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Please explain how you will do pro work without a file manager.Or is pro a hipster term nowadays
So what exactly is your definition of "Pro"?

For me, I have actually gotten pretty used to having my files silo'ed by apps. So if I want to annotate on a PDF, I open Notability and my documents are there. I want to access my scanned documents, I open scanner pro. I open Pages and all my word documents are there for easy access. I open Showme and my screencasts are inside. It actually makes sense in a way.

Most of my work can be done from within one app and I don't really have to hop in and out of different apps or pass the same file through multiple apps.

Though all my files are saved in Dropbox and synced to my iPad via Documents. I suppose you could argue that constitutes a file manager of sorts, but it's really there so I can have offline access to my files.

None of this "I open Word on my Mac and then still have to navigate through a deep hierarchical structure of folders to find the file I want to open" nonsense.
 
So the 9.7" will have last gen's chip? wtf.
To be fair: The A9 is faster than the A8X in the iPad Air 2. And the latter is far from being underpowered, even today. Why not use the A9 then to keep costs down for a (rumoredly!) upcoming new entry level device?

The only thing "pro" about that will be the price.
I doubt that the entry model will receive the "pro" moniker.
 
So the 9.7" will have last gen's chip? wtf. The only thing "pro" about that will be the price.

This is what Cook brings to the picture, separate Apple users into different wealth categories and provide the low wealth ones with an Apple device in name, but years old technology. That way by showing Apple products to their friends their ego and self-esteem remain intact.
 
Why on earth do you need a track pad or mouse with a touch screen device? I use my iPad as a second monitor with my MBP (using Duet Display) and it's odd to see the mouse cursor on the iPad. It works in the context of secondary monitor but not as a primary input method IMO.

why on earth would you need a keyboard case on a touch screen device - isn't the touch screen keyboard good enough?

I like the idea of a keyboard, but if I'm going to plop the ipad down on a table and do some serious work, I'd like a mouse/trackpad to go alongside the keyboard. Touch screen when its in my lap consuming media, keyboard/mouse for word processing etc where being able to quickly and easily select text etc without knocking the ipad over using your fingers would make lots of sense IMO.

I don't expect or want full OSX, but I do want mouse support for apps at least.
 
So what exactly is your definition of "Pro"?

For me, I have actually gotten pretty used to having my files silo'ed by apps. So if I want to annotate on a PDF, I open Notability and my documents are there. I want to access my scanned documents, I open scanner pro. I open Pages and all my word documents are there for easy access. I open Showme and my screencasts are inside. It actually makes sense in a way.

Most of my work can be done from within one app and I don't really have to hop in and out of different apps or pass the same file through multiple apps.

Though all my files are saved in Dropbox and synced to my iPad via Documents. I suppose you could argue that constitutes a file manager of sorts, but it's really there so I can have offline access to my files.

None of this "I open Word on my Mac and then still have to navigate through a deep hierarchical structure of folders to find the file I want to open" nonsense.

If the rumours are true, Apple are working to add more Pro features to the iPad Pro, one of those is to allow people to use the Apple Pencil to annotate within Safari, Messages, Mail and so on, kind of like how you can with the Samsung Note series and their stylus. Personally I find it a good idea, being able to write and or draw on Safari would be a great idea for example.
 
So what exactly is your definition of "Pro"?
When a laptop with a Pro label has a dedicated GPU by default, not only in the most expensive model.
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If the rumours are true, Apple are working to add more Pro features to the iPad Pro, one of those is to allow people to use the Apple Pencil to annotate within Safari, Messages, Mail and so on, kind of like how you can with the Samsung Note series and their stylus. Personally I find it a good idea, being able to write and or draw on Safari would be a great idea for example.
Might be good for creatives, but the price still can't be justified.
 
So is whining about the whiner whiners ;)
Ahh.....touche :)

Nothing wrong with having, and voicing, negative opinions. That's not the same as talking utter **** and crying like a petulant child.

Oh, I agree.....however those who complain about the whiners, can be just as petulant. Bottom line is that we all share different opinions and view points. And both sides make very convincing arguments. Once we begin complaining about the negative opinions, or shouting down negative opinions no matter how numerous or repetitive, we are denying the same folks their right to share such opinions. If folks do not wish to read such opinions, folks can block the member, choose not to enter the thread, enter the thread and ignore the comments, or reply :)
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Though all my files are saved in Dropbox

Its my opinion this is the underlining issue for so many. Using the cloud. Because doing so means change, and many folks do not do well with change. Apple has embraced cloud computing. I myself have as well. I can do 99 percent of my work on my iPad Pro without the need to touch my Mac. But I am also aware that my work habits and skills are not embraced by everyone. So I understand that people need a file system, they need to continue working as they have for years and years. Technology however waits for no one. Apple understand this and moves forward. We can either learn new things or stay frozen in time.
 
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Might be good for creatives, but the price still can't be justified.

That depends on opinion, someone who just uses their iPad to watch content might agree with you, it's a lot of money just to watch videos on. But people who use their iPad for content creation, or to work on might dissagree.
 
A new mini 5/Pro will get my money. A new iPad of any other size will not. It's simple. If they kill the mini line, they will lose sales.
 
