Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Looking forward to GPU performance eventually being on par with an Nvidia RTX 4080, while using a fraction of the energy. We’ll have to see the M4 Ultra first.
 
I hope the MacBook Pro doesn’t get any thinner. We have seen the compromises Apple had to make before. A thinner MacBook Pro would compromise speed, speakers, keyboard or battery life. The current MacBook Pro is slim enough. If you don’t need the power of a MacBook Pro, you can buy an Air.
You can't buy an Air with a 16" screen and more than 24GB RAM and 2TB SSD though. If I could, I would.

Instead, I own a 16" M1 Pro MBP with 32GB RAM. I rarely do any video editing, and never play games. It's only ever span up the fans once, and most of it's life the GPU's sit virtually idle.

There's a lot of MBP users in a similar bucket. Want the biggest screen and/or need lots of RAM/SSD. Especially software engineers.

The M1 Pro specs are so overkill for my needs, apart from it allowing the RAM I need, that I can't envision upgrading it until a design change occurs. If the 2026 rumour is true, then my machine will be ~5 years old, and by then, sure why not.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 68000/030
Some people upgrade their phone yearly. I'm on a 16 Pro now - my previous phone was an iPhone 8. My Mac is an M1 Max MBP and I'm quite happy with it and expect to be using it for years to come - my previous Mac was ancient.

The yearly upgrade rollercoaster is stupid and wasteful (plus we get all these people saying "I see no compelling reason to upgrade from my 15 Pro to the 16 Pro!!1!", like that's a tragedy - no, that's how it's supposed to be). Upgrade when the previous one breaks irreparably or no longer meets your needs, not because you need to be seen with the latest toy.
In between major design changes, hardly anyone can even tell one iPhone Pro from the next anyway.
 
  • Like
Reactions: CarlJ
The annual updates on a computer is so stupid. I got a M1 MBP in 2021 and just ordered an M4 MBP thinking with 24GB of RAM and current processor should last like 5 years. There is no reason to do annual updates. Think about all the resources spent on incremental annual updates that could be invested in making revolutionary updates. Same with iOS. just release the full update when ready. Not spending almost a year of incremental updates.
They are simple to do. They update the chips yearly, and then basically slap them in the same machines, and maybe update a couple of the other components to newer tech.

I love it, as whenever I do get around to upgrading, I won't be wondering if an overdue new design is just around the corner, I can just go and buy the current model. I still have a 16" M1 Pro MBP, and have no plans to update, but it's good to know there's new releases every year.
 
People skip upgrading to newer Mac models but upgrade their iPhone yearly although not all does this but still...
That aligns with corporate polices to upgrading Mac hardware if you've worked in a major tech city.


It's tech professional convention in major tech companies for annual phone upgrades and three-four year desktop/laptop changes.

That also influences the upgrade cycle for by no coincidence of the Mac Pro, Mac Studio, and lately the iPad Pro
 
  • Like
Reactions: Rodney Williams
M3 Pro MacBook Pro 16 inch in Space Black right here? I'm good. It kicks a**! For real. No need to get upgrade. As a matter of fact, I was using 2015 MacBook Pro 15.4 Retina. Its age starting to show, and it was time to upgrade about 6 months ago.
 
I mean thank dog it's not the end of the 1990's again, when every year (for a period of few years) your config became basically obsolete.
Eh, the difference is, "obsolete" gear now can often be still super powerful - the baseline has gotten crazy high. The new M4 Macs are _way_ faster than my current M1 Mac, but I'm not looking longingly at the M4's, yearning for their speed, because the M1 is still way faster than I really need.

Back in the 90's, it was often the case that anything that wasn't just-released, top-of-the-line hardware, kinda sucked for running the latest software. But now, especially with ARM-based chips, we've gotten to where the baseline of capability is sufficient for a huge percentage of what you want to run.
 
Eh, the difference is, "obsolete" gear now can often be still super powerful - the baseline has gotten crazy high. The new M4 Macs are _way_ faster than my current M1 Mac, but I'm not looking longingly at the M4's, yearning for their speed, because the M1 is still way faster than I really need.

Back in the 90's, it was often the case that anything that wasn't just-released, top-of-the-line hardware, kinda sucked for running the latest software. But now, especially with ARM-based chips, we've gotten to where the baseline of capability is sufficient for a huge percentage of what you want to run.
Agree. If Apple doesn't kill support for it the M1 could prob last 15 years lol
 
  • Like
Reactions: CarlJ
I suspect apple expects that with the M6 being a new die size it will bring better cooling and performance enabling a change of chassis design…hopefully not falling for the trap that was laid by Intel which ultimately backfired all those years ago.
 
I suspect apple expects that with the M6 being a new die size it will bring better cooling and performance enabling a change of chassis design…hopefully not falling for the trap that was laid by Intel which ultimately backfired all those years ago.

I'm hoping on my next upgrade I can time it to a nice +20% type year and not an M2 type year. I'm guessing things will slow down here eventually though to be more like +10%/yr. I'm actually quite shocked it hasn't happened yet.
 
M5 iPad pro.........I wonder what the performance in Emulators will be like after apple allowed them in the app store here as the m4 pro mac mini base model is impressive according to ETA prime on YouTube for emulating certain games at 8k here while sipping TDP as the m5 like the m3 on the iMac is seen as a bridge gap chip generation before the M6 releases.

Beyond that Apple screws consumers on unified memory (ram) and SSD storage that is not upgradable as you need at least 1-2TB of SSD storage space along with 48-96gb of unified RAM memory to run steam in parallels in windows or crossover using wine and Linux Unbuntu/SteamOS GUI. Usually if you're going to run steam or any other game store app you need to upgrade the ram and storage space on a mac you buy from them and possibly an ungraded binned chip apple set aside to charge you more here. Apple need wi-fi 7 and pci gen 5 ssd speeds to boost the performance of the m series chip here for those not wanting to buy more unified ram for the SoC to use. Maybe apple is waiting for PCI gen 6 to come out soon in 2026 before they put an SSD speed upgrade to use to cut down on the need to buy more unified memory here or not using it as a RAMDisk like in Windows 11 here and in Linux.
 
People skip upgrading to newer Mac models but upgrade their iPhone yearly although not all does this but still...
Apple has observed that replacement cycle are

- 4 years: Macs & Apple TV
- 3 years: iPhone, iPad & Watch

Intel has observed that replacement cycle are 5-6 years for PCs

Last Security Update

- 122 months: Windows
- ~1 decade: macOS
- 8-9 years: iOS/iPadOS/watchOS

End users replace based on their use case and budgets.

These are my current Apple devices.

- 2024 iPhone 16 Pro Max 3nm < 2021 iPhone 13 Pro Max
- 2024 Watch Series 10 46mm 3nm < 2018 Watch Series 4 44mm

- 2019 MacBook Pro 16" 14nm < 2011 Macbook Pro 13" 32nm
- 2019 AirPods 2

- 2018 iPad Pro 11" 7nm < 2013 iPad Air

- 2012 iMac 27" 22nm < 2007 iMac 20"

If a iMac 32" 6K M4/M5 16GB memory 256GB storage ideally with Target Display Mode for $1.8k-2.8k was released today I'd replace my dozen year old iMac.
 
Last edited:
always love MBP update to next level process.. However, I wonder, w/ advancement of AI rising and rising, do we need faster and faster computer? We won't be doing any AI driven computation on local laptop, it will just all get done in the cloud.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.