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'Slide to Unlock' Engineer Greg Christie to Depart Apple After Fallout with Jony Ive [Updated]

mr.datsun said:
I wish Ive would stay out of interface design. He just doesn't get it.

iOS and OS X have both take a real nose dive since he got involved. I want usability and legibility over designer 'cool'.

Hands of our OS interfaces, Jonny!
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Sorry, that ship has sailed. The interface designers now report directly to Ive whereas previously they reported to Federighi. Ive is taking more control over software UI not less. So you either get used to it or go somewhere else. One would think though if the lower level designers were at odds with Ive over his vision his role would have been reduced, not expanded.
 
when clueless people take a lead, you can see where is the company is heading to..... (1) south (2) down (3) nowhere
 
mr.datsun said:
I wish Ive would stay out of interface design. He just doesn't get it.
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He doesn't have to "get it" he's worshipped as the supreme being. Fire 'em all, let Ive take over the entire company. He'll show everyone, or not :eek:
 
rdlink said:
"Dammit, I told you all to hate iOS7, and I am going to hold my breath and turn blue until the rest of the world agrees with me. That means all of you people who are using it just fine, and even those liking it so much better than iOS6. You don't know what the Hell you're talking about. Hate it, I said. Hate it!!"
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This does not reflect my concerns. I'm not an iOS 7 fan but I hope they don't screw up the Mac OS too soon. I don't need a new Mac yet. I'm hoping all the software is not Johnyized before i do.

I'd love to have one more Mac before I am a full time Win user compliments of the new Apple. For now I use Windows for certain tasks only.

I know Apple is not terribly concerned about the Mac. iDevices particularly iPhone is the moneymaker.
 
krye said:
Clash with Jony Ive? It would be an honor and a privilege just to breathe the same air. The man is a genius. If he says something should be purple, then it should be purple.

Anyone that leaves a position at Apple for something so petty is a fool. I'd clean the toilets if given the chance.
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No. I love the Ive design principles and output. My jaw really did drop when I got the MB Pro Retina. I spent more time picking it up and looking around it the the first 24 hours I had it. But, and this is a big but, he is far from infallible. Nobody thrives by having "yes" men around them. If you remove the checks and balances, then the ego can't help but run away with itself. Ive needs a strong ego to counterbalance him.
 
Ive has done things that other companies could only copy. But still his designs have flaws and compromises.

UI design is a whole different level of complexity. Users become familiar with the way a UI behaves. I hope Jony has read the original Apple Human Interface Guidelines and Donald Norman's books.

And please don't let "cool" screw up stability and performance.
 
SusanK said:
The whole army's out of step except Ive ;)
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Let's see, according to Matthew Panzarino at Tech Crunch, Greg Christie's retirement was announced inside Apple weeks ago, and planned for even longer ago. He claims there is a "distinct lack of drama" in the transition. John Gruber and Peter Cohen echoed something similar. Bob Borchers, ex-Apple employee, tweeted that Gurman's story was BS and that Christie is well respected at Apple and the circumstances/details around his departure are anything but what Gurman reported.

Seems to me this is as simple as Ive finally taking full control over all design. If his job duties include leading human interface then it only makes sense that the human interface team(s) report into him and not someone else.
 
Rogifan said:
Let's see, according to Matthew Panzarino at Tech Crunch, Greg Christie's retirement was announced inside Apple weeks ago, and planned for even longer ago. He claims there is a "distinct lack of drama" in the transition. John Gruber and Peter Cohen echoed something similar. Bob Borchers, ex-Apple employee, tweeted that Gurman's story was BS and that Christie is well respected at Apple and the circumstances/details around his departure are anything but what Gurman reported.

Seems to me this is as simple as Ive finally taking full control over all design. If his job duties include leading human interface then it only makes sense that the human interface team(s) report into him and not someone else.
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Ive designs beautiful hardware
 
Rogifan said:
Let's see, according to Matthew Panzarino at Tech Crunch, Greg Christie's retirement was announced inside Apple weeks ago, and planned for even longer ago. He claims there is a "distinct lack of drama" in the transition. John Gruber and Peter Cohen echoed something similar. Bob Borchers, ex-Apple employee, tweeted that Gurman's story was BS and that Christie is well respected at Apple and the circumstances/details around his departure are anything but what Gurman reported.

