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This makes all the difference. I can get fantastic call quality with Skype or FaceTime Audio, just so long as I have an excellent signal and very low latency, but neither is the least bit tolerant of less-than-ideal conditions.

For instance, I get a pretty weak Verizon signal at home (1-2 bars), and it's basically impossible to use either of these services unless I'm connected to wifi - only bits and pieces come through and the call usually disconnects after a minute or two. However, I've just made several VoLTE test calls, and they've all been perfect - no dropouts, no disconnections.

In all cases I'm making a VOIP call over LTE from the same location with the same weak signal, yet only the VoLTE traffic is able to handle these conditions. I assume it's a mix of network and low-level device optimizations. Whatever it is, it works.

I don't know what the true 'spec' is on how VoLTE works but I am guessing that it may in fact packetize it like same as and along side all other IP traffic coming and going but for example it could be 'time-sliced' or 'packet-sliced' where for instance as long as there is a voice call occurring then all data packets are only processed after all voice packets are processed first, guaranteeing the voice call gets the priority it needs. Also, those voice packets would be all going to a pre-determined IP during a call so it wouldn't need to do the normal route tracing type behavior typical internet traffic does. All voice packets get delivered directly from IP to IP via only the carrier's intermediary servers and not via normal internet server hopping.

It could be much simpler though since it already knows most of what the normal IP packets are trying to manage over for the voice data most of the bits in IP packets are unnecessary and wasteful of bandwidth when you already know everything about your destination and the route to get there, instead just dithering the voice bits with the IP-based data bits and not IP 'packetizing' at all. Just a crude bit stream of codec data with a few control bits and error detection and correction bits. Those bits would just get multiplexed in and sifted out at the tower and sent direct on their own channel from the caller's tower to the callee. In this case however it would require support from the phone cellular chip to allow this 'dithering' of bits in and out.

Just a guess... most of the 'magic' other then an improved codec on the phone is in the network layer (delivery mechanisms) of the carrier.
 
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FaceTime is not a phone call. VoLTE is not VoIP.
Yes it's data, but the packets are treated differently based on purpose -- which is good, unless you really want VoLTE calls eating up limited data allowance.
Again, if VOIP works and VoLTE does not, there is no reason for VoLTE to exist. All calls should be handled as VOIP behind the scenes. Furthermore, there is no reason for voice data to be cheaper or more unlimited than any other data. Data is data. Charging less for VoLTE data just amounts to a subsidy for people who talk a lot paid by other users.
 
MUCH Better

Got my Black 128 Plus this morning and I made a few calls right away and I was AMAZED at just how much BETTER the sound is on BOTH ends of the call.

YEA VERIZON....from a 20+ year customer
 
mostly true, except handling reliable voice calls with low bandwidth data would require a hard real time packet prioritization or QoS which is nothing new but the entire network needs to support it.
Then this is what needs to happen. Not screwing around with solutions that only work on certain devices. It is actually quite shocking how flawed LTE is considering that it was designed relatively recently. Did it not occur to the engineers that a device might want to use voice and data? Why would a feature that 3G can easily accomplish be left out? This is a good example of how using an open standard (LTE) does not necessarily equate to giving your customers a product that works.
 
Considering Android phones have had this for a while, it really was Apple that was slow to the game. Just sayin'

I'm on Verizon and I've done simultaneous talk and surf on my Note 3 many times. What is it about the iPhone that made it unable to do this?
 
Not to rain on anyone's parade but it seems lots of people are forgetting the not-so-fine print that VZW mentions.

VoLTE with its simultaneous voice/data is only supported when making a VoLTE call to another phone with VoLTE capabilities.

I know very little about any of this, but, I do know that I tested it calling my parents landline, and I could get data at the same time. I do not think that it has to be to another VoLTE phone.
 
Not to rain on anyone's parade but it seems lots of people are forgetting the not-so-fine print that VZW mentions.

VoLTE with its simultaneous voice/data is only supported when making a VoLTE call to another phone with VoLTE capabilities.

Which I take to mean as < 10% of people I would call.

I.e.:
No land lines, no 800 #s, no offices/workplaces, and no one who is using a pre-iPhone 6 iPhone or any phone that doesn't support Verizon's VoLTE

Someone please tell me if I'm wrong because right now, I don't see this as changing the status quo at all, unless I'm talking to someone who also has a VoLTE capable phone who also has Verizon as a cell provider.

