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What this kid said...


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Seriously?! Siri?

Besides using it once or twice as a novelty, this LITERALLY has no useful purpose.
Anything Siri can do, you can already do yourself.

Plus, speakable items allowed and still allows some voice based computer operation already.
Pair it with Automator, and you can create your own voice controlled actions.
WOW, AMAZING.

Oh, I'm sorry, is opening Siri and saying "Siri, please open Safari" more incredible than literally saying "Open Safari" to the WHOLE OS?!

I've disabled Cortana on my Windows 10 desktop and two Windows 10 virtual machines, and I'll disable Siri in OS X 10.12.
 
Cue all the complaints about the icon and how Steve is rolling in his grave...



So Siri is bloatware now?

I swear Apple could announce a zero bezel phone with 5 day battery life and people here would complain about it. :rolleyes:

Well, if they took out the headphone jack and speaker to fit the battery in, I can imagine it would be a valid bitch fest. Especially if it has 16GB of base storage with bloat OS, I mean, IOS taking up 3 GB off the bat.
 
Doesn't need an icon either, has a dedicated keyboard key.

It doesn't need a dedicated dock icon but there is no harm in having one for those who would use it. Even mission control has a dock icon available if you add it.
 
I don't like the icon, a mic would be better and more intuitive.
Anyway Siri is making its way to the Mac and it is about time. I wouldn't use it on my iMac at office since I don't want everyone to listen (I don't use it on my iPhone either) but at home it would be quite convenient.
I don't have the iPhone with me when I'm working on my Mac, I take advantage of handoff and take my calls on the Mac, and even if I'm really fast with the keyboard I sometime miss the ability to do something with Siri. For example I'd like to add an appointment to the calendar, add a reminder, search for something.
It won't be a breakthrough for me, but a convenient feature
 
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I really don't care about BMW cars. Please focus on something else, for example the clothing line....

See how ridiculous this reasoning is? There are enough designers and developers within Apple for the company to focus on both at the same time (and they require differently skilled resources too). If your favorite app is not updated enough, than it is a conscious decision by Apple to do so rather than a lack of development resources.

There should be enough designers and developers within apple, yes, but clearly, its not. (Or they are reassigned to something else). But not only pro software, but great apps like photos, imovie even garageband is going down the drain compared to what it used to be. I am sure you know about the heated discussions from final cut and logic users or mac pro users waiting for an update. I and many others dont care at all about apple watch or siri, thinner than thin imacs, apple cars, but it seems to me these are the focus areas at apple these days. They are doing both yes, but I am not happy on the direction they are going.
 
I agree with you, just it seems very possible that it will get a dock icon.
It looks so, no doubt.

It doesn't need a dedicated dock icon but there is no harm in having one for those who would use it. Even mission control has a dock icon available if you add it.
On one hand it won't harm, but on the other it's redundant and a bit confusing conception. I believe that good software (Finder and OS X in this case) should teach user a bit for efficient ways of doing things, not dumb it down. So instead of clicking on icons which are not 'real' apps (and that may confuse some people) a user will learn how to access those and other Mac features in a different way, via menu, keyboard F keys, shortcuts, trackpad gestures, etc. But I won't get into the heated dispute over this :)
 
It looks so, no doubt.


On one hand it won't harm, but on the other it's redundant and a bit confusing conception. I believe that good software (Finder and OS X in this case) should teach user a bit for efficient ways of doing things, not dumb it down. So instead of clicking on icons which are not 'real' apps (and that may confuse some people) a user will learn how to access those and other Mac features in a different way, via menu, keyboard F keys, shortcuts, trackpad gestures, etc. But I won't get into the heated dispute over this :)

I totally understand what your saying but I guess it boils down to not everybody works the same way or even the same way all the time. For example sometimes I use spotlight, sometimes keyboard shortcuts, gestures, click icon on dock... etc

Not everybody is comfortable using keyboard shortcuts (for example) and the quickest way to do something is not always the most suited to an individual. But in the end it doesn't really matter :)
 
I am thinking of what I use Siri for on my iOS devices and wondering how well they translate over to the mac.

For instance, I use Siri to make phone calls. Might work on a Mac as well thanks to continuity, but I rarely do so at home.

I use dictation on my iPhone but not on my Mac as it's simply easier to type out what I want.

I sometimes use Siri to set my alarms as well as turn them on / off. Can't see this being relevant on a Mac.

Any other suggestions?
 
I am thinking of what I use Siri for on my iOS devices and wondering how well they translate over to the mac.

For instance, I use Siri to make phone calls. Might work on a Mac as well thanks to continuity, but I rarely do so at home.

I use dictation on my iPhone but not on my Mac as it's simply easier to type out what I want.

I sometimes use Siri to set my alarms as well as turn them on / off. Can't see this being relevant on a Mac.

Any other suggestions?
I think siri is going to sync across all your devices.

EX. Tell you mac to set an alarm for 10:30am, your phone adds the alarm.
 
Great companies do have to ship eventually.

Also, who is to say they didn't think it was ready each time?