Seems to me this is as simple as Ive finally taking full control over all design. If his job duties include leading human interface then it only makes sense that the human interface team(s) report into him and not someone else.
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You posted this at 12:35 PM yesterday.

"Personally I think iOS stagnated under Forstall's watch and I don't think that will happen now that Federighi is in charge."
 
So first it was the architect of Mac OS and now the architect of iOS (Yes Scott forstall was the main force here as well).

So is Jony Ive running wild and getting rid of all these great technical minds?

He can flatten things and be effusive about design, but when things have to work, there would't be anyone to do it.

About time Mr.Cook reigns in this guy before he turns Apple into just a design studio.
 
krravi said:
So first it was the architect of Mac OS and now the architect of iOS (Yes Scott forstall was the main force here as well).

So is Jony Ive running wild and getting rid of all these great technical minds?

He can flatten things and be effusive about design, but when things have to work, there would't be anyone to do it.

About time Mr.Cook reigns in this guy before he turns Apple into just a design studio.
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I agree. I have little confidence that will happen. If Cook wanted to reign Ive in the time was when Ive refused to attend meetings that included Forstall. Either Ive was doing exactly what Cook wanted or Cook lost all control then.
 
SusanK said:
I agree. I have little confidence that will happen. If Cook wanted to reign Ive in the time was when Ive refused to attend meetings that included Forstall. Either Ive was doing exactly what Cook wanted or Cook lost all control then.
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Should Cook have reigned in Bob Mansfield because he also allegedly refused to attend meetings with Forstall?

http://www.businessweek.com/magazin...orcerers-apprentice-at-apple-10122011.html#p2
Some former associates of Forstall, none of whom would comment on the record for fear of alienating Apple, say he routinely takes credit for collaborative successes, deflects blame for mistakes, and is maddeningly political. They say he has such a fraught relationship with other members of the executive team—including lead designer Jony Ive and Mac hardware chief Bob Mansfield—that they avoid meetings with him unless Tim Cook is present.
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Oh and supposedly the reason Mansfield stayed on at Apple was because Forstall was leaving. Apparently Ive wasn't the only one who had issues with Forstall.

http://allthingsd.com/20121101/behi...etirement-why-bob-mansfield-is-back-at-apple/

As one source close to the company told AllThingsD, “The timing of Bob’s return is not coincidental.”

To begin with, Mansfield was not a fan of Forstall’s confrontational management style, and sources said he generally tried to avoid the iOS exec. Indeed, Bloomberg reported last year that Mansfield would meet with Forstall only if Cook were present to mediate. I’ve heard many similar stories.

“It wasn’t a him-or-me situation,” one source said of Mansfield’s return and Forstall’s departure. “But, put it this way, I think Bob was much more willing to commit to two more years once he knew Scott was on his way out.”
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SusanK said:
You posted this at 12:35 PM yesterday.

"Personally I think iOS stagnated under Forstall's watch and I don't think that will happen now that Federighi is in charge."
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Federighi is leader of software engineering. I'm assuming software engineering has responsibility over things like actionable notifications, better inter-app communications, opening up Siri and Touch ID to third party apps, etc.

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SusanK said:
Ive designs beautiful hardware
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You think he designs all this stuff on his own? I've said it before, if the new software UI direction was really hated inside Apple then Christie wouldn't be retiring, Ive would have his involvement in software reduced. I think Cook has shown that there are no sacred cows at Apple.
 
