Smokers, do you think it's perfectly okay to smoke as long as you're outside?

[Heilage]

So would you throw the cup on the ground if there was no garbage can around?

Congrats on quitting.

If there is no acceptable way of disposing of the newly smoked cigarette, what the hell am I supposed to do?

I really hate seeing cigarette butts on the ground too, even though I used to smoke, but the government seems to think that if they put public ashtrays everywhere, they encourage smoking. Go figure.

 

[ikermalli]

I used to smoke. I hated inhaling other people's "used" smoke on the street. Only time I'd ever do that would be at parties, like from the '93 In The Name Of The Father movie where a couple make out after one of them took a pull from a cigarette. That's the only acceptable way, I see, to breath in someone's used smoke. The whole thing looks cool after exchanging it and exhaling it.

That's called a shotgun, I do that with some girls, but not with cigs, with other "herbal medications"

 

[djellison]

If there is no acceptable way of disposing of the newly smoked cigarette, what the hell am I supposed to do?

Errr - don't smoke? That would solve the problem. Stub it out and take it with you. FIND a bin. Go to your car and put it in the ashtray there.

Could you really not think of ANY option rather than throw it on the floor?

 

[Heilage]

Errr - don't smoke? That would solve the problem. Stub it out and take it with you. FIND a bin. Go to your car and put it in the ashtray there.

Could you really not think of ANY option rather than throw it on the floor?

I have actually quit smoking, so the problem is solved for my part. You can't stub it out and take it, it smells like ****. And there is no smoking in my car, at any time or in any way.

 

[jmann]

You can't stub it out and take it, it smells like ****.

There is usually trash cans in most places, I would imagine. I too dislike when I see the ground littered in butts from smokers.

 

[Heilage]

Trash cans are only regularly seen in town, not on other roads. I even think it's illegal to throw something in somoene else's trash can (like by the driveway). I'm not sure about this though.

Hopefully, I'll never have to stub another cigarette again. I was, however, a very considerate smoker when I did smoke. If was at a bus stop, I removed myself from other people to be sure they wouldn't be bothered, and I always made sure the smoke was blowing away from other people. So you have nothing on me.

 

[blackfox]

As an addendum to my earlier reply - there are situations where things can get a little ethically and/or etiquette(ly?) suspect or hairy.

As in most cities these days, bars and restaurants are non-smoking - and many provide outdoor seating as de-facto accommodation for smokers - especially bars.

Unfortunately, there are problems with this. Of course, while many who choose to seat outside are smokers - not everyone is. Coupled with drinking - this can make a situation where smokers feel entitled - in their last vestige of smoke-dom, and especially inconsiderate of those around them who may not smoke.

Of course, there are not children present - and most people know what to expect on an outdoor bar patio in terms of smoking patrons - but it can be difficult to navigate such a situation personally.

I say this because I am just one person/smoker. I may be surrounded by many - in my own party even. No matter how conscientious I may be, not everyone will be and we all are lumped together (literally and figuratively). I feel bad in such situations, because I don't want to be a dick - but like large groups of drunk people being loud and obnoxious - one person being quiet and respectful doesn't make the group any less loud or obnoxious.

I have limited myself to discussion of bar patios, because it is the most glaring example. Eatery patios have a better etiquette generally - but are subject to the same problem.

Lastly, it must be said - I do fall short sometimes. I will occasionally flick a butt, or not pay attention to my smoking - often while drinking - but it is an exception to a code-of-conduct I have worked hard at.

I understand some people will not like my smoking no matter how I behave, and may think less of me for engaging in such behavior. Their reasons my be decent or otherwise, but they are entitled to their opinions.

My opinion, is that personally I enjoy smoking. I am fully aware of the health issues, and of the smell issues, and of the cost issues. Nevertheless, for me, it has certain idiosyncratic advantages that I personally enjoy more that the drawbacks. So, to enjoy my habit - I have made concessions to respect those who disagree with me on any/all levels to the degree that seems fair. I am, despite my smoking, believe it or not, a fairly intelligent and reasonable fellow.

Still, I will side with some non-smokers in saying to smokers - don't be a dick about smoking - it makes it harder for everyone.

 

[Beerfloat]

I stopped caring about what non-smokers think. Get out of the way if you don't want to smell smoke. Clean the pavement after I'm gone if it bothers you.

 

[instaxgirl]

If I was a smoker (Which I'm not), and was around somebody, but felt like smoking, I would ask them if they're okay. If they aren't. Too bad for me, if they are, fine.

Telling people not to smoke if they ask makes me feel like a dick

As in most cities these days, bars and restaurants are non-smoking - and many provide outdoor seating as de-facto accommodation for smokers - especially bars.

Unfortunately, there are problems with this. Of course, while many who choose to seat outside are smokers - not everyone is. Coupled with drinking - this can make a situation where smokers feel entitled - in their last vestige of smoke-dom, and especially inconsiderate of those around them who may not smoke.

Massive problem. I HATE this. Most of the situations I encounter it in it is more a case of food being served than a bar patio etc and it really pisses me off. I think it's just the height of rudeness. Someone smokes beside me at a bus stop I can move away, a friend lights up as we walk along I can move away from the smoke. When I'm eating I'm stuck. Disgusting.

