iPhone XS Max Since iPhone loyalty is dropping. Do you think they will raise the price of this years phone?

[FFR]

Educated tech user also understand important of cross platform compatibility. I will never use any solution that limit myself to one particular platform.

Photos are easy as well. Download Google Photo and it will backup all the photos to Google Photo.

“Educated tech users on cross platform compatibility” would probably know how difficult it is to extricate oneself from google photos, most wouldn’t bother using it after that.

Unless they want to extract their large photo collection from google photos one photo at a time.

I can never stay iPhone long enough to have any significant app data. The maximum time I stayed with iPhone is about two months. After that, I switch back to my Huawei P20 and now P30.
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That’s expected when you don’t fully take advantage of apples ecosystem.

This is why I never use iCloud to sync my photo, I use Google Photo. I will never use Apple’s note App, I use Google Keep. I will never use Apple Music, I use QQ Music for Asian music and Google Play Music for western music. I will never use iMessage, I use WeChat and WhatsApp mainly. I never use Apple Pay, I use my debit card, credit card, WeChat And AliPay. I don’t use Apple Watch, I brought Fitbit. I don’t have HomePod, I brought Google Home.

Sounds like a watered down iPhone experience.

As an “educated tech user” You should try iCloud, it’s pretty great, one of the reasons people get iPhones, iMessages is the other.

Apple watches aren’t bad either.

I think I give rough examples. I never really feel changing platform is such pain in the butt. If someone willingly to let him or herself into Apple’s wall gardens, then he or she deserved to be ripped off from Apple.

Do you also classify five star hotel and resorts as walled gardens that ripoff consumers?

 

[LovingTeddy]

Yeah, you have shown your use case so well that I feel I am guilty, though I think you love yourself being ripped off by Google instead. I wonder what your choice would be by then if Google Photos, Google Calendar, Google Keep etc are all tied to Android devices only.

On the other hand, I can use iOS and its platforms in China relatively easy (at least 3 years ago), while everything Google related is blocked in China for over a decade already. So, I cannot backup my photos to Google Photos, sync Calendar events to Google Calendar, save and access files using Google Drive, without very good VPN solutions if I travel to China. I have over 7 years of various app data, app purchases and various stuff tied to my Apple ID that is either impossible or very difficult to recreate to another platform.

Compared to Android, enjoying international contents on iOS platform is a little bit easier. All I need is a new Apple ID and iTunes Gift Card, and bam, contents can be purchased. Google Account on the other hand, ties your physical location to your store region. Unless VPN is used, purchasing foreign contents or play games released in another region is tedious at the very least.

Educated tech users understand the importance of data backup, understand the importance of cross platform compatibility, and design their workflow to maximise the benefit of both worlds.

For China trip, it is easy. When roaming from my Canadian carrier, Google contents are not blocked.

For the record, all Google services ads available on iOS. So why do I need tie myself on Android? Heck, I can open all my craps from anywhere if there is internet. Windows/ Mac/ Linux/ Android/ iOS, you name it.

You don’t need to use Google stuff for international content. There are so many ways for me to get international content. For example, I pay for annual subscription for Netflix, Amazon Prime, QQ Music, Aiqiyi, Bilibili. Majority of what I watch are Japanese, Korea, US and Chinese. I am very well served.

Even with Apple, it is still not easy. You need register multiple Apple ID, you need hunt for gift cards. Usually prepaid gifts you purchases are coming with premium. And last time I checked, you can’t get Apple Music with gift cards. They require you have credit card from that particular country.

 

[Shirasaki]

For China trip, it is easy. When roaming from my Canadian carrier, Google contents are not blocked.

For the record, all Google services ads available on iOS. So why do I need tie myself on Android? Heck, I can open all my craps from anywhere if there is internet. Windows/ Mac/ Linux/ Android/ iOS, you name it.

You don’t need to use Google stuff for international content. There are so many ways for me to get international content. For example, I pay for annual subscription for Netflix, Amazon Prime, QQ Music, Aiqiyi, Bilibili. Majority of what I watch are Japanese, Korea, US and Chinese. I am very well served.

Even with Apple, it is still not easy. You need register multiple Apple ID, you need hunt for gift cards. Usually prepaid gifts you purchases are coming with premium. And last time I checked, you can’t get Apple Music with gift cards. They require you have credit card from that particular country.

Roaming fee is always high and local card is always cheaper, in particular in China, which means VPN is a must. As for the international content, game is gonna from Google, unless one can speak Chinese, in which case they have slightly more choices for App Store, all of which are crappy anyways. As for Apple Music, why I need to use Apple Music when I am pretty sure 80% of my music wont be on ANY streaming platform anyway?

