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It's not as bad as it used to be on windows and it does depend on what your installing.

On Mac I've had to reboot after a mouse driver install. On windows, I didn't have to reboot after installing graphic drivers.
I guess that shows how long I've been out of the Windows World... Windows 7/Server 2008 SE was my last O/S over there.
 
I've got windows 10 today. I remember the likes of windows 3.1, 95, 98 and somewhat XP ( I didn't use that a great deal ) that I was rebooting even on an application install.

I was very surprised when I didn't have to reboot after the GPU driver installation on W10.


I guess that shows how long I've been out of the Windows World... Windows 7/Server 2008 SE was my last O/S over there.
 
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Hopefully Apple does something about the thickness of the iPad. It is far too thick. They should show courage and remove the battery. If people want to use it they just have to leave it plugged in. Also don't include the power cable. Make it a $50 proprietary accessory.:rolleyes:
 
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These new ultra-thin bezel iPads sound incredible. I cannot wait to get my hands on them. I predict unbelievable demand exceeding supply for many months once they launch. In other words, get your orders in as soon as they arrive on the store!!!
Thanks for checking in, Tim.

Apple has to provide something more than just 'thinner' to push significant sales to the iPad lineup.
 
So we're looking at an iPad Mini, a 9.7 inch, a 10-10.5 inch and a 12.9? That's a lot of congestion there...


Its all they can do to work around the big grey elephant in the room. Well 2 grey elephants.

One is an OS more like mac OS, the route taken by other mobile platform makers like M$. Or it time to loosen the leash on iOS a little. Can't run xcode, lacks a more accessible and flexible filesystem....usual dings here covered before I won't rehash.


Other would be external device support for say.....mice. this one I know surface people who also like in some way the IPP's. its the lack of mouse though.....hurts this when in a "desktop" setup. Hence their surface use. Its propped up like half assed laptop...for some it follows to move a mouse vice reach up to touch a screen.
 
You are correct, and if Steve was still here there would be no iPad with pencil and KB support.

According to many Steve was also quick at changing his mind. It is extremely unlikely that he would have been so easily predictable.
 
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Its all they can do to work around the big grey elephant in the room. Well 2 grey elephants.

One is an OS more like mac OS, the route taken by other mobile platform makers like M$. Or it time to loosen the leash on iOS a little. Can't run xcode, lacks a more accessible and flexible filesystem....usual dings here covered before I won't rehash.


Other would be external device support for say.....mice. this one I know surface people who also like in some way the IPP's. its the lack of mouse though.....hurts this when in a "desktop" setup. Hence their surface use. Its propped up like half assed laptop...for some it follows to move a mouse vice reach up to touch a screen.

Just a touchpad would do me. A re-design of the flappy keyboard would also be beneficial. It is by far my most hated peripheral - falls off all the time, flaps all over the place and is too complicated [I do know how to use it.....] and is the only thing I have ever had to replace [after 6 months use]. It is just basically crap. The keys are nice though.

The surface with kickstand and decent keyboard with touchpad is a far more elegant hardware solution than the ipad pro. I once thought I would never say that btw. I prefer Ios still as a tablet os though - just add in the touchpad support and all is well.
 
Why?

The keyboard part could be as thin and light as the keyboard part of a regular 2015/2016 macbook. And in there , there is enough room for x-86 hardware, ssd, battery, even speakers. It doesn' t have to be a fabric cover, could be an alu keyboard, like the macbook.

Like I said earlier, you're right. But, at that point, you literally have a MacBook without a touch screen... So, just buy a MacBook. The only thing you don't have is touch screen. Basically, everyone who wants an Apple Surface Book wants a MacBook with a touch screen. The problem is, I don't see the value added to this, and I agree with Apple when they say it is a poor option. Although, I don't really see the value in the 'Touch Bar' either.

A much more robust option would be to make iOS more feature rich and more seamlessly integrate iOS APPs with Desktop APPs. I think that's a much better option that trying to merge iOS with macOS into one or just give a MacBook a touch screen.
 
According to many Steve was also quick at changing his mind. It is extremely unlikely that he would have been so easily predictable.

Many still don't get that he didn't believe in operating an operating system with a stylus [like the old Windows phones / PDA's]. He was never against peripheral input and would have supported a pencil for artist input I would imagine.
 
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Apple is going crazy with the amount of options for its products. Different models, colors, sizes... the fragmentation in the lineup is crazy.
Where are the days when Apple just made one product but made it as close to perfection as possible... Sadly, it seems those days are long gone.
 
Like I said earlier, you're right. But, at that point, you literally have a MacBook without a touch screen... So, just buy a MacBook. The only thing you don't have is touch screen. Basically, everyone who wants an Apple Surface Book wants a MacBook with a touch screen. The problem is, I don't see the value added to this, and I agree with Apple when they say it is a poor option. Although, I don't really see the value in the 'Touch Bar' either.

A much more robust option would be to make iOS more feature rich and more seamlessly integrate iOS APPs with Desktop APPs. I think that's a much better option that trying to merge iOS with macOS into one or just give a MacBook a touch screen.

The value is I wouldn't need to have an ipad and a MacBook but just the one device.

