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Since Apple flat out lied about the Leopard delay...

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple's PR group is completely isolated from other divisions of the company. This is standard corporate practice.

Sadly, the PR and marketing people are generally the last to know about anything. Many times they find out about what they are going to announce within just a few hours of the announcement.
 
I don't think they lied- as far as PR was told, Leopard was on track.

I'm sure this announcement came after a lot of deliberation outside of PR.
October is probably just a safe bet.

Think about it: Leopard is going to be complete at WWDC. That gives Apple three months to work out the bugs of what they demonstrated. (Not to mention the two before WWDC to get rid of the "plaguing" 36 bugs). I think three months is more than enough when you are already showing a near-finished product.

Again, October is just a safety net. While in all honesty it is likely to take that long, there is the possibility for a surprise early release.


That's three months extra, not including several weeks of manufacturing/shipping for October 1.

-=|Mgkwho
 
Mgkwho said:
I don't think they lied- as far as PR was told, Leopard was on track.

I'm sure this announcement came after a lot of deliberation outside of PR.
October is probably just a safe bet.

Think about it: Leopard is going to be complete at WWDC. That gives Apple three months to work out the bugs of what they demonstrated. (Not to mention the two before WWDC to get rid of the "plaguing" 36 bugs). I think three months is more than enough when you are already showing a near-finished product.

Again, October is just a safety net. While in all honesty it is likely to take that long, there is the possibility for a surprise early release.


That's three months extra, not including several weeks of manufacturing/shipping for October 1.

-=|Mgkwho
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Not to mention the new Minis, iMacs, iPods, etc., etc. New equipment for the new OS...
 
gkarris said:
Not to mention the new Minis, iMacs, iPods, etc., etc. New equipment for the new OS...
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Oh, silly me, I thought the OS team was separate from the hardware team. That must be why there haven't been any hardware updates (except adding a high end mac pro chip): because they've been focusing on the iPhone.


No.

-=|Mgkwho
 
Mgkwho said:
I don't think they lied- as far as PR was told, Leopard was on track.

Again, October is just a safety net. While in all honesty it is likely to take that long, there is the possibility for a surprise early release.

That's three months extra, not including several weeks of manufacturing/shipping for October 1.
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The BootCamp beta now runs until September 30...so I'm guessing sometime in late September. I'm sure after this push back, they've given themselves plenty of time to finish it in time for the new deadline.
 
um, Vista was late. But ~5 years?

why does the "how long vista was late" number keep going up on this forum?

The idea for Vista (Longhorn) was first announced in 2001, with an expected release date of "by the end of 2003." It was released at the end of 2006. That's not 5 years.

Contrary to popular myth, Longhorn was not originally supposed to include WinFS and all of the new stuff that was eventually tacked on (and in many cases un-tacked!). It was supposed to be an intermediate step between XP and another project, codenamed Blackcomb, now called "Vienna."

After adding a bunch of stuff to the XP codebase, they decided to start over on Longhorn in 2004, using the Windows Server 2003 code for a base (a very good idea, by the way), so at this point they should have officially scrapped the "Longhorn" name and moved on to something else, as the original Longhorn was XP-based. The difference between XP and Server2003 is huge. Not quite OS 9 to OS X huge, but still a major change.

The beta versions of Vista started showing up in 2005. About a year later, they locked down the RTM codebase and called it done.


Look it up.
 
macjay said:
It's one thing to not respond to a rumor. It's another, in the face of a very specific rumor, to deny it, then a few weeks later the rumor is proved to be true.

I've been a stock market investor for a number of years and I've seen public corporations lie and mislead enough times to in general not trust them, even if it's Apple. That Apple exec who reconfirmed Leopard would ship in the spring was lying, perhaps to buy some time for how they would explain it from a PR perspective. It's that simple.
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When I say "respond," I mean in any manner which would reveal plans which they are not yet prepared to announce -- both good and bad! There's no rule in the book which says that Apple, or any other company, is bound to disclose its internal decision-making process to anyone.

You are right not to trust corporations. The kind of trust some people seem to expect from Apple is generally not part of the deal for investors, or customers, from any company. Either you like their products and their financial prospects, or you don't. It's that simple.
 
Well I'll be the first one to actually answer the post:

I don't think we'll see any top secret features. None that will be that special anyway.
 
ghall said:
This is a sad time for :apple:. They really need to get their priorities straight. Because of this, I will not be buying an iPhone.

Sorry Apple, you just lost an iPhone costumer.
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Good for me. Woot! Another spot not taken so that I can pick up.

And who says iPhone isn't a priority. I need it more than the average dude does.
 
benpatient said:
um, Vista was late. But ~5 years?

why does the "how long vista was late" number keep going up on this forum?

The idea for Vista (Longhorn) was first announced in 2001, with an expected release date of "by the end of 2003." It was released at the end of 2006. That's not 5 years.