Now back to the main point, there is no reason for Apple to raise iPhone price even further, especially this 2019 100% lacklustre iPhone. Raise the price of 2020 iPhone if Apple simply cannot help themselves. Oh, ok ok, I get it, investors care nothing about “up and down”. They are the maniacs with no brain and very limited critical thinking skills. Sure, I think that’s fine to raise the price of iPhone by another $200 this year, and $500 more on 2020.

PS: Just for your curiosity, Apple Music subscription can be purchased via pre-paid gift cards, in US and Australia. Guess Canadians out there are out of luck.

• Redeem gift cards to your account to use toward Apple Music subscriptions.

https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT204939

 

[LovingTeddy]

Not really.
You didn’t click the link did you .




Yes that’s true.
I hope apple “lowers” the iPhone price to $924 globally to match “lowered sale price” in China.

“For iPhones, the iPhone XR is down 4.6 percent to 6199 RMB ($923.60), reports CNBC, while the iPhone XS and iPhone XS Max are down 500 RMB ($74.50) each, starting as low as 8199 RMB ($1,221.58). While considerable, the price cuts still put the iPhones at a higher cost per device compared to other markets, such as the US which lists the iPhone XR at $749 before tax. “

https://iphone.appleinsider.com/art...-iphones-and-ipads-in-china-following-tax-cut


According to loving teddy “lowering” XR price from $750 to $924 “will help increase iPhone sale”.

Wasn’t apple also being boycotted in China at the time in response to the US blacklisting Huawei, and apple still managed to increase iPhone market share, even with higher prices compared to the rest of the world.

That’s kind of impressive.





Anybody else would rather pay $924 instead of $750 for an iPhone XR. /s

Yes. I read the content. iPhone sales are down. iPhone XR is the best selling phone. Generally tend is iPhone sales are down.

According to the company, iOS saw a year-on-year percentage drop in proportion of 0.8% to 19.1 percent of sales in the EU5 area, covering the five major markets in Europe. By contrast, Android saw a gain of 0.6% from 79.5% for the three-month period ending June 2018 to 80.1% for 2019.

On a country-specific basis for EU5, iOS gained the most share in Italy at 3.4%, followed by Spain and Germany. There was a drop of 0.8% in the UK and large 5% in France for iOS, contributing to the overall EU5 downturn.

For the United States, iOS saw its share of sales drop year-on-year from 38.7% for Q2 2018 to 36.3% for Q2 2019. Over the same period, Android saw its share increase from 61% for 2018 to 63.5% in 2019.

Apple saw year-on-year sales share drop for iOS by 5.5% in Japan to 37.4% while Android gained 6% to reach 61.8%. In Australia, iOS gained 0.7% to hit 33%, but Android saw no percentage change at 66.8%.

The important China market was good for Apple, with a moderate improvement in sales share for iOS from 19.4% in Q2 2018 to 19.7% for Q2 2019. Meanwhile, Android's 80.4% of sales in Q2 2018 dipped down by half a percent to 79.9% for the 2019 results in the market.

Are you even understand what kind of things you spell out? iPhone XR are selling well over $1000 in Canada. It is all about currency. Apple is not charging $924 for iPhone XR in China. Apple is charging $795 for iPhone XR in China (before pride reduction). Additionally, all sales tax are included in the price tag, unlike US or Canada, price labeled are pretax. If you factoring tax, price variation is not much difference. It is hard to get real after tax iPhone sales price in US, since different states have different state tax.

I also did quick search on Taobao, iPhone XR selling price is around 5200 and sometime you can find deals for under 5000RMB (755 USD). iPhone XS and iPhone XS Max can be found around 7000 (1070USD) to 8000 RMB(1162USD). And remember, this is tax included, unlike in US or Canada.

So, iPhone selling price is falling in China, so there are increase in sales in China. iPhone selling price is remaining high in Europe, Japan, iPhone sales were dropped.
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“Educated tech users on cross platform compatibility” would probably know how difficult it is to extricate oneself from google photos, most wouldn’t bother using it after that.

Unless they want to extract their large photo collection from google photos one photo at a time.



That’s expected when you don’t fully take advantage of apples ecosystem.



Sounds like a watered down iPhone experience.

As an “educated tech user” You should try iCloud, it’s pretty great, one of the reasons people get iPhones, iMessages is the other.

Apple watches aren’t bad either.



Do you also classify five star hotel and resorts as walled gardens that ripoff consumers?

Yes. I don’t go hotels. I Airbnb all the time. Not paying hotel for that matter.

I have tried iCloud, but I gave up. I am not paying Apple for something I can use only on iOS or Mac.

And downloading photo from Google Photo is pretty easy. Access to computer, login to Google Photo and you can download entire Google Photo library if you wish. I have downloaded yogi to all the way back from 2013 to early 2019.