Fortunately, you are in fact understanding it wrong. My first VoLTE call was to the time and temperature line for my hometown (the same number I've been using for test calls for 15 years.) Data over LTE worked perfectly during the call.

What you won't get unless both parties support VoLTE is the greatly higher quality "HD" voice codec. Both sides need to be able to encode data using this codec.

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I'm on Verizon and I've done simultaneous talk and surf on my Note 3 many times. What is it about the iPhone that made it unable to do this?

Antennas. Verizon's 3G (EVDO) network does NOT support voice at all, and until very recently, their 4G (LTE) network also did not support voice calls. This means that when you make a voice call on Verizon, it drops down to their old 2G "1x" network. This obsolete technology supports voice and data, but not at the same time.

Certain Android phones get around this by including an extra antenna and establishing two separate connections to the 2G and 3G/4G networks. It's almost like having two separate devices connected.

This requires adding an antenna pretty much solely for this purpose, and also means higher battery drain during the call. I suspect Apple was not interested in the extra engineering and battery considerations to support a rare use case on a dying network technology that most of the world doesn't use.
(FYI, I'm not knocking Android OEMs for implementing this. Without getting into details, I had to make a 911 call a couple months ago where it would have been really, really helpful to look things up on a map while I was on the call.)
 
According to the VZW site FAQ, it is supported along with the 5C

According to Verizon, iphone 5s will NOT support VoLTE on their network. Please link to this FAQ you keep referring to.

We all know iphone 5s is VoLTE capable, but question is will the networks support it…
 
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VoLTE to VoIP

how does VoLTE to Skype/Google Hangouts sound?

I'm hoping the high bitrate of both is noticeable

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Does this mean Verizon (and AT&T) will enable VoLTE on iphone 5s and 5c? We all know iphone 5s supports VoLTE, but question is will the networks?

The 5S _does not_ support VoLTE. It supports carrier integrated Wifi calling.
 
Where do you have your data from? Cause that's just plain not true.
VoLTE chips are pretty darn new. That's why it's limited to those new devices. LTE was even new in '07. And when I say new, I mean not even finalised.

The At&t iPhone has had simultaneous voice and data for 6 or 7 years. My data comes from owning and using the phone. Hands on!!

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I normally am happy to defend AT&T, but this time you are dead wrong. The first iPhone back in 2007 did not have simultaneous Talk+Surf due to the fact it was based on 2.75G or EDGE. EDGE is not capable of that.

It took Apple/AT&T until the iPhone 3G in 2008 to do that.

You are correct, i got my year wrong but the point is the same :).

Let me be the first to welcome verizon to 2008! Lol
 
I hope it doesn't.

I mean... you're already paying a hefty bill every month. So what exactly are you paying for?

But this could be a sneaky way to add in "extra" charges for more "features"

Speaking of which, upon buying my iPhone 6 from Verizon today, I noticed that the plan came with a $10/month device replacement plan included automatically. I'm sure most people never bother to remove it.

On a brighter note, the Verizon rep gave me 1 GB/month extra data for free. So that was nice.
 
i think he's referring to how AT&T (or GSM) have always been able to talk and surf on the iPhone at the same time.

Again, false. The original iPhone on 2G didn't have this ability.

But we can still welcome Verizon users to 2008 :)
 
Where do you have your data from? Cause that's just plain not true.
VoLTE chips are pretty darn new. That's why it's limited to those new devices. LTE was even new in '07. And when I say new, I mean not even finalised.

The data comes from anywhere you want to look. How could you NOT know that AT&T has had simultaneous voice and data since the early iPhones??

I forgot years ago that anyone still DIDN'T have this feature.
 
BS. My AT&T 3GS wouldn't do voice and data on Edge data. And phone calls had no priority, so you'd just find out you missed calls later. Just like the original iPhone in 2007.

FWIW, Verizon CDMA towers have supported simultaneous voice and data for a while. The problems is that Apple's CDMA iPhones have never supported it, simply because Apple has never bothered to add the extra antenna that would be required.

That said, this completely changes the equation. AT&T's LTE coverage is abysmal compared to Verizon, and after years of having an "unlimited" data plan on AT&T, I'm jumping ship to Verizon because AT&T's unlimited "No Service" plan is useless.