Rogifan said:
Should Cook have reigned in Bob Mansfield because he also allegedly refused to attend meetings with Forstall?

http://www.businessweek.com/magazin...orcerers-apprentice-at-apple-10122011.html#p2


Oh and supposedly the reason Mansfield stayed on at Apple was because Forstall was leaving. Apparently Ive wasn't the only one who had issues with Forstall.

http://allthingsd.com/20121101/behi...etirement-why-bob-mansfield-is-back-at-apple/



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Federighi is leader of software engineering. I'm assuming software engineering has responsibility over things like actionable notifications, better inter-app communications, opening up Siri and Touch ID to third party apps, etc.

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You think he designs all this stuff on his own? I've said it before, if the new software UI direction was really hated inside Apple then Christie wouldn't be retiring, Ive would have his involvement in software reduced. I think Cook has shown that there are no sacred cows at Apple.
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Of course, except Ive that is.
 
Rogifan said:
You think he designs all this stuff on his own? I've said it before, if the new software UI direction was really hated inside Apple then Christie wouldn't be retiring, Ive would have his involvement in software reduced. I think Cook has shown that there are no sacred cows at Apple.
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What is iOS market share now? What was iOS market share October 2012?

I think you missed that question the first time I posted to you. Thanks!
 
krravi said:
Of course, except Ive that is.
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Based on?

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SusanK said:
What is iOS market share now? What was iOS market share October 2012?

I think you missed that question the first time I posted to you. Thanks!
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And what will iOS market share be once a larger screen iPhone is announced? Certainly higher than it was in September 2012.
 
mr.datsun said:
I wish Ive would stay out of interface design. He just doesn't get it.

iOS and OS X have both take a real nose dive since he got involved. I want usability and legibility over designer 'cool'.

Hands of our OS interfaces, Jonny!
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I believe Steve handed Jony a binder full of ideas/concepts and he's just trying to deploy them with full control/oversight. I believe he isn't letting anyone see the notes/ideas/concepts Steve left him and he's going to take full credit IF any one of them are successful.
 
bawbac said:
I believe Steve handed Jony a binder full of ideas/concepts and he's just trying to deploy them with full control/oversight. I believe he isn't letting anyone see the notes/ideas/concepts Steve left him and he's going to take full credit IF any one of them are successful.
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Ah so iOS 7 really was Steve's idea :D
 
bawbac said:
I believe Steve handed Jony a binder full of ideas/concepts and he's just trying to deploy them with full control/oversight. I believe he isn't letting anyone see the notes/ideas/concepts Steve left him and he's going to take full credit IF any one of them are successful.
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I think you have that backwards :)

Jobs was not an idea man. No way did he have a binder of concepts.

It was Jobs who took credit for the ideas of others, even Ive's:

Steve Jobs Would Annoy Jony Ive By Taking Credit For His Design Work
 
BaldiMac said:
I'm guessing that this is really a red herring, but I'll bite.

Q3 2012 15.0%
Q4 2013 17.9%

http://bgr.com/2012/10/26/smartphone-market-share-q3-samsung-apple/
http://www.aivanet.com/2014/01/smar...d-1-billion-in-2013-depending-on-who-you-ask/
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Thanks for the response.

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Rogifan said:
Based on?

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And what will iOS market share be once a larger screen iPhone is announced? Certainly higher than it was in September 2012.
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I hope a larger screen sells more iPhones.
 
Rogifan said:
Based on?

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And what will iOS market share be once a larger screen iPhone is announced? Certainly higher than it was in September 2012.
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Based on the fact that two people have been ousted that seemed to have problems with Ive and you never pause and think that maybe Ive is not a team player here?
 
krravi said:
Based on the fact that two people have been ousted that seemed to have problems with Ive and you never pause and think that maybe Ive is not a team player here?
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Ive's iOS7 Instructions to Christie
1 - Make everything thin. Every year I make the phone thinner. No reason the UI can't be thin too
2 - Make everything white and pastel because those are the colors I see when I drop tabs and watch My Little Pony
 
redscull said:
In the first version of my post, I actually had a sentence saying exactly that. Well-done flat would be good and fine, but iOS 7's flat is not such an example. I guess I should have left it in.
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It will get there. Future OS updates...
 
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