 

[44267547]

According to the company, iOS saw a year-on-year percentage drop in proportion of 0.8% to 19.1 percent of sales in the EU5 area, covering the five major markets in Europe. By contrast, Android saw a gain of 0.6% from 79.5% for the three-month period ending June 2018 to 80.1% for 2019.

On a country-specific basis for EU5, iOS gained the most share in Italy at 3.4%, followed by Spain and Germany. There was a drop of 0.8% in the UK and large 5% in France for iOS, contributing to the overall EU5 downturn.

For the United States, iOS saw its share of sales drop year-on-year from 38.7% for Q2 2018 to 36.3% for Q2 2019. Over the same period, Android saw its share increase from 61% for 2018 to 63.5% in 2019.

Apple saw year-on-year sales share drop for iOS by 5.5% in Japan to 37.4% while Android gained 6% to reach 61.8%. In Australia, iOS gained 0.7% to hit 33%, but Android saw no percentage change at 66.8%.

The important China market was good for Apple, with a moderate improvement in sales share for iOS from 19.4% in Q2 2018 to 19.7% for Q2 2019. Meanwhile, Android's 80.4% of sales in Q2 2018 dipped down by half a percent to 79.9% for the 2019 results in the market..

You copied and pasted this post from some other site, because I’ve read it before. This is not your own wording, perhaps provide a link/citation for something that’s not your own work. Because the numbers that are in your post, there’s no way you would’ve come up with those on your own without referring to a source.

 

[Shirasaki]

I also did quick search on Taobao, iPhone XR selling price is around 5200 and sometime you can find deals for under 5000RMB (755 USD). iPhone XS and iPhone XS Max can be found around 7000 (1070USD) to 8000 RMB(1162USD). And remember, this is tax included, unlike in US or Canada.

So, iPhone selling price is falling in China, so there are increase in sales in China. iPhone selling price is remaining high in Europe, Japan, iPhone sales were dropped.

I guess good luck picking the right phone and right version and hopefully the seller will actually deliver you a legit phone that can by AppleCare instead of a random locked device that end user probably cannot do **** about. Also, iOS in each country is different. Chinese iOS does not have FaceTime audio but have Wifi access control. Japan iOS cannot turn shutter sound off, and supported bands are different. It is not just about currency, it is about a phone that works the best in your country, although I think International version works great on most countries, maybe including China, minus dual SIM support. And, Apple drops iPhone prices in China because most Chinese people cannot justify spending 1000 USD (8000 RMB) on a phone. I am actually kinda surprised to see Apple makes this move.

 

[LovingTeddy]

Roaming fee is always high and local card is always cheaper, in particular in China, which means VPN is a must. As for the international content, game is gonna from Google, unless one can speak Chinese, in which case they have slightly more choices for App Store, all of which are crappy anyways. As for Apple Music, why I need to use Apple Music when I am pretty sure 80% of my music wont be on ANY streaming platform anyway?

Now back to the main point, there is no reason for Apple to raise iPhone price even further, especially this 2019 100% lacklustre iPhone. Raise the price of 2020 iPhone if Apple simply cannot help themselves. Oh, ok ok, I get it, investors care nothing about “up and down”. They are the maniacs with no brain and very limited critical thinking skills. Sure, I think that’s fine to raise the price of iPhone by another $200 this year, and $500 more on 2020.

PS: Just for your curiosity, Apple Music subscription can be purchased via pre-paid gift cards, in US and Australia. Guess Canadians out there are out of luck.

• Redeem gift cards to your account to use toward Apple Music subscriptions.

https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT204939

How long are you staying China for? Last time, I stayed in China for about a month. And yes, I did use local SIM card. All my photos were taken with Huawei and iPhone. I don’t need back up my photo constantly and I am usually careful with my phones. When I back in Canada, I backed up to Google photos.

If I need access Google stuff, I fire up phones with Canadian SIM and it is 12 dollars a day and when I done with it, I switch back to local SIM. And I streaming with QQ Music, watching videos on Aiqiyi or QQ.
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I guess good luck picking the right phone and right version and hopefully the seller will actually deliver you a legit phone that can by AppleCare instead of a random locked device that end user probably cannot do **** about. Also, iOS in each country is different. Chinese iOS does not have FaceTime audio but have Wifi access control. Japan iOS cannot turn shutter sound off, and supported bands are different. It is not just about currency, it is about a phone that works the best in your country, although I think International version works great on most countries, maybe including China, minus dual SIM support. And, Apple drops iPhone prices in China because most Chinese people cannot justify spending 1000 USD (8000 RMB) on a phone. I am actually kinda surprised to see Apple makes this move.

Dude. If you know anything about Taobao, you know where to find legit iPhone at lower prices.

For example, the iPhone XR, XS and XS max I found on Taobao for 5200RMB are sold by Suning Yigou, one of the biggest electronic retailers in China. I doubt they will sell random locked device that end user probably cannot do **** about.