In this case "eventually" seems to mean "lets ship it and hope we can fix the worst bugs before anyone notices" instead of "wait until we are confident it has no serious bugs".

Given the number of bugs in the first 10.10 and 10.11 versions I have hard time understanding how anyone at Apple thought they would ready for release. Obviously all bugs can't be found during testing but I have hard time believing that very common problems such as WIFI (fixed in 10.10.4), installer failure, OpenCL, USB (partially fixed in 10.11.5), Mail (fixed in 10.10.4 and 10.11.4), Spotlight (partially fixed in 10.11.5) were not found during testing.

Previously .3 update was usually reliable enough for production use but currently it seems its safer to wait until .5 is released if one values stability or sanity.
 
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In this case "eventually" seems to mean "lets ship it and hope we can fix the worst bugs before anyone notices" instead of "wait until we are confident it has no serious bugs".

Given the number of bugs in the first 10.10 and 10.11 versions I have hard time understanding how anyone at Apple thought they would ready for release. Obviously all bugs can't be found during testing but I have hard time believing that very common problems such as WIFI (fixed in 10.10.4), installer failure, OpenCL, USB (partially fixed in 10.11.5), Mail (fixed in 10.10.4 and 10.11.4), Spotlight (partially fixed in 10.11.5) were not found during testing.

Previously .3 update was usually reliable enough for production use but currently it seems its safer to wait until .5 is released if one values stability or sanity.

And yet I had 0 problems with El Cap by the end of the year.
 
hope that icon is just beta, its not fitting in with the rest of the post mavericks design aesthetics.
 
why would he be in a grave if he was alive?

to get out and berate people over the visible seams and square edges.


As to siri, i don't want it to (just?) be able to launch apps and read email. I can have email read out today. I want it to be able to ASSIST me with the crap i don't want to deal with. Allow me to respond to dialog boxes popped up from apps running in the background. E.g., app processes something and needs to overwrite a file. Siri reads the dialog box to me. I can respond with "Tell <app> to continue" or "tell <app> to to abort".

Or even in advance, "Siri, if Handbrake pops up to ask me to over-write a file, just say yes".
Or "Siri, don't bug me unless i have an urgent appointment".
Or "Siri, resize all the images in this folder to half size"

Basically, enable me to tell Siri how to deal with crap that I don't want to have to deal with while I'm busy with something else.

I'm sure a lot of it can be done with combining Siri with Automator and Applescript. I'm sure a lot of it will take some time to get here. But that's the point of an "assistant" IMHO. I don't want it to just do stuff I can easily do with the keyboard and trackpad. I want it to do the tedious/unimportant stuff i can't be bothered with while i do something else.
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There are two things that Mac OS X needs right now-- Siri integration, and a touchscreen for notebooks. Amazingly, Windows has the lead in both of these areas. And that just should not be....

I have a touchscreen Windows notebook. A Surface Pro 4. I never use the touchscreen. For getting the vast majority of my actual work done, it's useless. Plus fingerprints. Give me a big trackpad any day.

Tablet is different. But tablets aren't good notebooks and notebooks aren't good tablets. The Surface sucks at both (and i've been using them as full-time work machines at #dayjob since 2013).
 
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Please don't let this be the main feature of the new OS X. Voice assistants are boring and don't understand more than half of the times what I'm saying. I don't think the technology is right there yet.

I guess I'm the odd man out here but I'm not going to sit in my living room talking to my computer - this has seriously gotten ridiculous. We now have a lot of the population walking around with their heads down, ignoring life, while we sit in our living rooms talking to a laptop. Good grief.

I guess if you live alone it doesn't matter but if you have family members in your house they may not want to participate in your "experience".
 
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There are two things that Mac OS X needs right now-- Siri integration, and a touchscreen for notebooks. Amazingly, Windows has the lead in both of these areas. And that just should not be....
I agree… SurfacePro 4 is so much more than what a MacBook Pro can do. It it more versatile than an iPad Pro. I don't think Windows is as touch-friendly as it could be, but Apple is just not innovating anymore. They are only introducing "features" as tech updates, and nothing really new. I'm starting to be romanced by Microsoft's Windows 10 and touch screens, and Android N. And I've been an Apple diehard for 20 +years.
 
In other related news, it has come to light that cleaning - and generally taking care of - your smartphone and other belongings, has the general benefit of prolonging the items' functional lifetime, as well as keeping it closer to full function for longer, in comparison to treating it like a loaf of bread...

lol yeah I just throw my loaf of bread on the floor and am constantly dropping and getting my bread all dirty and muddy. :D

But actually I am obsessively ocd about my iPhone and all the ones I have owned have been as new a year or two later. (You will just have to trust me but all my iPhones have been treated with kit gloves, often literally.) And yet its still impossible to avoid all the dust etc deep in those speaker / mic holes. But regardless I think that its a fair expectation that Siri will work the same as out of the box a few months later with "normal" use, which I think Apple would except includes pockets and outdoor usage and other very normal things of that nature.
 
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