Intel will release some chips of skylake within that timeframe, but I doubt they'll release them all. I'd expect the ones that go in the rmbp to be one of the last you see released, as the broadwell version of the chips are suppose to come out in mid 2015 as well.
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Skylake Coming H2 2015
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why do you think they'd release the most powerful skylake ones last instead of cancelling the broadwell ones (if they're coming out roughly at the same time)?
if i'm not mistaken, won't the skylake chips be cheaper to make than the broadwell ones (based on previous posts)?
if i'm not mistaken, won't the skylake chips be cheaper to make than the broadwell ones (based on previous posts)?
I am not gonna say that's impossible, because there is nothing impossible, but the odds of that happening are very rare. I would say 0.01% if you want a number
If Apple update the rMBP 13' and 15' in June 2015 with Broadwell expecting other update in October 2015 with Skylake seems ridiculous. But again I do not work for Apple. However I would bet my two cents that's not gonna happen.
The most likely scenario is rMBP 13' & 15' updated with Broadwell sometime in 2015. There are other possibilities besides this, but the one you mentioned is the most unlikely.
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We don't know Intel's strategy with product releases, I find that the most theoretically possible would be Broadwell refresh for 13" rmbp and skylake with a redesign for 15".
It seems like from what's coming out of CES that Intel is focusing on performance with skylake and power efficiency with broadwell. I'm guessing this becuase both Dell and Asus are coming out with immediate thin and light broadwell machines whilst also stating they're holding off on upgrading their high performance SKUs for skylake.
It seems like from what's coming out of CES that Intel is focusing on performance with skylake and power efficiency with broadwell. I'm guessing this becuase both Dell and Asus are coming out with immediate thin and light broadwell machines whilst also stating they're holding off on upgrading their high performance SKUs for skylake.
I'm on an Ivy Bridge retina MacBook Pro, and my next MBP is definitely going to be based on Skylake!
I really want Thunderbolt 3...
Would love them to release a 17" version too...
I really want Thunderbolt 3...
Would love them to release a 17" version too...
If the 12" MBA is true (smaller than current 12", narrower than 11", slightly taller) - wonder if that would trickle through to a future 15" MBP - giving it a bigger screen
Intel confirmed Skylake will be released between July-December this year:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/282...-earnings-call-transcript?all=true&find=intel
since we're obviously gonna go straight from Haswell --> Skylake (Skipping a generation of improvements!), how do you guys think this will affect the following elements:
- Pricing of the models: How cheap will the 13 and 15 inch be? SSds have been getting cheaper, and if you compare 2015 to 2013, ssds will have almost dropped by roughly 50% in price by the end of the year.
- Graphics: Will the integrated graphics finally be strong enough for casual gaming?
- Minimum SSd storage: Will it be doubled to 256gb for the base model?
- new features: Wireless charging? etc..
-Battery life:?
-Thinness? just kidding, who the hell cares about how thin it is
Other:?
I want to buy a laptop that will last me 5 years or longer, and it looks like the skylake upgrade may be the last pc we'll need to buy for a long time..
Been waiting for this news for quite a long time now.
I feared that they'd delay Skylake until next year, in which case, I'd have to wait yet another year for the rMBP to refresh.
Hopefully Apple's good relationship with Intel means that they'll launch in summer, rather than December. Perhaps that's what the 'Mac on ARM' has been about all along: Pressuring Intel to give in (more favourable prices/priority).
Sure it will. At least the most basic, nearly useless 1st cou will be. The macs will begin using them in 2016, unfortunately.
We'll definitely get Skylake macs this year. No way they'll go all of 2015 without any refresh and I sincerely doubt any upgrades will involve Broadwell. Why update to Broadwell when Skylake will follow right after with all the vast improvements? I'm sure Intel and Apple had discussions about 2015, updates and Skylake. I'm holding out. Haswell isn't worth the money imo.
The problem with updating to Skylake this year is that may leave 2016 as a gaping year. The 10nm process that Cannonlake is based on, Skylake successor, is expected to be develop in 18-24 months.
In other words if Apple go full Skylake in both rMBP 13' & 15' in 2015. There is a chance that they will have nothing to update with the rMBP in 2016. Exactly the same thing that has happened in 2014. Personally, I don't think they want that.
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Broadwell is only slowly coming out, the -H laptop chips are due sometime in Q2 and there are no desktop Broadwell chips in the line-up. The first Skylake processors coming out this year could very weel be server or desktop only, the laptop ones could only come next year.
Intel has been developing from mobile up for a couple of generations now. Skylake will be no different, with the ultrabook/tablet processors hitting first, followed by mainstream and high end mobile, then desktops, then servers.
skylake dates
Low end skylake end of year, anything useful to heavy users mid 2015, unlocked multipliers hopefully b4 end of 2015.
Low end skylake end of year, anything useful to heavy users mid 2015, unlocked multipliers hopefully b4 end of 2015.
you do not get it.
from haswell to broadwell intel had to change the chip architecture that means that they had to redo their labs and they can not shut all of their labs at once so that is why those chips do not come out at once
but broadwell and skylake share the same chip architecture that means that intel is not going to redo their labs and can ship all of their chips simultaneously
What vast improvements? Please enumerate them.
DDR4 will be an improvement, but I wouldn't call it vast. What else?
If you're expecting a dramatic performance improvement from Broadwell to Skylake, then I think you'll be disappointed.
Sorry, but you don't get it. Haswell and Broadwell share the same microarchitecture. Broadwell and Skylake share the same 14nm process. The fabs (not labs) need to be shut down and re-equipped between Haswell and Broadwell, not because the microarchitecture changed but because the process changed.
Integrated graphics deliver faster results but they ,to date, are not powerful enough. SOC tech is definitely worth developing and is why the 1900 Phd holders at Intel are doing just that. Dual+ graphics cards are definitely the future route for the most daunting workloads. (What I personally want for workstation)
That being said Skylake is expected to be a real be leap for System-on-chip integrated graphics, fingers crossed will have the performance and speed that fit amazing well with ssd, i7's, increased pcie lanes, to complete the new ssd late gen O.S's. Zero waiting feel consumers want. 2016 is going to be a good year for computers.
Exactly right on the release. Most of the market share profit are on the items related to IPad's, MacBook's, phones, and maybe watches too soon.
The "real" chipsets for performance desktop's will be 2016.
I know the real focus is on graphics with
Skylake but isn't skylake going to have processor options that are more than four cores???The only Skylake CPUs with more than four cores will be for servers and will not have integrated graphics.
I hear ya, the only thing that needs to be factored in is the renewed Broadwell delays that pushed it off so close to the Skylake launch, so there could be an overlap between Broadwell mobile and Skylake desktop (or any other combination of the two). Intel had to revise its schedule without just offsetting everything planned by a year due to the fab process issues.
Intel's fabrication plants do not have to be shut down and updated from Broadwell to Skylake. Intel has multiple fabrication plants that operate at distinct processes, each with capacity appropriate for the architectures, chips, and chipsets that will be fabricated at that process.
As an example, when 22nm became ready for fabrication for Ivy Bridge, Intel's 45nm (65nm, or whatever, doesn't matter) plant was upgraded, leaving the 32nm plant unaffected. The previous process's fabrication plant's capacity might then be used for other chips that don't necessarily need the latest and greatest process, or sold to other chip designers for production.
Good point. So many decisions are based on economics and not what is 'best' for consumers. I think you are right. Apple will avoid a gaping hole in 2016 by delaying Skylake implementation for a few months. Broadwell is 'good enough' and so Skylake will have to wait. It's too bad but probably true