That depends on opinion, someone who just uses their iPad to watch content might agree with you, it's a lot of money just to watch videos on. But people who use their iPad for content creation, or to work on might dissagree.
Yes, but Apple wants to sell that iPad to EVERYONE, not just those people and for people who want to juts watch something and play a few games it is seriously overpriced. Also Apple is going the direction of getting rid of all other iPad variant leaving juts the new, more expensive variants.
 
When a laptop with a Pro label has a dedicated GPU by default, not only in the most expensive model.
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Might be good for creatives, but the price still can't be justified.
People's definition of pros both from a human perspective and machine perspective could be different than yours.
 
People's definition of pros both from a human perspective and machine perspective could be different than yours.
Actually no. There is no different perspective on what is a pro level car turbo charger or minimum steel specification for a good chef knife. Same with everything else including computers.
 
This is what Cook brings to the picture, separate Apple users into different wealth categories and provide the low wealth ones with an Apple device in name, but years old technology. That way by showing Apple products to their friends their ego and self-esteem remain intact.

Yes, they now also sell a previous generation for those customers with less money but similar quality standards.
Has worked out a treat ever since the iPhone had this first.
 
When a laptop with a Pro label has a dedicated GPU by default, not only in the most expensive model.
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Might be good for creatives, but the price still can't be justified.

Because by definition all Pro devices need a dedicated graphics card?
 
Yes, but Apple wants to sell that iPad to EVERYONE, not just those people and for people who want to juts watch something and play a few games it is seriously overpriced. Also Apple is going the direction of getting rid of all other iPad variant leaving juts the new, more expensive variants.

While I agree that they do want to sell the iPad to everyone, there are different iPads, for example the iPad Mini, the 12.9" iPad Pro being the most expensive, then the 9.7" iPad Pro. Personally I love my iPad Pro and was really happy when they introduced the 12.9" it's a great device, do I feel it justifies the price, for me personally yes, but that's because I get the usage out of it on a daily basis.
 
Because by definition all Pro devices need a dedicated graphics card?
Pro desktops and notebooks do need dedicated GPUs by default.
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While I agree that they do want to sell the iPad to everyone, there are different iPads, for example the iPad Mini, the 12.9" iPad Pro being the most expensive, then the 9.7" iPad Pro. Personally I love my iPad Pro and was really happy when they introduced the 12.9" it's a great device, do I feel it justifies the price, for me personally yes, but that's because I get the usage out of it on a daily basis.
I have a feeling those cheaper iPad won't be available for much longer.
 
Pro desktops and notebooks do need dedicated GPUs by default.
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I have a feeling those cheaper iPad won't be available for much longer.

Because all pro customers work in advertising, graphics or why? A writer for example with a focus on text input is only a pro when he has a dedicated graphics card in the computer?
A pro can be anybody who makes a living using the computer as a tool, in my opinion. There is no set definition, you only repeat what works for you and make that a generalisation.
 
Actually no. There is no different perspective on what is a pro level car turbo charger or minimum steel specification for a good chef knife. Same with everything else including computers.
I use car analogies but they don't fit here. A professional artist who chooses to use an iPad Pro for his or her work who says they are using "pro" equipment(iPad Pro) is to be challenged they don't have the right definition of pro?
 
why on earth would you need a keyboard case on a touch screen device - isn't the touch screen keyboard good enough?

I like the idea of a keyboard, but if I'm going to plop the ipad down on a table and do some serious work, I'd like a mouse/trackpad to go alongside the keyboard. Touch screen when its in my lap consuming media, keyboard/mouse for word processing etc where being able to quickly and easily select text etc without knocking the ipad over using your fingers would make lots of sense IMO.

I don't expect or want full OSX, but I do want mouse support for apps at least.

I got use to mouse support on Android tablets. Then I was presented with an iPad Air at work and told that all company documents would be distributed via the iPad. I could send them over to a laptop if I wanted, but in meetings we are expected to all use the iPad. It's a real pain to do editing of text files or spreadsheets without a mouse. I bought a keyboard case to get a keyboard, but having to reach over to the screen and try to cut and paste blocks of text is not easy.

Here's the bottom line:
1. Apple is terrified to add mouse support to iOS for fear it will negatively affect Macbook sales.
2. Apple is terrified to add touch screen support to the Macbook for fear that it will negatively affect iPad sales.

They are probably correct on both counts. You're expected to buy one of each. The real question is how many Macbook and iPad sales are they losing to Windows 10 2 in 1 devices and to more capable Android tablets?

The fact that Android tablet makers have made it possible to use an Android tablet as the next "Netbook," with a keyboard and mouse, and that Windows laptop makers have made it possible to use a laptop as a tablet, will likely cause Apple to rethink their marketing philosophy. Their current narrative is that it's crazy to use a touchscreen on a laptop and it's crazy to use a mouse on a tablet. All the people insisting that mouse support on a tablet is unnecessary, or a touch screen on a laptop makes no sense, have never used either, and spend too much time drinking the Koolaid.

The Windows laptop makers were never very serious about Android tablets, because the margins were so low, so they had no business concerns about doing touchscreen laptops. The Android tablet brands were usually not big laptop brands, even though laptop manufacturers were building the tablets for them.
 
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