Right. Criminals and tinfoil hat wearers. To each his own.Just because you don’t need it doesn’t mean there isn’t anyone who needs it. If you want to know why, read my earlier post in this thread.
Your can think about privacy in very limited wayLOL. The imessage encryption inst strong enough for your home wifi? The NSA is wanting to get free wifi off of you?
Also, Doctors are already allowed to send information through non-encrypted e-mail. The only time a lawyer would use this would be if his client was some drug dealer and he was texting the location of the multiple bodies he has buried. Otherwise they would use plain old email.
The only time this is really needed is if you are planning a terrorist attack or if you are sending those dick pics to your bae.
I have the right to speak privately with my friends. I don’t have to justify why.
I'd trust Signal more. Telegram uses a weaker and less standard encryption algorithm, and also IMO the company is pretty shady. Edward Snowden uses Signal, and here's his opinion on Telegram: https://twitter.com/snowden/status/778597417797226496?lang=enThis have any advantages versus secret chats in Telegram?
Because Telegram has such great features and e2e encryption too to everyone that wants it, through secret chats.
iMessage is already private and encrypted. And so is this app because they claim it to be. How secure are these systems, no one really knows.
iMessage is closed-source, and Signal is open-source. Anyone can look at Signal and decide how secure it seems. iMessage could have backdoors for all we know. And I'm pretty sure it does since you can reset your Apple ID password via email and still recover all your data, so obviously Apple holds the keys.iMessage is already private and encrypted. And so is this app because they claim it to be. How secure are these systems, no one really knows.
I'd trust Signal more. Telegram uses a weaker and less standard encryption algorithm, and also IMO the company is pretty shady. Edward Snowden uses Signal, and here's his opinion on Telegram: https://twitter.com/snowden/status/778597417797226496?lang=en
I'm not saying stealing data from the NSA makes you a security expert, but he's been relying on anonymous communications for long enough that he has to know what he's doing, else he'd have been screwed a long time ago. Anyway, yeah, he's just complaining about the defaults, not the "secret chats." The real issue is their inferior encryption protocol.“By default”
Telegram only uses e2e if you want. It’s a feature that you can use whenever you want.
Lol, comparing it to whatsapp/facebook must be a joke. Nothing from this company is good.
And Snowden isn’t the best cyber security guy. What he did doesn’t qualify him as such.
Two men dating in the Middle East, where homosexuality is punishable by death.Please give me a few non-nefarious examples of why an encrypted messaging app would be necessary? (Seems great for criminals and the tinfoil hat crowd.)
Right. Criminals and tinfoil hat wearers. To each his own.
Your home/lock suggestion is a terrible analogy. I only have passwords for websites because I’m forced to do so. You want to read my email be my guest. Give me your address and I will forward you my spam.Since you have nothing to hide, why have locks on your doors or passwords for your accounts?
I’d like to take you up on the implied offer that you have nothing to hide: I’d like read-only access to your email because, after all, you’re not some tin foil loon.
I suspect while you say privacy doesn’t matter your actions prove you a liar.
Your home/lock suggestion is a terrible analogy. I only have passwords for websites because I’m forced to do so. You want to read my email be my guest. Give me your address and I will forward you my spam.
I don’t need a ridiculous 3rd party message app to encrypt content.
You must have something interesting to hide, right? But that’s your business and I really don’t care.
“Mr. Madison, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”I fail to see how the analogy is poor. Reductio ad absurdum. If one has nothing to hide and taking privacy and security precautions indicates criminality or mental illness, then why would you take privacy or security precautions unless you are what you accuse of others? That isn't a rhetorical question.
Your preoccupation with other's motivations and failure to acknowledge any valid reasons one my chose to exercise a right to privacy is simpleminded and ignorant.
You don't need my address for sending emails. Drop all of them on pastebin and provide a link. Don't leave anything out. Also, what's your full name while we're at it? No sense in hiding under the name Col4bin, when presumably you can use your real name. I'll also take your date of birth and any other personally identifiable information you're offering up. An address would help. I'm interested to see from which part of the world this myopic perspective of privacy is coming.
Remember, holding out and protecting yourself from malicious actors makes you a criminal or loon!
“Mr. Madison, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
No one is arguing privacy in general so stop being so emotional and self-righteous with your blanketed generalities concerning privacy. You sound silly so I reply with humor. We are only discussing a 3rd party messaging app that encrypts personal messages. It’s still my opinion that this app is a little over-the-top and excessive. Don’t like my opinion, oh well. Good day.
Again, we’re ONLY talking about a “3rd party messaging” app. (Let’s not lose sight of this.) Instead, you have taken my opinion of the app to grandstand and carry on about privacy in general, when NO ONE here is arguing against the basic need for internet privacy. Stop painting in such broad brush strokes. Open my ports, what..? Comical.Your argument against the necessity for security is an implicit argument against privacy. Your position makes sense if your threat model is a cat.
You may dismiss the questions posed above and the premise behind them if you like, but you ignore the logic failure and fallacy in your argument. My position is not emotional or self righteous. There is a reason telnet is deprecated and most use SSH. I'm afraid to hear your thoughts on TLS.
Lacking the imagination to understand why one may require secure, encrypted communications may make me sound silly to you, but I would assume you may know someone who has been the victim of identity theft and wants to take reasonable (not over-the-top and excessive) measures to protect their information from falling into the hands of malicious actors (and not just cats).
If you disagree, forward and open your ports and enjoy getting owned.
So don’t use the app. Your problem is solved.Yeah cause everyone is out to get you, and the regular iOS message app isn’t secure enough.![]()
Clearly you do care. You keep posting in a thread that doesn’t appeal to you.Your home/lock suggestion is a terrible analogy. I only have passwords for websites because I’m forced to do so. You want to read my email be my guest. Give me your address and I will forward you my spam.
I don’t need a ridiculous 3rd party message app to encrypt content.
You must have something interesting to hide, right? But that’s your business and I really don’t care.
Oh OK, you win!S
So don’t use the app. Your problem is solved.
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Clearly you do care. You keep posting in a thread that doesn’t appeal to you.