Also don't give the ipad the keyboard option if they don't want you to input with it. If you do want to give people the option to input with a keyboard, then at least make it productive. It is useless for anything productive.

I don't want a MacBook with a touchscreen. I just want a keyboard with an ipad that allows me to easily place the cursor on documents, selecting text etc. It is a pain at present.
 
Like every other for profit company on the planet. Last time I checked Surface Studio ain't cheap.
The Surface Studio combines good specs with a pretty spot on display/digitizer. I would say their pricing is justified. just look at Wacom tablets...
 
apple is not ripping anybody off. Apple sells things at an inflated price that people are willing to pay. Apple has a very liberal return policy. If someone feels that they didn't get there monies worth they can take it back for any reason.

This is so ridiculous that it's almost funny. Selling things at inflated prices that people are willing to pay is STILL ripping people off!! The fact that they have a return policy has nothing to do with ripping people off. Just because people are willing to pay the price doesn't mean they're not getting ripped off. Plenty of examples of that in day-to-day life. Not many companies make 50% profit margins.
 
Where are the days when Apple just made one product but made it as close to perfection as possible... Sadly, it seems those days are long gone.
You are basically demanding that everybody make compromises, rather than having a choice between models, one of which might come closest to the desired specs?
No single device can ever satisfy everybody, different people have different needs - as is made obvious looking over any of these threads.
Why do you prefer having to accept one product - rather than multiple products to chose from?
Do you have difficulty choosing from a handful of models?
It's not like there are hundreds of iPad models and one would have to spend weeks researching them all.
Where is the problem with choice?
 
Business is not fair, how did you come by that conception?
Perhaps a lot of poor people in your area drive Aston Martin cars and use a Rolex to tell the time? Apple used to compare themselves to Mercedes Benz and BMW, I never heard them say "We want to be the Volkswagen of digital lifestyle products"

Reread my post then try again. I said the practice of getting rid of all but the most high-margin products is unfair. Not business in general.
 
This is so ridiculous that it's almost funny. Selling things at inflated prices that people are willing to pay is STILL ripping people off!! The fact that they have a return policy has nothing to do with ripping people off. Just because people are willing to pay the price doesn't mean they're not getting ripped off. Plenty of examples of that in day-to-day life. Not many companies make 50% profit margins.

...and your definition of "getting ripped off" is based on what exactly?
To paraphrase Adam Smith: "after production costs, transport etc. - price is determined by what the consumer is willing to pay for it".
Or would you prefer a planned economy?
That ended around 1989 (except in North Korea et. al.)
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Reread my post then try again. I said the practice of getting rid of all but the most high-margin products is unfair. Not business in general.

Thus you are saying that "business in general" is fair, but this aspect of business practice is unfair???

How odd that you would think along those lines.

No aspect of business is in anyway related to "fairness".
Why would you even inject such a concept into discussion about pricing of commodities?
BTW. Life isn't "fair" either.
 
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iPads and iPhones are the future, my dear Macrumors friends. The Laptop market is shrinking and shrinking, don't you know that? Now just accept this and stop whining.

Only because of the iPad Pro existing... I bet if it never existed and u only had the Air 2 you wouldn't be saying that.

I still reckon 9.7-inch is that nitch. you can go up (or down) but 9.7 is always a starting point.

10.5-inches may still be too big to hold, and still caters for the drawing creativity kind.
 
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I find the idea of a bezel-free tablet quite curious. More accurately I find the idea ridiculous, but I would reserve actual judgment until trying it.

I am however very interested in a new form factor, as I am growing increasingly tired of the preposterously sharp chamfer on current iPads. Whoever thought that was a good idea...

I wouldn't mind quite so much if Apple's own fairly rubbish smart case didn't also have razor sharp edges!


Sharp edges???
I've got a air 1 and 2 here with me now (both with respective smart covers) and no idea how you can call them preposterously sharp. Sure, they ain't baby butt smooth, but I've never even thought about it as a problem. Perhaps your iPad isn't aligned correctly.

I will agree that the air 2 smart cover is quite rubbish.

And I think a 10.x inch almost bezel free ipad in the same size as a 9.7 inch is a fantastic idea. I've always wished the 9.7 screen was a little bigger but didn't want the actual size to be bigger.
 
The value is I wouldn't need to have an ipad and a MacBook but just the one device.

Also don't give the ipad the keyboard option if they don't want you to input with it. If you do want to give people the option to input with a keyboard, then at least make it productive. It is useless for anything productive.

I don't want a MacBook with a touchscreen. I just want a keyboard with an ipad that allows me to easily place the cursor on documents, selecting text etc. It is a pain at present.

I actually agree with you. I think a cursor option is necessary for productivity. I think the whole issue is that a 'Pro' device needs more accurate input than touch. The Pencil is a good option for certain tasks, but I personally use Microsoft Office daily, and formatting and editing is a huge pain in the ass without cursor input. I could seen Apple adding this feature via a Touchpad, but I don't think Apple is ever, ever, going to allow Mouse support on iOS. I could see them adding Touchpad Support though.
 
its good that Apple tablets can sense when more than one finger is on the screen, otherwise they'd be in trouble with the Edge-to-Edge displays... Perhaps they "for-sore this"
 
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