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BMW builds cars that have the long-term reliability of a Soviet Lada. I also highly doubt that a manufacturer in Taiwan, with their zero experience building vehicles would know anything about Apple's plans, if there even are any. GM also builds rubbish cars and has a knack of scrapping models, so you can rule them out.

What would be cool is if apple produced a Hydrogen car, which is where the future is realistically.


10-4 on that. BMW builds below average cars when it comes to reliability, and their standard 3 and 5 series come with woefully underpowered engines. I find that most BMW owners that I know personally are buying a badge, and nothing more.
 
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Why would Apple start competing in the highly competitive market of cars with low margins? It is one thing to make 'phones'. Another thing with cars. There must be a lot of other verticals that can benefit from Apples innovation and disruptive touch - no?
 
The margins on cars seem too low for apple. I think it's more likely they sell a suite of software/hardware to existing car manufactures. I could see them selling lidar, radar, GPS, infotainment, audio, self driving computer, Etc.

If they were releasing a car in less than a year from now, I feel like we'd know more...
 
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Whells cost you extra 500$+Tax @ the pro-version.

Maybe you can charge it over usb-c...
 
The margins on cars seem too low for apple. I think it's more likely they sell a suite of software/hardware to existing car manufactures. I could see them selling lidar, radar, GPS, infotainment, audio, self driving computer, Etc.

If they were releasing a car in less than a year from now, I feel like we'd know more...

No auto maker in their right mind would purchase a third party self-driving computer. The liability/integration would be massive and not worth the risk. It's not the same as airbags and other Tier One automotive suppliers.
 
It will be hard to keep the car manufacturing quiet since Apple will be using third party manufacturing partners, and the supply chain will be extensive.

So, I don't believe this rumor.
 
The margins on cars seem too low for apple.
If Apple sold cars, they would stick to the high end of the market just like they do with pretty much everything they've been involved with in the past twenty years: computers, MP3 players, smartphones, wireless networking, wearables, etc. That's where the margins are fatter.

They don't have to compete with everyone at every price point in the market.

In the same way, BMW of America doesn't sell anything that matches up with a Toyota Yaris. Hell, BMW sells a bunch of models elsewhere that aren't marketed here in the USA like weird diesels or small-displacement 4-cylinder engines.

A fictitious Apple Car would probably start at $30,000.
 
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No auto maker in their right mind would purchase a third party self-driving computer. The liability/integration would be massive and not worth the risk. It's not the same as airbags and other Tier One automotive suppliers.
The industry as been using Drive PX and EyeQ5 which are third party systems. Why would they change how they do the supply chain?
 
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Will it automatically order your venti salted caramel mocha frappucino with five pumps of frap roast, four pumps of of caramel sauce, four pumps of caramel syrup, three pumps of mocha, three pumps pf toffee nut syrup, double blended with extra whipped cream as you pull into the drive thru at Starbucks? Totally awesome...

I have to puke. 🤮

Leave coffee alone
 
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I find that most BMW owners that I know personally are buying a badge, and nothing more.
I suspect most BMW owners I know willl be buying some other make. The nearest dealer, part of what I think is the UK's largest BMW dealership, has closed down locally. Next location is around an hour and a half further away. That is far enough to be a real pain for servicing and parts.
 
Half of MR would buy it, realize they can’t afford a $95,000 car, then return it saying a pixel on the HUD is dead and that its not ready for prime time.
Doesn't a typical Apple fan user already drop $1,000 on an iPhone, hundreds more dollars on accessories, and then Mac computers in the $5K range?
 
Here's Apple Car with its magic magnetic cover to put it into low power mode
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If Apple were producing a car, we'd know far more about it than we do. The requirements to even start building prototype motor vehicles in the United States are both high, and applications and progress is public.

If Apple (or indeed any shell company) had registered as such, we'd know.

Not to mention there's a finite number of manufacturing lines and facilities able to produce or assemble a car, Tesla would be the only equivalent successful example, and they're as outside the box for car components etc. as Apple might be. There's a reason Tesla bought the Fremont factory.

Again, if Apple had a car production facility, we'd know.
You're assuming they will be made in the US. Not exactly Apple's way.
 
The UK's Guardian says:

Apple plans self-driving car 'in 2024 with next-level battery technology'​

It has been a bumpy ride for Apple’s Project Titan, but sources suggest a passenger vehicle may not be far off

Apple is moving forward with self-driving car technology and is targeting 2024 to produce a passenger vehicle that could include its own battery technology, people familiar with the matter told Reuters.
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...ar-in-2024-with-next-level-battery-technology
 
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Yeah, I'm a bit of a car enthusiast, and I follow a decent amount of the industry, and you're right on. The development cycle, that involves on-road analysis, crash testing, building out a service network (assuming they'd need to do this with mobile service), major considerations over building and distributing a 4000 lb vehicle vs. a smartphone, there's just a ton of logistics to putting a car on the road. Look at some of the up-and-coming new companies like Lucid, Rivian, you can see the visibility of the process. Even Tesla who moves reasonably quick has continuously pushed back the Roadster, the S Plaid, the Cybertruck, and a number of major, established manufacturers are years away from a (B)EV and they've got vehicle production expertise already in place.

Even if Apple had a ton of development already done, they'd still be a good 2.5-3 years out from getting anything on the road.
The technology and support of a smart phone is actually greater than that of a car.
 