Verizon SUCKS here in Florida and I consistently get faster connections on AT&T LTE than verizons fiber home service so FWIW, it may depend on your location.

And FYI, You may be watching too many Verizon propaganda spots. There are metrics that can support both Verizon and AT&T as better than the other. For the last few years the 4G coverage map was AT&T's win. LTE Speed was AT&Ts win and LTE coverage was verizons only commercial. ( worded very carefully but cleverly)

The voice/data issue has always been the biggest issue with Verizon. A BIG issue! So I agree it changes things for Verizons customers.

One last thing. AT&T has VoLTE in some markets already so not sure where you got your VERY incorrect information. Verizon and AT&T announced very close to the same time.
 
Verizon SUCKS here in Florida and I consistently get faster connections on AT&T LTE than verizons fiber home service so FWIW, it may depend on your location.

And FYI, You may be watching too many Verizon propaganda spots. There are metrics that can support both Verizon and AT&T as better than the other. For the last few years the 4G coverage map was AT&T's win. LTE Speed was AT&Ts win and LTE coverage was verizons only commercial. ( worded very carefully but cleverly)

The voice/data issue has always been the biggest issue with Verizon. A BIG issue! So I agree it changes things for Verizons customers.

One last thing. AT&T has VoLTE in some markets already so not sure where you got your VERY incorrect information. Verizon and AT&T announced very close to the same time.


except Verizon has said that once they turn on VoLTE, it's on nationwide. so footprint of VoLTE is very heavily in favor of Verizon now.
 
Never was a mistake.

CDMA allowed them to have a superb dropped call rate as well as excellent spectral density. Great capacity, especially when the 8k vocoders came along with good voice quality.

Did it match GSM/UMTS in all calling features? No, but apparently that wasn't a deciding factor for millions upon millions of subscribers.

They've done extremely well with CDMA, as have many other leading operators around the world.

In fact, CDMA was so impressive, it became the air interface for UMTS, which is something most people aren't aware of.

Since CDMA was optimized for voice, it's a totally open question as to how VoLTE will perform in comparison. LTE is break before make, while CDMA has soft and softer handoff.

I'm optimistic for VoLTE, especially if not moving quickly and undergoing rapid handoffs, but time will tell.

Saying CDMA was a mistake is uninformed.

CDMA was no only not a mistake at the time but it was down right the only way for them to go digital with the footprint they bought in many markets mine was GTE and it covered a huge area and they needed to do it in as few a towers as possible to save money.

That being said it was a mistake to go CDMA rev A. They should have started to shop for a better data network than what was just plug and play. The choice 15 years ago is going to come back to haunt them here very soon if they can not reframe there network out of CDMA and 3g into A-LTE.

I give you have a well argued and reasoned point. I agree the way CDMA does the handoff was copied by HSPD+ which is why ATT suddenly stopped dropping calls. This is good for you the user and good for them as they are sick of hearing about dropped calls.

If you want to see a poorly done CDMA network look at sprint same tech same standard way different outcome for end users.

I think VOLTE is there future and i fear that there data network is going to suffer with this packet priority of voice over IP.

I know ATT is afraid of this look at how timid they are about going VOLTE. I do not know why these guys are not jumping over them selves to get WIFI calling to work i mean it takes the load off there towers clears spectrum and allows for a better light battery call every one wins. I know t-mo has no choice with there smaller footprint and less powerful bands in some areas.
 
Anybody else notice the 39.1GB of data used that period in the screenshot. I reset mine every month to make sure I'm not going to go over my 4GB but I wonder when that phone was last reset
 
Congrats Verizon! Now you can text, surf, talk and drive at the same time! BTW, at AT&T we been doing this for years!

-Mike

Yeah, when you get a connection.

I had an iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, iPad, iPad 2 and iPad 3 all on AT&T. Got to the point where I could never get a working connection. Either no signal, or I had a signal but data packets couldn't get through. Each year it got worse.

Switched to Verizon for the 5, 5S, 6+ and retina iPad mini and couldn't be happier.
 
AT&T has had this since the first iPhone. Let me be the first to welcome Verizon to 2007.

Derp. Derp, derp..... Derp.
That is all.

To the rest: anybody agree that AT&T had simultaneous voice and data over LTE five years before they even supported LTE, or is this guy wrong?
 
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