I don’t give about country specific thing. I am only talking about prices and responding to other poster. I never use FaceTime, iMessage. FaceTime and iMessage are disabled by default for me. I don’t want deal with issue with iMessage.

 

[FFR]

Yes. I read the content. iPhone sales are down. iPhone XR is the best selling phone. Generally tend is iPhone sales are down.

According to the company, iOS saw a year-on-year percentage drop in proportion of 0.8% to 19.1 percent of sales in the EU5 area, covering the five major markets in Europe. By contrast, Android saw a gain of 0.6% from 79.5% for the three-month period ending June 2018 to 80.1% for 2019.

On a country-specific basis for EU5, iOS gained the most share in Italy at 3.4%, followed by Spain and Germany. There was a drop of 0.8% in the UK and large 5% in France for iOS, contributing to the overall EU5 downturn.

For the United States, iOS saw its share of sales drop year-on-year from 38.7% for Q2 2018 to 36.3% for Q2 2019. Over the same period, Android saw its share increase from 61% for 2018 to 63.5% in 2019.

Apple saw year-on-year sales share drop for iOS by 5.5% in Japan to 37.4% while Android gained 6% to reach 61.8%. In Australia, iOS gained 0.7% to hit 33%, but Android saw no percentage change at 66.8%.

The important China market was good for Apple, with a moderate improvement in sales share for iOS from 19.4% in Q2 2018 to 19.7% for Q2 2019. Meanwhile, Android's 80.4% of sales in Q2 2018 dipped down by half a percent to 79.9% for the 2019 results in the market.

No, you copy and pasted don’t think you clicked the link I provided. Had you read the link, you wouldnt Have Needed to provided another link referencing the same report.

iPhone sales are up in Australia, Germany, Spain, Italy, and China.

With a slight drop in sales, in the Us,France, Uk, and japan.

That’s not bad. That’s actually pretty good for that time of year and at iPhones premium price points. Apple iPhone market share increasing in China during Huawei’s blacklisting is impressive given the calls to boycott the iPhone at the time. And who could forgot all the clueless analysts claiming iPhone sales were collapsing in China.

“China isn’t Apple’s only problem, iPhone sales are ‘collapsing,’”
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/10/iphone-sales-are-collapsing-investor-dan-niles-warns.html

Guess that didn’t happen .

Are you even understand what kind of things you spell out? iPhone XR are selling well over $1000 in Canada. It is all about currency. Apple is not charging $924 for iPhone XR in China. Apple is charging $795 for iPhone XR in China (before pride reduction). Additionally, all sales tax are included in the price tag, unlike US or Canada, price labeled are pretax. If you factoring tax, price variation is not much difference. It is hard to get real after tax iPhone sales price in US, since different states have different state tax.

I also did quick search on Taobao, iPhone XR selling price is around 5200 and sometime you can find deals for under 5000RMB (755 USD). iPhone XS and iPhone XS Max can be found around 7000 (1070USD) to 8000 RMB(1162USD). And remember, this is tax included, unlike in US or Canada. .

I perfectly understand and I’m going to have to go with CNBC and apple here:

For iPhones, the iPhone XR is down 4.6 percent to 6199 RMB ($923.60), reports CNBC, while the iPhone XS and iPhone XS Max are down 500 RMB ($74.50) each, starting as low as 8199 RMB ($1,221.58). While considerable, the price cuts still put the iPhones at a higher cost per device compared to other markets, such as the US which lists the iPhone XR at $749 before tax.


Kind of looks like apple is selling the xr for over $900 in China.

If I use third party sellers in the Uk I can find the iPhone XR and Xs for less than what apple is retailing them for, but that discount is absorbed by the retailer not apple.

What were the prices in q2 on those websites ?

Yes. I don’t go hotels. I Airbnb all the time. Not paying hotel for that matter.

So you think 5 star hotels and resorts are restrictive and a ripoff. Ok

I have tried iCloud, but I gave up. I am not paying Apple for something I can use only on iOS or Mac.

How long ago was that, I’m just asking because you claimed to be an “educated tech” user.

Lots of users that don’t like paying for service are drawn to google and android naturally.

And downloading photo from Google Photo is pretty easy. Access to computer, login to Google Photo and you can download entire Google Photo library if you wish. I have downloaded yogi to all the way back from 2013 to early 2019.

Migrating away from google photos isn’t as easy as you think,

Even that is no guarantee that photo meta data will transfer as well.

 

[FFR]

You copied and pasted this post from some other site, because I’ve read it before. This is not your own wording, perhaps provide a link/citation for something that’s not your own work. Because the numbers that are in your post, there’s no way you would’ve come up with those on your own without referring to a source.

