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Siri confirmed on iPhone 4
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WeegieMac
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Those tweets are from the 12th. The videos of the UI running (the original choppy one and the far superior, slicker one) are from today (yesterday at the latest).
George Knighton
macrumors 65816
I agree. It would be a redistribution of copyrighted material that accesses someone's servers without permission and in a way that is prohibited by a TOS associated with the access.
They will have to be very careful, because on the premise it appears to up the ante with jail breaking considerably and might provoke an over reaction from Corporate.
I hope they move carefully and thoughtfully with this, and consider their legal positions thoroughly.
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Reading through the guys tweets, he said if they can find a low level exploit in the A5 chip they can't avoid having to redistribute copyrighted material, not sure how that's going to work though. He also said it would be relatively easy to spoof the device I.D to trick the servers to think you're on a 4S.
If the tweak works well & it can be done safely I'd definitely consider it, I don't want to upgrade my iPhone 4 yet.
Reading through the guys tweets, he said if they can find a low level exploit in the A5 chip they can't avoid having to redistribute copyrighted material, not sure how that's going to work though. He also said it would be relatively easy to spoof the device I.D to trick the servers to think you're on a 4S.
If the tweak works well & it can be done safely I'd definitely consider it, I don't want to upgrade my iPhone 4 yet.
Woodcrest64
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Siri Successfully Ported To the iPhone 4
Website: POCKET NOW
Link: http://pocketnow.com/iphone/work-underway-on-bringing-siri-to-original-iphone-4
"Now that the iPhone 4S has arrived, new owners of the smartphone have the opportunity to try out the much-hyped Siri voice assistant. Everyone who isn't making the upgrade, though, won't be able to officially use Siri. We make that stipulation, because it's now looking likely that an effort to crack the app will lead to its eventual release for the jailbroken iPhone 4.
The big concern was that Apple might try to do something more extreme than checking what version iPhone you have, like build the app specifically to require hardware features not present on the original iPhone 4. Since there's now a new processor being used, one theory was that the app would be compiled with the A5 in mind. It turns out that's not the case, and (given the proper motivation) Siri should be capable of running on the A4.
Of course, it still remains to be seen just how important the A5's speed is towards making the system usable, but that's something to be worried-about further down the line. For now, work continues on bringing Siri to the iPhone 4 and the fourth-generation iPod touch.
Update: Apparently Steve Troughton-Smith has already managed to port Siri to the iPhone 4 giving one less reason to purchase a new Apple-phone (especially if you're not sold on the A5 chip and the improved camera). "
This is good for all those with an iPhone 4 😀
Website: POCKET NOW
Link: http://pocketnow.com/iphone/work-underway-on-bringing-siri-to-original-iphone-4
"Now that the iPhone 4S has arrived, new owners of the smartphone have the opportunity to try out the much-hyped Siri voice assistant. Everyone who isn't making the upgrade, though, won't be able to officially use Siri. We make that stipulation, because it's now looking likely that an effort to crack the app will lead to its eventual release for the jailbroken iPhone 4.
The big concern was that Apple might try to do something more extreme than checking what version iPhone you have, like build the app specifically to require hardware features not present on the original iPhone 4. Since there's now a new processor being used, one theory was that the app would be compiled with the A5 in mind. It turns out that's not the case, and (given the proper motivation) Siri should be capable of running on the A4.
Of course, it still remains to be seen just how important the A5's speed is towards making the system usable, but that's something to be worried-about further down the line. For now, work continues on bringing Siri to the iPhone 4 and the fourth-generation iPod touch.
Update: Apparently Steve Troughton-Smith has already managed to port Siri to the iPhone 4 giving one less reason to purchase a new Apple-phone (especially if you're not sold on the A5 chip and the improved camera). "
This is good for all those with an iPhone 4 😀
labman
macrumors 604
yep no voice and no voice commands smooth as silk. 🙄 the guy working on it says the biggest hurdle is I5's lack of a GPU. http://9to5mac.com/2011/10/14/siri-voice-command-system-ported-from-iphone-4s-to-iphone-4-video/
Still allot of work to do.. I also now understand why the Dev-Team is staying away from this. It crosses the line and they like to stay arms length from Apples lawyers.
WeegieMac
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First video was laggy, see the second video ... he improved performance within hours.
EvanLugh
macrumors 68000
it wasn't laggy per sé, they had GPU disabled (if you read the full post you would've seen 😱)
Personally, i think this is a great start.
WeegieMac
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I did read the full thing, I knew why it was laggy on first attempt, but I was merely answering the bloke above (who I originally quoted) in layman's terms and telling him a second, better video was available should he chose to look.
Happy?
And yes, it's a great start, but Siri will never run on the iPhone 4 due to server level access being required for the service.
gescom
macrumors regular
For me it is the only reason, did the jailbreaks in the past and I have to say it doesn't do much for me. So glad to see Siri attempts though as I had fun today just trying to trick it into responding to odd questions.
