A few closing thoughts...
Hi Folks,
I am really starting to enjoy this conversation for the reasons you will see below:
suneohair
Ok. So we go from 10.5 to music...
I suggest that you consider:
"...Short for digital rights management, a system for protecting the copyrights of data circulated via the Internet or other digital media by enabling secure distribution and/or disabling illegal distribution of the data. Typically, a DRM system protects intellectual property by either encrypting the data so that it can only be accessed by authorized users or marking the content with a digital watermark or similar method so that the content can not be freely distributed."
http://www.dlib.org/dlib/june01/iannella/06iannella.html
“...Digital Rights Management (generally abbreviated to DRM) is an umbrella term that refers to any of several technologies used by publishers or copyright owners to control access to and usage of digital data or hardware, and to restrictions associated with a specific instance of a digital work or device. The term is often confused with copy protection and technical protection measures; these two terms refer to technologies that control or restrict the use and access of digital content on electronic devices with such technologies installed, acting as components of a DRM design....”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Rights_Management
And then you might want to consider from today's news:
Parallels and VMWare, the respective makers of Parallels Desktop and VMWare Fusion virtualisation solutions for the Mac have both admitted that they will not support Mac OS X virtualisation in their software.
The reason isn't technical though, as the two companies probably know how to make this work without the need of Apple.
The problem is that neither Parallels or VMWare want to strain their relationship with Apple by adding this feature without the Mac-maker's consent and, by the way, violating or encouraging to violate its current user license agreement as well as Apple's copyright regarding the protection system the company has developed so as to prevent Mac OS X from booting on anything that is not a Mac.
It's also worth to note that, although many users of Parallels Desktop for Mac or VMWare Fusion will probably get a copy of Vista and run it on their Mac. The Windows Vista's user license agreement only allows Business editions of Vista to be used under an virtual environment. So Apple is not the only company that prevents its users from virtualizing its operating system.
http://www.macscoop.com/articles/2007/02/14/parallels-and-vmware-mac-os-x-wont-be-virtualized
breakfastcrew
if you open os 10 to every single ****** piece of hardware out there it will instantly turn into a pile of crap like windows.
Well... anyone who has every used programs like Quicken on both a PC & Apple system would instantly realize that OS X still has a major problem with a HUGE lag in equal program development.
On the other hand... I have often wondered why no other manufacture has been able to produce the simple elegance of the Apple line of hardware. I and perhaps many others would love to buy Apple hardware and run what ever OS I want to run. In fact, I currently run several versions of Linux (am using Ubuntu for this session) on Apple and PC hardware platforms and will continue to do so in the future. If on the other hand, you live in fear of making a decision relating to you computing life, the old Bell System is coming back just for you and they'll be glad to help you...
Well this is pretty easy, please see the above references
dejo
No, it has been challenged. And I'll repeat: Mac OS X is already without DRM.
Now here is the crux of my point.
wazgilbert
Imagine that if you will....
not forgetting that slightly before that time, Darwin was being touted by apple as their enormous contribution to Open Source....
Then after cherry-picking the open-source developers' work, closed the OS to the outside world, spiked all OSX86 avenues with the EFI and ran-off with the money.
Ducks in a barrel: please see the reference above!
John Jacob
My two cents... There is no DRM in Mac OS X, and there is nothing that is comparable or analogous to it. There is something comparable to DRM in Windows, it is called product activation.
Complaining that Mac OS X does not run on other PCs... bad analogy. That is like complaining that your X-Box games don't run on your PS3.
Thank You for making a point that I cannot apparently make!
bearbo
but the artifically restricting OS X to macintosh hardware would be a form of DRM, wouldn't it? this might not be same to the whole Activation thing,but it's still DRM of a sort
Oops, see the entire thread to learn about OS X!
gnasher729
No Mac operating system has ever had any technological measures that would prevent you in any way from using it for the purpose it was sold and bought for. Mac operating systems also never had any technological measures that would prevent you from illegally copying them and using them on another Mac without paying.
GFLPraxis
Huge. Music is content and media. An operating system is an application, a peice of code.
Oh My... Just what is music???
What are you talking about? Macs don't even have a BIOS.
Who's child is this?
GFLPraxis
Apple's hardware uses EFI instead of BIOS. Apple designed Intel OS X to run on EFI and simply didn't do any work to make it run on a machine with a BIOS (an older technology).
Well first: Why do you suppose that is a fact? DUH and, So sorry, neither Apple or Steve or Next “designed OS X
aristobrat
Didn't Apple specifically put TPM chips in its Intel Macs that OS X checks for?
Well, for awhile you where right, and that leads to one of the most elegant hacks OF ALL TIME!! And, no one really knows who this genius was... When IBM first tried to be APPLE and so to control the hardware market, IBM put in the BIOS/OS boot a simple check that looked for the copyrighted words "GENUINE IBM..." So the first real hacker of the modern PC (after it was determined that there was a market in cloning PC's) simply put in his boot sequence "this is not at GENUIEN IBM" system" and the rest is history! You see class, you can trademark and copy protect a lots of stuff BUT!!!, if it is used in an sentence, it is not covered by the copyright or trademark laws...
Another Orphan...
Eric5h5
Yep. Does it stop anyone from freely copying OS X an infinite number of times and installing it on any and all Macs that one can get one's hands on? Nope. The music/DRM analogy doesn't hold water.
Thank You gnasher729
Thank You Georgie
Thank you Musubi
flyfish29
Again, lets stay (get back) on topic (I am not helping with that am I?)....if we can even figure out what that topic is anymore...the original poster still has not clarified the one thing we have not yet addressed (supposedly)
And the MAJOR DUH Award goes to: flyfish29 for...
OH yeah, no Apple has none of this type of protection on their software- they just trust their users.
Apple doesn't right drivers?
Apple's secret weapon
(from
http://apcmag.com/5359/how_apple_could_crush_dell_better_windows_pcs )
All the coverage of Apple's Boot Camp dual-boot installer has revolved around the fact that it makes it possible to run Windows on a Mac. Fair enough, that's the sexy, killer feature.
But there's another powerful side to it that the press has barely focused on: the all-in-one driver installer.
Apple is applying its integrated hardware-and-software model to running Windows via Boot Camp.
One install CD has all the drivers you need no matter what model of Intel-Mac you're using.
It's downloadable from Apple's website, and it doesn't require you to make any choices about which flavour of Intel-Mac you're using: it senses the hardware and figures it out for you.
Admittedly, the current betas of Boot Camp are far from perfect -- probably by design, since Steve Jobs wants to sell upgrades to Mac OS X 10.5 with the final version built-in.
In the long run, maintenance of Boot Camp will become a major pain for Apple, because it will inevitably have to manage 20 different wireless chipset drivers as its hardware engineers move to cheaper or newer designs. Already Apple's "Airport Extreme" brand has a generous handful of different chipsets in use.
But unlike every other PC maker's drivers, it's Apple's problem to sort out the driver mess, not yours.
As an Apple customer, you just get one driver CD that does it all.
Closing thoughts...
There are people who recognize that computers are tools and use them accordingly for pleasure and work. There are people who think that computers are interesting and use them for entertainment. And then, there are people who really know nothing of computers and therefore the worship them out of fear and for their superiority over them...
Oh well, this has been stimulating!
Cheers,
Tom
