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Based on the fact that two people have been ousted that seemed to have problems with Ive and you never pause and think that maybe Ive is not a team player here?

One, we don't have any solid evidence that Christie left because of problems with Ive. Both John Gruber and Tech Crunch disputed Mark Gurman's story, and former Apple employee Bob Borchers called it BS on Twitter, implying the way Gurman reported it is not the way it went down inside Apple. Even if Ive and Christie didn't see eye to eye on UI design that doesn't mean Christie was pushed out. I think Cook has made it quite clear he doesn't tolerate politics and is pushing collaboration pretty hard. If Ive was highly political and not a team player Cook wouldn't tolerate it and Ive would be gone. Fact is, Cook gave Ive responsibility for Human Interface at Apple. Having that team actually report into Craig Federighi never made much sense. It could be as simple as Christie being burned out after nearly 20 years and thinking now was the right time to retire.

As far as Forstall goes, as I posted earlier, it wasn't just Ive that had problems with him. Supposedly Bob Mansfield wouldn't take meetings with him unless Cook was around. On one of Gruber's podcasts he said Phil Schiller also had issues with Forstall. Plus Tony Fadell in an interview with the BBC said Forstall "got what he deserved". Heck one report claimed people inside Apple were celebrating like when the Giants won the World Series. From what I've read it doesn't appear that Forstall was universally hated (at least not within his software team) but clearly more than just Ive had issues with him inside the company.
 
Nothing like a good ios6 v ios7 hijack thread! *eyeroll*

"Oh, I Like flat!, Skueomorphic is terrible.. so DATED"
"No, flat is terrible design, ugh i can't cope, Ugly icons physically pain me.."
 
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One, we don't have any solid evidence that Christie left because of problems with Ive. Both John Gruber and Tech Crunch disputed Mark Gurman's story, and former Apple employee Bob Borchers called it BS on Twitter, implying the way Gurman reported it is not the way it went down inside Apple. Even if Ive and Christie didn't see eye to eye on UI design that doesn't mean Christie was pushed out. I think Cook has made it quite clear he doesn't tolerate politics and is pushing collaboration pretty hard. If Ive was highly political and not a team player Cook wouldn't tolerate it and Ive would be gone. Fact is, Cook gave Ive responsibility for Human Interface at Apple. Having that team actually report into Craig Federighi never made much sense. It could be as simple as Christie being burned out after nearly 20 years and thinking now was the right time to retire.



As far as Forstall goes, as I posted earlier, it wasn't just Ive that had problems with him. Supposedly Bob Mansfield wouldn't take meetings with him unless Cook was around. On one of Gruber's podcasts he said Phil Schiller also had issues with Forstall. Plus Tony Fadell in an interview with the BBC said Forstall "got what he deserved". Heck one report claimed people inside Apple were celebrating like when the Giants won the World Series. From what I've read it doesn't appear that Forstall was universally hated (at least not within his software team) but clearly more than just Ive had issues with him inside the company.


That's what I feel as well. Tim needs to send a strong signal that no one in Apple is indispensable. If you are a threat to teamwork and collaboration, then out you go, regardless of how good or valuable you are.

If the stories surrounding Scott were true, then it was probably for the best that he left. This is not about keeping only yes-men, but about maintaining the harmonious working environment in the workplace.
 
On John Gruber's latest podcast he discusses Greg Christie's retirement with Mark Gurman. What I found interesting is according to Gruber's sources, Christie apparently got along better with Ive than he did with Forstall and that the two are actually good friends.

http://www.muleradio.net/thetalkshow/79/
 
Spun off from a topic about the looks of Yosemite:

Mismanagement:
http://9to5mac.com/2014/04/09/jony-...ne-interface-creator-greg-christie-departing/

Ive is basically, as far as I'm concerned, a glorified box designer.

I don't know about you but if I need open heart surgery, I see a doctor, not a sculptor. Jony Ive doesn't know what he's doing and it shows.


From the Jony Ive Redesigns Things topic:

… For most of 2013, I was only vaguely aware of the name Jony Ive. …

… I really don't want to get into verbally bashing any individual. …

In no particular order:

Damn you Jony! First Scott, then iOS and now Greg. Please make great hardware as you always do and give back UI/UX design to the experienced people.

There's a topic: Scott Forstall

Lots of rats have been ousted! …

Ben?

So a report on an Apple blog has everyone on this website going ******* like the real housewives of Cupertino. The guy is retiring. He isn't being forced out. Why is everyone freaking out? Relax, breathe, your iPhones will be fine.

+1
to not going crazy with speculation about individuals.

iOS might be fine but OS X is not …

This is not new at all. Think about how many people left when Steve was there. Avie, Fred Anderson, Faddell, Rubinstein, etc. It happens.
People are worried about tension and conflicts, but it was like that under Steve. … I think people are looking into it way too much.

Yes and no. At one time I went crazy with speculation (in the absence of reasonable explanations) because the software was so poor.

There sure has been an exodus of good seasoned talent at Apple since the death of Jobs.

Funny how the moment the word hits the street suddenly the forum members trash them.

Yep, those things are remarkable.

FWIW, Bob Borchers who worked at Apple (part of the original iPhone team) and now works for Dolby, tweeted that 9to5Mac's story is "total BS" and that Christie is "well respected" and "the details are important". …

:)

… Apple issued a statement to Financial Times reporter Tim Bradshaw saying that Greg Christie "has been planning to retire later this year" and that he "worked closely with Jony for many years".

Apple: Greg Christie "has been planning to retire later this year after nearly 20 years at Apple... worked closely with Jony for many years" - Tim Bradshaw (@tim) April 9, 2014​

… TechCrunch reports that Christie's retirement has been known within the company for weeks and that there has "been a distinct lack of drama in this transition". The piece also says Christie will stay at Apple for a while longer working on "special projects", similar to former SVP Bob Mansfield, and that he has moved into a role with no direct reports.

… John Gruber concurs, saying that his sources inside Apple say that while there have been disagreements between Christie and Ive, it isn't anything out of the ordinary. He also says Christie may be staying at the company through the end of the year.

"The basic gist I've heard is that Christie is a guy who's been in a high-pressure, high-profile job for 18 years, most of it reporting to Steve Jobs. He's made a lot of money and is ready to enjoy it. That's largely in line with the Apple PR line given to the WSJ, but I heard all of this from ground-level Cupertino-area pixel-pushing designers."​
 
Jony Ivy never should have been let anywhere near software. Judging from Yosemite and the new look of safari he is genuinely incompetent when it comes to software and if Apple doesn't do something soon to reign him in there will be issues
 
There are just a few issues with software, which are being fixed with new releases every 18 minutes.
 
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