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The UK's Guardian says:

Apple plans self-driving car 'in 2024 with next-level battery technology'​

It has been a bumpy ride for Apple’s Project Titan, but sources suggest a passenger vehicle may not be far off

Apple is moving forward with self-driving car technology and is targeting 2024 to produce a passenger vehicle that could include its own battery technology, people familiar with the matter told Reuters.
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...ar-in-2024-with-next-level-battery-technology
Nothing bumpy about it actually. It’s the normal development process of a new product. Most people have no idea what is involved in bringing a new product to market so they assume that a company just sits down and decides in advance n how everything is going to go. LOL. As pole budgeted BILLIONS for research and development of Project Titan.
 
That is all true - but at the same time, there is currently a big disruption happening in the automotive space: everything is moving to electric cars and the cards are mixed again.

It's a once-in-a-hundred-years shift.

Apple might want to use this opportunity to shake up a market many believe cannot be shook.

Or they might not.
Maybe, but it seems like the current automakers are making the shift just fine. Automobiles are a 10-15% margin business at best. Many lower end models are sold at a loss being propped up by higher end models. Apple runs at a 60% or higher profit margin on their products. Throw a 60% profit margin on an automobile and the price would be shocking. Maybe the Apple brand means so much to people they will pay anything to get one.
 
But all the reviews say it is better than the Model Y. Why would it flop?
A lot of hatred towards it from the Mustang community for being a 4 door. We have asked for a hybrid electric V8 for awhile now and they gave us an SUV that pipes in engine noises instead. I don't see the average Tesla buyer moving over to ford either since the Mustang name has a bad rep to the average individual (We are obnoxious on the road ill admit I didnt help that in my youth)
 
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A lot of hatred towards it from the Mustang community for being a 4 door. We have asked for a hybrid electric V8 for awhile now and they gave us an SUV that pipes in engine noises instead. I don't see the average Tesla buyer moving over to ford either since the Mustang name has a bad rep to the average individual (We are obnoxious on the road ill admit I didnt help that in my youth)
It won't be a flop at all and I expect Ford will meet their sales projections just fine with it. The people who are upset about the branding aren't the people that will buy an electric car anyhow. I would have preferred they just called it the "Mach E" because that name could stand on it's own, but I suppose they are putting a horse on it for marketing reasons. The vast majority who object to it using the Mustang name wouldn't buy it no matter what name was on it.
 
The technology and support of a smart phone is actually greater than that of a car.
Have to say, I cannot imagine an Apple car not having the equivalent of an iPhone built-in. Maybe you will need an actual iPhone to act as a key, and goodness knows what else, but the car will likely use something like an iPhone (or iPad) for satnav, for Find my, for communication (4G/5G, whatever), etc.

So an Apple car, I suggest, will have the technology and support requirements of a smart phone PLUS those of a vehicle.
 
It won't be a flop at all and I expect Ford will meet their sales projections just fine with it. The people who are upset about the branding aren't the people that will buy an electric car anyhow. I would have preferred they just called it the "Mach E" because that name could stand on it's own, but I suppose they are putting a horse on it for marketing reasons. The vast majority who object to it using the Mustang name wouldn't buy it no matter what name was on it.
I own a twin turboed GT and plan to get a Model 3 or Y once the self driving monthly subscription pans out (No way im beta testing something for $10K) for my daily. I know a few people at cars and coffee and at the stripe who went with Tesla for their daily just to stick it to Ford. It was idiotic of their marketing team to trash an American Icon one of my friends even got arrested for sending a death threat to the CEO over it (Did it with his own email he isnt the brightest person).
 
The technology and support of a smart phone is actually greater than that of a car.

I wasn't addressing the intrinsic complexity , but the distribution, storage, shipping, and the required infrastructure for a support network. Your iPad stops working, you can ship it, or drive it to an Apple store, your __car__ fails, you've lost your ability to go from A_to_B, and you certainly can't ship it.

I show up at the Apple store with a fried iPhone, they might just walk in back, grab a new one, swap the sim, I'm good to go. My car fails, they don't swap it out, it goes into a maintenance/repair process, now I need a loaner (and if Apple supplied those, where are they stored/maintained), it has to get from the failure location to some kind of Apple authorized repair location (and even if they could just "swap it out", you realize that would require an update of registration, tag, insurance, as those are associated with your VIN).

There are absolutely all sorts of logistic issues present in producing, selling and supporting a vehicle that aren't present in a small, portal electronic device.
 
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I wasn't addressing the intrinsic complexity , but the distribution, storage, shipping, and the required infrastructure for a support network. Your iPad stops working, you can ship it, or drive it to an Apple store, your __car__ fails, you've lost your ability to go from A_to_B, and you certainly can't ship it.

I show up at the Apple store with a fried iPhone, they might just walk in back, grab a new one, swap the sim, I'm good to go. My car fails, they don't swap it out, it goes into a maintenance/repair process, now I need a loaner (and if Apple supplied those, where are they stored/maintained), it has to get from the failure location to some kind of Apple authorized repair location (and even if they could just "swap it out", you realize that would require an update of registration, tag, insurance, as those are associated with your VIN).

There are absolutely all sorts of logistic issues present in producing, selling and supporting a vehicle that aren't present in a small, portal electronic device.
Dont forget recalls those can pop up decades later you cant really consider a car obsolete like an older mac and stop all support.
 
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