Skeuomorphism still present

Discussion in 'iOS 7' started by IT Troll, Sep 18, 2013.

  1. IT Troll macrumors member

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    Why is it that Notes and Reminders have a paper texture whilst Contacts and Calendar do not. I actually quite like the subtle texture but I am surprised at the lack of consistency.

    Also I would have thought that the wood would have been stripped from iBooks and Find My iPhone in time for the release.
     
  2. oplix macrumors 65816

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    It's because Apple will come up with the most absurdly exaggerated marketing.
     
  3. GreyOS macrumors 68030

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    The goal of iOS 7 wasn't to remove skeuomorphism, why do people still believe that? A lot of the design decisions were less skeuomorphic than previous iOS versions, yes. But if it's still there in some cases it's not because Apple are contradicting themselves.
     
  4. roadbloc macrumors G3

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    Well... because... um...

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  5. GreyOS macrumors 68030

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    I'm saying that Apple never said "Our mission is to remove all skeuomorphism. If you find any in iOS 7, we failed!"

    No, there was a major redesign in iOS 7 and a lot of skeuomorphism was dropped, doesn't mean if they're caught using it in a few places they have failed their mission, lol.
     
  6. Michael CM1 macrumors 603

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    I wondered the same when I saw the updated iCloud site. Pages still has, of all things, an ink well and a pen. I have NEVER used one in my life. I'm fine with most of the changes, but some are silly. The Photos and Game Center icons are straight-up wack. Oh, and Camera went from just a shutter to a full-blown handheld camera the likes of which most kids today may never own. If someone tells me that some add-on zoom lens makes the iPhone camera as good as a $200 P&S, I'm sold.
     
  7. bbfc macrumors 68030

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    Pages is still in beta.
     
  8. madeirabhoy macrumors 6502a

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    well no, it clearly does. you dont spend a fortune on a complete design change and not finish it.


    personally i loved the skeuomorphism and roadbloc's post makes it obvious imho, how can anyone choose the new look over the old. probably game centre is the only one where i think it looks better.

    but if you are going with a whole new look, you do a whole new look, not most of it. if you are completely changing the design and style of your lounge and spending a lot of cash to do it, you dont leave one corner still the old paint.
     
  9. Surfheart macrumors regular

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    Pop overs and panes don't have drop shadows but when you slide a page over in safari using the gesture it has one.
     
  10. AaronMT macrumors regular

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    Different teams work on different apps with different developers. So perhaps it was a communications problem in the design department.
     
  11. zbarvian macrumors 68010

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    Drop shadows are skeumorphic?!

    And to whoever said that they weren't trying to remove skeumorpishm: maybe not overtly, but it was definitely an inner motive.
     
  12. MozMan68 macrumors 68000

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    But Find Friends still looks skeuomorphic and awful...talk about one they should have changed...:rolleyes:
     
  13. maflynn Moderator

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    I think these "loose" ends will be address. Technically Find Friends is not part of iOS, but an additional app and so apple will (should) be updating this in the future - hopefully near future.

    I agree, though it looks awful and inconsistent with iOS7's new UI
     
  14. TommyA6 macrumors 65816

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    It will be updated with the new looks (together with iPhoto, iMovie etc.), probably by the time new iPads are announced (so, a month or so at the latest).
     
  15. IT Troll thread starter macrumors member

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    But surely they are all working to Jony's master design plan? I understand that it will take time to run the add-on apps through the mangle. But it is really weird to have this difference in the brand new built-in apps.
     
  16. sracer macrumors 603

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    Yes. Please don't tell us that you believe that a dialog box is actually casting a shadow. :eek:
     
  17. kappaknight macrumors 68000

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    I saw that Airport Utility and Apple Store apps have been updated, so that's good.

    My guess is the rest will eventually fall in line when Mavericks comes out.
     
  18. zbarvian macrumors 68010

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    Don't tell us that drop shadows can't establish hierarchy. You can't just strip a design down to blocks of text. There's a line somewhere, and that's crossing it. And by the way, the Safari tabs aren't really shadows, more of shading.
     
  19. sracer macrumors 603

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    I didn't say that drop shadows can't establish hierarchy. If you understand the definition of skeuomorphism then you understand that drop shadows are skeuomorphic. You DO understand what skeuomorphic is, right? :confused:
     
  20. mcdj macrumors 604

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    This batch of pics perfectly exemplifies how Apple went totally overboard with the redesign. They're like a dramatic 13 year old, who, when tired of hearing "Clean your room!", proceeds to toss out every single thing in the room onto the front lawn, paint the room stark white, and sleep on a flattened cardboard box, in a completely over the top act of borderline psychotic defiance.

    No one asked Apple to strip the walls bare. They did it themselves. Most people didn't think the room was all that messy. Sure, a lot of the iOS6 imagery above was corny and needed help, but a facelift is one thing; a complete razing is another.

    And one of the biggest issues I have with the redesign is how unevenly handed it was executed. Compass app? Well played, Apple. Notes app? Umm, are you sure you're finished? Game center? From poker table motif to children's birthday party motif...a sidegrade if anything.
     
  21. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    Bingo. Well put.
     
  22. Zcott macrumors 68020

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    Worth remembering that this is the future of iOS. It'll develop over time and no doubt some of the more 'jarring' issues will change.
     
  23. AAPLinc macrumors 65816

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    You actually use Game Center? Hmm.

    I don't see a problem with 7.0. When Apple claims it's getting a redesign, they weren't bluffing. What did you expect? For them to tweak a few things? No.

    I'm sorry it's not what you wanted. The majority of people are extremely pleased with it (average consumers). Only a small portion of people in the world are actually complaining about this. And by that I mean members here, aka like .00000001% of iPhone users.

    Apple might make subtle changes with updates, but this is how it is...it's very simplistic and it is radically different looking, but save yourself some grief and accept the changes or I guess you'll have to jump ship.
     
  24. chrf097 macrumors 68040

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    It's very obvious that you don't understand skeuomorphism.

    Skeuomorphism is the emulation of real world textures and objects. Two of the best examples outside of iOS <7 are the old wood-panel American Station wagons and Microsoft BOB.

    Both of these things take real world elements, like wood or the design of a house, but simulate it. They are real world elements and objects. The interface and design are made to look like these objects.

    Drop shadows are not skeuomorphic because they aren't an element or object. They're a design principle. Nobody is using drop shadows to emulate real life.

    If we get so detailed as to define skeuomorphism as emulating any and all real world elements, rather than the understood definition of textures and objects, then interface wouldn't exist; even text interfaces would be skeuomorphic based on that definition.

    More examples of Skeuomorphism would be like the Windows Aero, or the old Apple Aqua Interface (Most notably everything Pre-Leopard), The Samsung Galaxy Note III's fake leather back panel, the original DJay app for iPhone and iPod, or fake granite counter tops.

    That's Skeuomorphism.
     
  25. sracer macrumors 603

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    So you're one of those who really believes that a widget on the screen is casting a shadow. Fascinating.
     

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