting so much effort into defending that the security of iOS depends on the App Store review process, Apple is basically saying that they’re not competent enough to make a secure mobile operating system, and at the same time telling us that macOS is not secure. 12/

We know that’s not the case, but they’re trying whatever they can to keep the distribution of apps on the platform under their complete control, and to keep making their cut.
 
When did the op say they had ‘unlimited trust in government’? They merely and correctly stated that governments are best placed to issue currency over random people.
This forum becomes more toxic by the day. Impossible to have a decent discussion with the majority of people on here. The pseudo anonymity of the internet and the entitlement certain people think it deserves them is the single biggest issue with the web, and there doesn’t seem to be a true solution to it.
Fully agree 100%. I have count four times now on three different topics where people shoved words in my mouth, attacked my grandparents, and just reply with "you are wrong".
 
Remember everyone
The Apple App Store has plenty of scams and shenanigans that go right through App Review.

This discussion is really only about Apple trying to maintain a monopoly on iOS app distribution and payment collections (particularly gaming IAP).

That sweet sweet IAP crack cocaine that Tim just loves….
 
Remember everyone
The Apple App Store has plenty of scams and shenanigans that go right through App Review.

This discussion is only Apple trying to maintain a monopoly on iOS app distribution and payments.
That sweet sweet IAP crack cocaine that Tim just loves….
Has anyone said otherwise? So the solution to this is to allow apps from ANYWHERE that fully bypasses review process? A half-*** review is still better than zero review.

And the easiest solution to the bad apps would be to have App Reviews take weeks to months depending on the complexity of the apps. The solution is NOT opening up the gates WIDE OPEN which results in ZERO review.
 
@Ethosik

We are going in circles.
Cheers and have a great weekend
You are the one that keeps brining up stuff we are not saying - several of us have said that the App Store has some problems. And the fact that you can't counter my statements is really telling. Having a half-*** review is better than no review. Because the apps that Apple HAS rejected, would be out there, right now, if side loading existed.
 
Remember everyone
The Apple App Store has plenty of scams and shenanigans that go right through App Review.

This discussion is really only about Apple trying to maintain a monopoly on iOS app distribution and payment collections (particularly gaming IAP).

That sweet sweet IAP crack cocaine that Tim just loves….

Plus a gazillion fake apps. Saw an app mentioned, went to look for it on Apple App Store but confronted with a gazillion fake questionable apps so just turned off my iPad.
 
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