Contrary to popular myth, Longhorn was not originally supposed to include WinFS and all of the new stuff that was eventually tacked on (and in many cases un-tacked!). It was supposed to be an intermediate step between XP and another project, codenamed Blackcomb, now called "Vienna."

After adding a bunch of stuff to the XP codebase, they decided to start over on Longhorn in 2004, using the Windows Server 2003 code for a base (a very good idea, by the way), so at this point they should have officially scrapped the "Longhorn" name and moved on to something else, as the original Longhorn was XP-based. The difference between XP and Server2003 is huge. Not quite OS 9 to OS X huge, but still a major change.

The beta versions of Vista started showing up in 2005. About a year later, they locked down the RTM codebase and called it done.


Look it up.
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see that makes some since. Since M$ added a lot of extra stuff and did some major changes to it Causing it to get delayed a little.
Only thing I really find sad and reflects poorly on the apple community is how they just point and laugh and say M$ sucks because it is delayed. But the 2nd apple does it they turn around and say it OK. I rather them do that for a better product but they do not let M$ do the same thing.
Now if you want to add in apple release a new OS 2-3 times faster on average so every step is a fairly minor one since OSX was first release. But add in the faster factor and this delay is 8-12months worth of time compared to M$.

People point out in Dec about the fact that leopard was shown making it a pretty clear sign that is was going to be delayed. Plus the fact apple says "secret" features and has not really said anything about them is a huge red flag to me since that is not what apple been like historically with the OS with in the final year. It could be these "secret" features are things that they are thinking about cutting just unlike M$ they are not upfront about what they are trying to put in there so they never have to admit to cutting anything.
 
macjay said:
Apple lied. Digitimes' report was right on, and Apple denied it. Did Digitimes know something that Apple didn't? Probably not. At the time Apple PR was probably still trying to figure out what their excuse would be, so finally they decided to use the iPhone as the excuse and use the Leopard delay press release as a promotion for the iPhone!

Oh, and I think mkrishnan was being ironical.
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let's be clear what apple "denied". First it was second-hand info from an analyst - AN ANALYST, who happened to hear it from an un-named source within Apple. Anybody who took that to the bank as offical information deserves to be dissapointed.
 
IJ Reilly said:
As the old story goes, never love anything that isn't able to love you back.
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Great line IJ Reilly! I've never understood people on these boards who say they are "in love" with their new computers.

dswoodley said:
let's be clear what apple "denied". First it was second-hand info from an analyst - AN ANALYST, who happened to hear it from an un-named source within Apple. Anybody who took that to the bank as offical information deserves to be dissapointed.
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I could have sworn there was a confirmation from a named Apple exec (maybe during a conference call?). Maybe not.
 
ghall said:
This is a sad time for :apple:. They really need to get their priorities straight. Because of this, I will not be buying an iPhone.

Sorry Apple, you just lost an iPhone costumer.
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ROFL. That totally makes sense! They delayed their OS to get the product you wanted done, so you won't be buying it! More power to ya, buddy! You show 'em! :rolleyes:
 
macjay said:
Great line IJ Reilly! I've never understood people on these boards who say they are "in love" with their new computers.



I could have sworn there was a confirmation from a named Apple exec (maybe during a conference call?). Maybe not.
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If you're right, then I take it back! :)
 
I always thought so called "top secrets" are just PR, there won't be any "top secret", even if there is anything that are not mentioned by now, they aren't gong to be "TOP". u can put my words down. I will offer my apology if it turn out different.

Note: Top secret is a subjective opinion, so I hereby define it (since Im making a bet here :D) as
1. "revolutionary, changing the way users interact with OS (like buildin system wide voice control),", or
2. "unimaginable hardware-softwares compatibility that runs windows game inside OSX directly", or
3. "impressive real 3D interface that exceeds Beryl/Compiz",
4. "Greatly improved efficiency of system environment that makes all apps run generally at least 30% faster."
any newly added convenient apps means nothing here.
 
clevin said:
I always thought so called "top secrets" are just PR, there won't be any "top secret", even if there is anything that are not mentioned by now, they aren't gong to be "TOP". u can put my words down. I will offer my apology if it turn out different.

Note: Top secret is a subjective opinion, so I hereby define it (since Im making a bet here :D) as
1. "revolutionary, changing the way users interact with OS (like buildin system wide voice control),", or
2. "unimaginable hardware-softwares compatibility that runs windows game inside OSX directly", or
3. "impressive real 3D interface that exceeds Beryl/Compiz",
4. "Greatly improved efficiency of system environment that makes all apps run generally at least 30% faster."
any newly added convenient apps means nothing here.
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I don't think you are understanding the context of the word 'TOP'. It just means 'highly secret', not 'highly amazing'. Your list of qualifiers is absurd.
 
decksnap said:
I don't think you are understanding the context of the word 'TOP'. It just means 'highly secret', not 'highly amazing'. Your list of qualifiers is absurd.
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absurd?
lol, top secret with mediocre importance, what an amazing PR.
 
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