Good eye. Didn’t think anyone else would catch it.

 

[I7guy]

No, you copy and pasted don’t think you clicked the link I provided. Had you read the link, you wouldnt Have Needed to provided another link referencing the same report.

iPhone sales are up in Australia, Germany, Spain, Italy, and China.

With a slight drop in sales, in the Us,France, Uk, and japan.

That’s not bad. That’s actually pretty good for that time of year and at iPhones premium price points. Apple iPhone market share increasing in China during Huawei’s blacklisting is impressive given the calls to boycott the iPhone at the time. And who could forgot all the clueless analysts claiming iPhone sales were collapsing in China.

“China isn’t Apple’s only problem, iPhone sales are ‘collapsing,’”
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/10/iphone-sales-are-collapsing-investor-dan-niles-warns.html

Guess that didn’t happen .




I perfectly understand and I’m going to have to go with CNBC and apple here:

For iPhones, the iPhone XR is down 4.6 percent to 6199 RMB ($923.60), reports CNBC, while the iPhone XS and iPhone XS Max are down 500 RMB ($74.50) each, starting as low as 8199 RMB ($1,221.58). While considerable, the price cuts still put the iPhones at a higher cost per device compared to other markets, such as the US which lists the iPhone XR at $749 before tax.


Kind of looks like apple is selling the xr for over $900 in China.

If I use third party sellers in the Uk I can find the iPhone XR and Xs for less than what apple is retailing them for, but that discount is absorbed by the retailer not apple.

What were the prices in q2 on those websites ?




So you think 5 star hotels and resorts are restrictive and a ripoff. Ok



How long ago was that, I’m just asking because you claimed to be an “educated tech” user.

Lots of users that don’t like paying for service are drawn to google and android naturally.




Migrating away from google photos isn’t as easy as you think,

Even that is no guarantee that photo meta data will transfer as well.

With respect to "educated tech user", what the heck is that even? And does any company want to cater to a minority of "educated tech users"?(those who know what an SSH is, or is an "educated tech user" someone who can use the node.js framework and get a website up and running? Or maybe someone who can use a smartphone?)

With "iphone loyalty dropping" as the title "factually" states, does Apple want "educated tech users"? Or do they want consumers who are interesting in getting things done using their products and services.

BTW, FWIW, if I wanted a cross-platform solution, I would look at some other solution from dropbox or amazon and wouldn't use google.

I don't buy the premise of the original post as the statistical sample of the concern quoted, might be tainted, which is why the wording is hedging the bets by using "suggests", as opposed to "is".

 

[tranceking26]

Why?

Why? Because I've had great experiences with all of my iOS/Apple devices.

My iPod has lasted over ten years and still works brilliantly.

Always had great customer service too, either by phone call, live chat or in person.

 

[I7guy]

Apple will continue to exploit their users for as much money as they think they can get away with. They are the same as everyone else in this regard.
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Why?

People who believe Apples' products are over-priced or expensive or the functionality does not justify the price, etc. Are free to buy elsewhere. Nobody is forcing anybody to buy anything. Vote with your wallets. I do think, however, apple doesn't price to gouge, it prices to what it thinks the value is to their customers.

 

[LovingTeddy]

No, you copy and pasted don’t think you clicked the link I provided. Had you read the link, you wouldnt Have Needed to provided another link referencing the same report.

iPhone sales are up in Australia, Germany, Spain, Italy, and China.

With a slight drop in sales, in the Us,France, Uk, and japan.

That’s not bad. That’s actually pretty good for that time of year and at iPhones premium price points. Apple iPhone market share increasing in China during Huawei’s blacklisting is impressive given the calls to boycott the iPhone at the time. And who could forgot all the clueless analysts claiming iPhone sales were collapsing in China.

“China isn’t Apple’s only problem, iPhone sales are ‘collapsing,’”
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/10/iphone-sales-are-collapsing-investor-dan-niles-warns.html

Guess that didn’t happen .




I perfectly understand and I’m going to have to go with CNBC and apple here:

For iPhones, the iPhone XR is down 4.6 percent to 6199 RMB ($923.60), reports CNBC, while the iPhone XS and iPhone XS Max are down 500 RMB ($74.50) each, starting as low as 8199 RMB ($1,221.58). While considerable, the price cuts still put the iPhones at a higher cost per device compared to other markets, such as the US which lists the iPhone XR at $749 before tax.


Kind of looks like apple is selling the xr for over $900 in China.

If I use third party sellers in the Uk I can find the iPhone XR and Xs for less than what apple is retailing them for, but that discount is absorbed by the retailer not apple.

What were the prices in q2 on those websites ?




So you think 5 star hotels and resorts are restrictive and a ripoff. Ok



How long ago was that, I’m just asking because you claimed to be an “educated tech” user.

