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Skylake Coming H2 2015
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I don't expect a new MHz war anytime soon. The biggest thing Intel will have to offer with Skylake is battery life, and AMD and Nvidia are both working on that too. Process shrinks aren't the only ticket to saving power.[/QUOTE]
This is completely my personal opinion, but I like to offer my viewpoint. I think that processors are a lot less about themselves and really about the platform delivered with them. Skylake being the perfect example. New ram, thunderbolt 3, and the biggest example; wirelessly powered all in one desktop... possibly.
My point is really driven by the simple fact that professional camera sensor tech has plainly exceeded computer tech. Highly magnetic sensors in red cams gather light data that current computers can't translate. Raw film shot on these cameras debayered on computers "in about five years" will be much higher in quality.
This sensor tech is becoming affordable and everyone will be shooting with sensors that present day computers can't handle. Apple will have competition if it isn't driven towards graphics improvements yesterday. The same for Intel, AMD, NVIDIA, AMD, and all the rest.
Apple is the (in my opinion) the king for film and photo editing: And present time no one's graphics are keeping up with new sensors capabilities. Redray made a red rocket graphics card that is ridiculously expensive just to real time edit very high quality 4k and to improve data gathering properties of current gen cards as well as workflows for their cams.
Skylake is more of a System On Chip step forward as a processor than anything else. The communication time between the processor and graphics processing is a huge advantage of developing this tech.
Another example of what I would like to call "the graphics war" is that dual dGPU's are supported by FCP. A step I expect everyone will follow in as short of time as they can. That being the case I would also expect that the processor and it's SOC graphics would also be supported at the same time as an "external GPU or external duel or triple GPU's". Not to mention 5K display just came out.
I like skylake for a lot of reasons but it's biggest steps forward will be on graphics improvements and in engineering SOC tech for mainstream and one day professional users.
Finally as pointed out before by a few others on this thread processor's aren't the only thing that shrinks, so do external components and no faster do they shrink as when they are integrated into motherboard components.
I'm not a computer engineer and likely not the smartest person on this thread, this is just my humble viewpoint.
This is completely my personal opinion, but I like to offer my viewpoint. I think that processors are a lot less about themselves and really about the platform delivered with them. Skylake being the perfect example. New ram, thunderbolt 3, and the biggest example; wirelessly powered all in one desktop... possibly.
My point is really driven by the simple fact that professional camera sensor tech has plainly exceeded computer tech. Highly magnetic sensors in red cams gather light data that current computers can't translate. Raw film shot on these cameras debayered on computers "in about five years" will be much higher in quality.
This sensor tech is becoming affordable and everyone will be shooting with sensors that present day computers can't handle. Apple will have competition if it isn't driven towards graphics improvements yesterday. The same for Intel, AMD, NVIDIA, AMD, and all the rest.
Apple is the (in my opinion) the king for film and photo editing: And present time no one's graphics are keeping up with new sensors capabilities. Redray made a red rocket graphics card that is ridiculously expensive just to real time edit very high quality 4k and to improve data gathering properties of current gen cards as well as workflows for their cams.
Skylake is more of a System On Chip step forward as a processor than anything else. The communication time between the processor and graphics processing is a huge advantage of developing this tech.
Another example of what I would like to call "the graphics war" is that dual dGPU's are supported by FCP. A step I expect everyone will follow in as short of time as they can. That being the case I would also expect that the processor and it's SOC graphics would also be supported at the same time as an "external GPU or external duel or triple GPU's". Not to mention 5K display just came out.
I like skylake for a lot of reasons but it's biggest steps forward will be on graphics improvements and in engineering SOC tech for mainstream and one day professional users.
Finally as pointed out before by a few others on this thread processor's aren't the only thing that shrinks, so do external components and no faster do they shrink as when they are integrated into motherboard components.
I'm not a computer engineer and likely not the smartest person on this thread, this is just my humble viewpoint.
No, I'm asserting that GPU performance does not have to advance dramatically with every single MBP release. If Apple can cut $200 or $300 of the price of a high-end 15" MBP and improve reliability by eliminating the discrete GPU and keeping roughly similar graphics performance to the current model with the 750M, then that's a no-brainer win.