ECUpirate44
macrumors 603
Getting it to connect to Apple's servers might prove to be more difficult than porting it onto the iPhone 4.
I'm almost certain that Siri is simply recording the voice on the user side, then sending the data to Apple's servers, where a massively powerfully bank of data processors is doing the heavy lifting and sending her replies back to the phone.
This would mean that ANY Apple device with a decent audio recorder should be able to work with Siri. The 4s restriction is to avoid frequent or extended server issues (one of which occured a few hours ago). There's supposedly 2 million 4s phones in the wild already, and they all want to show off Siri to everyone they encounter. Imagine Apple dealing with 100 million iOS devices capable of using the service simultaneously. Once the hype dies down, it will be on other devices.
Going back to my first sentence - I would bet that Apple is also using the data THEY get from every voice sample Siri handles to further along the technology. They are way ahead in the "touch" race, and suddenly, they're pulling away in voice.
This would mean that ANY Apple device with a decent audio recorder should be able to work with Siri. The 4s restriction is to avoid frequent or extended server issues (one of which occured a few hours ago). There's supposedly 2 million 4s phones in the wild already, and they all want to show off Siri to everyone they encounter. Imagine Apple dealing with 100 million iOS devices capable of using the service simultaneously. Once the hype dies down, it will be on other devices.
Going back to my first sentence - I would bet that Apple is also using the data THEY get from every voice sample Siri handles to further along the technology. They are way ahead in the "touch" race, and suddenly, they're pulling away in voice.
EvanLugh
macrumors 68000
You don't need to get snotty, i thought i'd multi-quoted both of you, but apparently just you.
Edit for the sake of a user: Sorry
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WeegieMac
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Well, to be fair my friend, you were the one who got "snotty" first by trying to show some pompous "knowledge" that you arrogantly presumed I didn't know simply because I didn't mention it.
As I said, the only thing the person I replied to needed to know was that a second video with better performance existed. Given his original post, there was no need to mention the technicalities of why the first video was so poor in quality. Telling the guy that the GPU issues were the reason for the sluggish frame rate added nothing to what he was saying at the time.
EvanLugh
macrumors 68000
again, i was simply adding to the discussion - this is a forum, and accidentally didn't quote the original poster before you, but as your reply was also relevant, i quoted it too (multi-quote gone wrong). Hence why it got mixed up.
Secondly, I didn't arrogantly presume at all - if you don't understand the '😱' embarrassed-pointing-something-out- smiley, then i'm sorry. This is the internet, no need to get so enthralled in a little mistake or turn this into a heated discussion.
Please don't reply (to me), it's not adding anything worthwhile to the thread.
😱 😉
To port Siri to any other device other than 4S or newer would be stupid. All those people that bought the 4S (siri, which makes it completely unique besides camera and graphics) would lose complete faith in Apple. Apple wouldn't do such a thing. The only hope for us iPhone 4 for Siri is to hope someone can hack it well enough, that is without getting into serious trouble
My guess is that we'd see it on the iPad 2 before the iP4 if it was an official release, why?
A5.
Probably if Apple requires the device authentication to have an A5 processor. I guess we'll find out. Hopefully not
dalilblaze
macrumors member
I went and got a 4s yesterday.... I was due for hardware upgrade soon at Telus so I just paid the extra bit to cover the early upgrade. That means I definitely have to wait for the JB now. What makes not having Lock Info a bit easier to swallow is, from my lock screen without unlocking, I can just activate Siri and ask "Siri, what is the weather for Halifax today?" or "Siri, do I have any appointments today?" and get a prompt display of either, along with a polite "Here you are" response! 😛
p.s. I know I don't need to use Siri's name in my questions, but it kinda feels more futuristic when I do hahaha
p.s. I know I don't need to use Siri's name in my questions, but it kinda feels more futuristic when I do hahaha
bigsexyy81
macrumors 6502a
So this current port of Siri... would at be able to run commands required on the phone that would not require it to connect to Apple's servers?
Like if I asked it 'Send text to Jason Paul saying what's up buddy?'
Or 'Add reminder to record the news today at 5:30 PM'
Or 'Call mom on her cell phone'
These are all programs on the phone itself that should not require Siri to connect to the servers to provide an answer, right?
Like if I asked it 'Send text to Jason Paul saying what's up buddy?'
Or 'Add reminder to record the news today at 5:30 PM'
Or 'Call mom on her cell phone'
These are all programs on the phone itself that should not require Siri to connect to the servers to provide an answer, right?
Don't get your hopes up, guys. It may be easy to get the interface to work on an iPhone 4, but getting it to authenticate with Apple's servers is much a bigger challenge.
And after all, the only legal way to port Siri to earlier devices is to buy a 4S and transfer the files from the 4S to your old device. And that kinda defeats the whole point, right?
And after all, the only legal way to port Siri to earlier devices is to buy a 4S and transfer the files from the 4S to your old device. And that kinda defeats the whole point, right?