Lots of users that don’t like paying for service are drawn to google and android naturally.




Migrating away from google photos isn’t as easy as you think,

Even that is no guarantee that photo meta data will transfer as well.

I give you example. You can find iPhone XR for lot cheaper than Apple official website. And Taobao is where majority of people in China buying their iPhone at. Not directly from Apple. Unless you don’t care about your own money.

And I highly doubt retailers are absorbing the discount. For what i understand, the wholesale price for iPhone has dropped significantly. Therefore, retailer can offer bigger discount.

And I repeat again. The price you saw on Apple website are after tax price. 6199 is after tax price. Tax is about 720RMB, that put your 5479 before tax. That is about 796 USD before tax. Apple is not ****ing selling 900USD. Not even close.

And there are no boycotting iPhone. And in China, Apple isn’t just competing with Huawei. There is Xiaomi, Oppo, Vivo. Apple is nowhere near top 5 smartphone vendor.

I don’t know about you. I can select batch of photos using keyboard on desktop and it will download as zip file. I can then unzip it and stored my hard drive. And I don’t care about iCloud. There is no reason for me to use any Apple services, if Google can offer unlimited storage for free.

 

[I7guy]

I give you example. You can find iPhone XR for lot cheaper than Apple official website. And Taobao is where majority of people in China buying their iPhone at. Not directly from Apple. Unless you don’t care about your own money.
Is Taobao similar to ebay?

And I highly doubt retailers are absorbing the discount. For what i understand, the wholesale price for iPhone has dropped significantly. Therefore, retailer can offer bigger discount.

And there are no boycotting iPhone. And in China, Apple isn’t just competing with Huawei. There is Xiaomi, Oppo, Vivo. Apple is nowhere near top 5 smartphone vendor.

Samsung is also in the mix. Out of curiosity how is Samsung doing?

I don’t know about you. I can select batch of photos using keyboard on desktop and it will download as zip file. I can then unzip it and stored my hard drive. And I don’t care about iCloud. There is no reason for me to use any Apple services, if Google can offer unlimited storage for free.

It's great that google worked out for you. I don't trust them with my photos.

 

[Shanghaichica]

I give you example. You can find iPhone XR for lot cheaper than Apple official website. And Taobao is where majority of people in China buying their iPhone at. Not directly from Apple. Unless you don’t care about your own money.

And I highly doubt retailers are absorbing the discount. For what i understand, the wholesale price for iPhone has dropped significantly. Therefore, retailer can offer bigger discount.

And I repeat again. The price you saw on Apple website are after tax price. 6199 is after tax price. Tax is about 720RMB, that put your 5479 before tax. That is about 796 USD before tax. Apple is not ****ing selling 900USD. Not even close.

And there are no boycotting iPhone. And in China, Apple isn’t just competing with Huawei. There is Xiaomi, Oppo, Vivo. Apple is nowhere near top 5 smartphone vendor.

I don’t know about you. I can select batch of photos using keyboard on desktop and it will download as zip file. I can then unzip it and stored my hard drive. And I don’t care about iCloud. There is no reason for me to use any Apple services, if Google can offer unlimited storage for free.

You have to pay for google drive storage and if you use the free google photos service it compresses the photos.

 

[LovingTeddy]

You have to pay for google drive storage and if you use the free google photos service it compresses the photos.

I know that. I am ok with compressed photo.
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Samsung is also in the mix. Out of curiosity how is Samsung doing?


It's great that google worked out for you. I don't trust them with my photos.

What Samsung has to do with this? And they are doing poorly as well. Hey, at least Apple is doing better than Samsung. Something to be proud of.

I am just going to give an example here. My wife and my family. My wife’s parents, parents brothers and sisters and their children. My parents, my parents brothers and sisters and their children. I think it is more than 50 people. Before our wedding at my wife’s place, which is 2017. I have count, not more than 5 iPhones. And rest are Android phones.

 

[Shirasaki]

Migrating away from google photos isn’t as easy as you think,

Even that is no guarantee that photo meta data will transfer as well.

Not to mention Google Photos “unlimited storage” option compress all your images to lower quality one, even if they retain the same amount of pixels. I cannot confirm, but technically they can downscale original photos, store the downscale ones, and upscale them before sending them for download. I seriously doubt Google does nothing to images lower than 16MP.

And Taobao is where majority of people in China buying their iPhone at. Not directly from Apple. Unless you don’t care about your own money.

While I acknowledge the fact that Taobao is the more popular way to buy stuff in China, people who only buy expensive devices from Taobao and suffer from potential damage during transporting and delivery just to save a few hundred RMB don’t care about their money either.

And there are no boycotting iPhone.

Which is the exact opposite by my friends who are living in China tells to me. But I am not gonna dig this rabbit hole here.