Because everything depends on Skylake I/O
If it were just some question of "Sky Lake will be a little faster", then of course, this is a no brainer. But over time, Intel has integrated most of the motherboard into the CPU. There are enormous I/O changes coming only with Skylake, including HDMI 2.0, true (non MST) 4K graphics support, PCIe 3.0, USB 3.1, Thunderbolt 3, etc.
I have been waiting for years for these things. If Apple misses this round, then PCs will all have these advanced interfaces, while Apple laptops will still be hacking their way along. I sincerely hope Apple uses their connections to get early versions of Skylake, like they've done in the past.
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While modern I/O support is BY FAR the most important thing about SkyLake, there are some other not too shabby additions, like AVX-512,doubling the number of SIMD lanes from 32 to 64 on a quad core. I'd say SkyLake is a jump almost as significant as x86-64.
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Oh yeah, and doubling the number of registers from 16 to 32. This really is a jump comparable to x86-64...
If it were just some question of "Sky Lake will be a little faster", then of course, this is a no brainer. But over time, Intel has integrated most of the motherboard into the CPU. There are enormous I/O changes coming only with Skylake, including HDMI 2.0, true (non MST) 4K graphics support, PCIe 3.0, USB 3.1, Thunderbolt 3, etc.
I have been waiting for years for these things. If Apple misses this round, then PCs will all have these advanced interfaces, while Apple laptops will still be hacking their way along. I sincerely hope Apple uses their connections to get early versions of Skylake, like they've done in the past.
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While modern I/O support is BY FAR the most important thing about SkyLake, there are some other not too shabby additions, like AVX-512,doubling the number of SIMD lanes from 32 to 64 on a quad core. I'd say SkyLake is a jump almost as significant as x86-64.
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Oh yeah, and doubling the number of registers from 16 to 32. This really is a jump comparable to x86-64...
OK, to summarize:
Skylake is the largest single advance in the x86 platform since the Core2Duo. But the most important part of this isn't the doubling of CPU power, but the addition of modern I/O capability, so we can plug in modern peripherals. Like the original poster said, this jump will likely carry us through the next 15 years, so we really want to make this jump ASAP.
I've been holding up upgrading all our 2010 MBPs waiting for this.
Skylake is the largest single advance in the x86 platform since the Core2Duo. But the most important part of this isn't the doubling of CPU power, but the addition of modern I/O capability, so we can plug in modern peripherals. Like the original poster said, this jump will likely carry us through the next 15 years, so we really want to make this jump ASAP.
I've been holding up upgrading all our 2010 MBPs waiting for this.
"it looks like the skylake upgrade may be the last pc we'll need to buy for a long time.. " "5 years"
Mhmm, no. The nature of how technology evolves just means the release after skylake will be just as Awe inspiring. 5 years is a long time, especially if you plan to use the computer for 'casual gaming'.
If you look at the macs that were released 5 years ago, accompanied by the same token threads asking whether or not to buy as they want a long lasting computer. We can assume not.
Personally i think i'll wait for nvidia volta gpu's in 2016 before i upgrade my 2012 rMBP.
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However apples 2013/14 releases were really lackluster, so hopefully we can expect something big this year, if they ditch the dedicated gpu option in the 15 inchs i will be very disappointed.
Mhmm, no. The nature of how technology evolves just means the release after skylake will be just as Awe inspiring. 5 years is a long time, especially if you plan to use the computer for 'casual gaming'.
If you look at the macs that were released 5 years ago, accompanied by the same token threads asking whether or not to buy as they want a long lasting computer. We can assume not.
Personally i think i'll wait for nvidia volta gpu's in 2016 before i upgrade my 2012 rMBP.
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However apples 2013/14 releases were really lackluster, so hopefully we can expect something big this year, if they ditch the dedicated gpu option in the 15 inchs i will be very disappointed.
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I think thunderbolt 3 and reversible USB is probably reason enough to wait for the skylake upgrade. I personally don't care about dgpu so i'm hoping the igpu is good too.