 

[LovingTeddy]

Not to mention Google Photos “unlimited storage” option compress all your images to lower quality one, even if they retain the same amount of pixels. I cannot confirm, but technically they can downscale original photos, store the downscale ones, and upscale them before sending them for download. I seriously doubt Google does nothing to images lower than 16MP.

While I acknowledge the fact that Taobao is the more popular way to buy stuff in China, people who only buy expensive devices from Taobao and suffer from potential damage during transporting and delivery just to save a few hundred RMB don’t care about their money either.

Which is the exact opposite by my friends who are living in China tells to me. But I am not gonna dig this rabbit hole here.

Apple using same shipper as most Taobao sellers does. Shunfeng is the main shipper, I believe but it could be other.

Before you accept the item, people usually check the product before signing. You can reject the item and ask them to send back. You will get your money back.

People who buy lots of stuff from Taobao, JD.com, Tianmao or other website, they usually know where to buy and what to look at. Usually if you go so called the flagship store, chances of you get counterfeit is extremely low.

This is not hard science.

 

[Shirasaki]

How long are you staying China for? Last time, I stayed in China for about a month. And yes, I did use local SIM card. All my photos were taken with Huawei and iPhone. I don’t need back up my photo constantly and I am usually careful with my phones. When I back in Canada, I backed up to Google photos.

If I need access Google stuff, I fire up phones with Canadian SIM and it is 12 dollars a day and when I done with it, I switch back to local SIM. And I streaming with QQ Music, watching videos on Aiqiyi or QQ.
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Dude. If you know anything about Taobao, you know where to find legit iPhone at lower prices.

For example, the iPhone XR, XS and XS max I found on Taobao for 5200RMB are sold by Suning Yigou, one of the biggest electronic retailers in China. I doubt they will sell random locked device that end user probably cannot do **** about.

I don’t give about country specific thing. I am only talking about prices and responding to other poster. I never use FaceTime, iMessage. FaceTime and iMessage are disabled by default for me. I don’t want deal with issue with iMessage.

Your use case shows us you are perfectly fine using Chinese Android devices and you are super happy about this. I think it is time to put an end to my struggle here. Case closed. iPhone is not for you, but pretty much the only choice for me for a very long time.
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Apple using same shipper as most Taobao sellers does. Shunfeng is the main shipper, I believe but it could be other.

Before you accept the item, people usually check the product before signing. You can reject the item and ask them to send back. You will get your money back.

People who buy lots of stuff from Taobao, JD.com, Tianmao or other website, they usually know where to buy and what to look at. Usually if you go so called the flagship store, chances of you get counterfeit is extremely low.

This is not hard science.

Ok, ok, I get it. They don’t care about shopping to a physical store anymore. This reminds me of warehouses and delivery companies. Also about “Check before sign” thing, I bought quite a few products as recent as 7-8 years ago while some others were bought 15-18 years ago. Those delivery guys did not want you to spend even a bit longer time checking the package, let alone “product itself” before rushing you to sign so he could leave, most of the time.

This is not a hard science either.

Well, I will close the case here as well since Australia is not China, yet.

 

[I7guy]

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What Samsung has to do with this? And they are doing poorly as well. Hey, at least Apple is doing better than Samsung. Something to be proud of.

Mentioned Samsung because of the laundry list of android vendors selling in China, except that Samsung was omitted.

edit: As far as the compressed photos you get what you pay for and I'm not okay with compressing photos.

I am just going to give an example here. My wife and my family. My wife’s parents, parents brothers and sisters and their children. My parents, my parents brothers and sisters and their children. I think it is more than 50 people. Before our wedding at my wife’s place, which is 2017. I have count, not more than 5 iPhones. And rest are Android phones.

I'll give my own anecdotal example. 40+ people in the extended family, two androids. Everyone else has an iphone, even the kids/teens.

 

[LovingTeddy]

Your use case shows us you are perfectly fine using Chinese Android devices and you are super happy about this. I think it is time to put an end to my struggle here. Case closed. iPhone is not for you, but pretty much the only choice for me for a very long time.
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Ok, ok, I get it. They don’t care about shopping to a physical store anymore. This reminds me of warehouses and delivery companies. Also about “Check before sign” thing, I bought quite a few products as recent as 7-8 years ago while some others were bought 15-18 years ago. Those delivery guys did not want you to spend even a bit longer time checking the package, let alone “product itself” before rushing you to sign so he could leave, most of the time.

This is not a hard science either.

Well, I will close the case here as well since Australia is not China, yet.

Why would anyone go to physical store anymore unless you are physically out in the street. You can get same stuff for lot cheaper and often you are not paying for shipping.

One day or same day shipping is common. I don’t see the point for going to physical store.

Even when I am in Canada, which I primary reside, I go Amazon frequently. There is a reason why retail stores are struggling.

 

[sammy2066]

All-new design, three cameras, starting at $1199 - same great 5W charger, no headphone dongle, no USB-C, and plentiful base capacity of 64 GB. Third camera only a cut-out on the smaller iPhone XI, actual camera included with the XI Max only.

 

[LovingTeddy]

Mentioned Samsung because of the laundry list of android vendors selling in China, except that Samsung was omitted.


I'll give my own anecdotal example. 40+ people in the extended family, two androids. Everyone else has an iphone, even the kids/teens.

That is difference between US and China. Here is why: most Apple services can be replaced by other services.

Everybody in China using WeChat, not iMessage. Everybody in China is using QQ music, Baidu Music, not Apple Music. Everyone is using WeChat Pay and Alipay etc.

Apple Services are most irrelevant in China. Chinese people are free to jump ship anytime they wish.

I am jumping between iPhone and Android phone all the time. I don’t tie myself into one particular platform and not subject myself into hostage of one.

 

[FFR]

I give you example. You can find iPhone XR for lot cheaper than Apple official website. And Taobao is where majority of people in China buying their iPhone at. Not directly from Apple. Unless you don’t care about your own money.

Yes an example. But it’s over $900 from apple just like CNBC reported.

Sure you can get cheaper iPhones anywhere in the world form third party sites.

Any data to back up your opinion on apple iPhone sales in China, apple retail vs tabao

Someone willing to spend 12 dollars a day to access google services shouldn’t be giving advice on spending money.

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And I highly doubt retailers are absorbing the discount. For what i understand, the wholesale price for iPhone has dropped significantly. Therefore, retailer can offer bigger discount.

Doubt away but that’s how business works.
Any data to back up your opinion on apple
Whole sale prices in China

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And I repeat again. The price you saw on Apple website are after tax price. 6199 is after tax price. Tax is about 720RMB, that put your 5479 before tax. That is about 796 USD before tax. Apple is not ****ing selling 900USD. Not even close.

That’s the check out page. So they kind of are even if taxes are included.

Just so you know some states don’t charge sales tax , Oregon and I believe Delaware so there is that as well.

And there are no boycotting iPhone. And in China, Apple isn’t just competing with Huawei. There is Xiaomi, Oppo, Vivo. Apple is nowhere near top 5 smartphone vendor.

Because it was unsuccessful.

“Anti-Apple sentiment in China is on the rise
BuzzFeed News had detailed the growing Apple boycott movement earlier this month, and matters are only getting worse. A South China Morning Post report this morning is offering more perspective on the anti-Apple sentiment. Chinese consumers are feeling that they should support domestic brands instead of buying products from foreign companies.

"There is a calling from my heart that I need to show support for Chinese brands, especially in the trade war climate," one consumer told the outlet. "It's kind of embarrassing to pull an iPhone out of your pocket nowadays when all the company executives use Huawei," another telecom worker said.”

Looks like iPhone competes.
Apple also has 20% of the urban Chinese market
And dominates the premium smartphone segment in China. Dominates with an 85% market share in China.

“Even though Apple’s shipments faced a slight YoY decline, it remains the only company that dominates the >US$600 premium segment in China. In 2017Q4, Apple alone made up 85% of the overall shipments in that segment. It has not been easy for the Chinese smartphone companies to drive higher volumes at higher prices but Apple is still clearly the market leader in this space”
https://macdailynews.com/2018/02/07...ium-smartphone-market-in-china-with-85-share/

The article is from last year If you find an updated you can post it.

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I don’t know about you. I can select batch of photos using keyboard on desktop and it will download as zip file. I can then unzip it and stored my hard drive. And I don’t care about iCloud. There is no reason for me to use any Apple services, if Google can offer unlimited storage for free.

I wouldn’t trust google with my photos.

Well try migrating your photos with thier metadata to iCloud or another service and see how easy it is from google photos
Is the phones metadata unused in the zip file?

So you never used iCloud, because if the price. Ok.
Probably shouldn’t have claimed to have tried it as an “educated tech” user.

Unlimited compressed storage. You get what you pay for.

 

[FFR]

That is difference between US and China. Here is why: most Apple services can be replaced by other services.

Everybody in China using WeChat, not iMessage. Everybody in China is using QQ music, Baidu Music, not Apple Music. Everyone is using WeChat Pay and Alipay etc.

Apple Services are most irrelevant in China. Chinese people are free to jump ship anytime they wish.

I am jumping between iPhone and Android phone all the time. I don’t tie myself into one particular platform and not subject myself into hostage of one.

Stop making stuff up.
iMessage users in China flooded with spam
http://www.ecns.cn/m/news/society/2019-05-15/detail-ifzicwaz7652692.shtml

That’s a recent article from this year as well.
It really looks like you don’t know what your taking about.