I stopped caring about what non-smokers think. Get out of the way if you don't want to smell smoke. Clean the pavement after I'm gone if it bothers you.

I want to think you're just trolling instead of being a dick.

 

[GoCubsGo]

As a former smoker I can say it was always acceptable for me to smoke so long as I was outside. What I usually did was remove myself from people. Now today I've been to a number of places where smoking is okay and it kills me when people have to smoke in small places outside like crowded concerts. I would have never done that. Just last night that happened and of course I have to come home and shower just to rid myself of the smell.

As for not having a place to dispose of a butt, you can put it in a baggie. I know people did that and they'd stick it in their pocket until they found a trash. Rationalizing dropping the butt because it stink is silly. Smoking stinks and you smell just like that butt you complain of.

 

[spaceboots06]

That's called a shotgun, I do that with some girls, but not with cigs, with other "herbal medications"

Ahh, yes. Herbal medication.

I thought shotgunning is when a person, preferably drunk, puts their mouth on the wrong side of a cigarette and another on the correct end blows, creating a really harsh and powerful pull. That certainly was the cause of me throwing up several times.

Also, to other posters in this thread, you do realize that, at least in America, we are entitled to smoke anywhere we want to outside. Technically smokers "own the place" just as much as non smokers.

 

[velocityg4]

I personally try to avoid crowded areas while smoking. In public I generally only smoke in my car. When in college I would take less crowded routes smoke while walking between classes or if there was an extended break I would seek out other smokers and smoke in that area. When I was done I would either hold or pocket a cigarette then toss it in the trash or preferably down a toilette. At bars, which I go to maybe once a year, I smoke in the smoking area were half of the customers are.

I do not smoke inside. Even in my own house because it makes the place reek. Though I do know I smell of cigarettes, people who smoke inside all the time smell bad even to outdoor smokers. Think of one spritz of cologne versus dousing yourself with a bottle. When I go in a customers house who smokes inside I know it immediately as the smell is so strong.

Massive problem. I HATE this. Most of the situations I encounter it in it is more a case of food being served than a bar patio etc and it really pisses me off. I think it's just the height of rudeness. Someone smokes beside me at a bus stop I can move away, a friend lights up as we walk along I can move away from the smoke. When I'm eating I'm stuck. Disgusting.

Remember in many areas smokers have to hunt out places were they can drink or eat and have a cigarette, in the U.S. anyways I hear other countries are far more lenient. While there are numerous places non-smokers can go to for a smoke free environment. If you don't like going somewhere because it allows smoking then take your money elsewhere to support an establishment that does not accept smoking. If enough people did this, hurting the businesses financially, then many of those smoking establishments would likely close there smoking areas to attract non-smoking customers.

Ahh, yes. Herbal medication.

I thought shotgunning is when a person, preferably drunk, puts their mouth on the wrong side of a cigarette and another on the correct end blows, creating a really harsh and powerful pull. That certainly was the cause of me throwing up several times.

Also, to other posters in this thread, you do realize that, at least in America, we are entitled to smoke anywhere we want to outside. Technically smokers "own the place" just as much as non smokers.

I remember an old Vietnam newsreel. Where one soldier put the barrel of an empty shotgun in his mouth. Then another put a lit pipe in a chamber and blew it to his friend, not tobacco. This is what I consider shotgunning.

 

[spaceboots06]

Remember in many areas smokers have to hunt out places were they can drink or eat and have a cigarette. While there are numerous places non-smokers can go to for a smoke free environment. If you don't like going somewhere because it allows smoking then take your money elsewhere to support an establishment that does not accept smoking. If enough people did this, hurting the businesses financially, then many of those smoking establishments would likely close there smoking areas to attract non-smoking customers.



I remember an old Vietnam newsreel. Where one soldier put the barrel of an empty shotgun in his mouth. Then another put a lit pipe in a chamber and blew it to his friend, not tobacco. This is what I consider shotgunning.

Yeah, haha. That's the "throwback" shotgun, where the term itself got its name from, I believe. I think the cigarette option is the modernized and more civil way of doing it, because we can't carry around thumpers, sadly.

Although they would prove useful in many, many situations, like when someone cuts you off while driving or when people are too loud on public transportation.

 

[djellison]

I stopped caring about what non-smokers think. Get out of the way if you don't want to smell smoke. Clean the pavement after I'm gone if it bothers you.

Can I come and vomit in your face. If you don't like it - you could get out of the way and clean the mess up afterwards if it bothers you.

 

[samiwas]

Remember in many areas smokers have to hunt out places were they can drink or eat and have a cigarette, in the U.S. anyways I hear other countries are far more lenient. While there are numerous places non-smokers can go to for a smoke free environment. If you don't like going somewhere because it allows smoking then take your money elsewhere to support an establishment that does not accept smoking. If enough people did this, hurting the businesses financially, then many of those smoking establishments would likely close there smoking areas to attract non-smoking customers.

I think Atlanta did it right in this case. Business/restaurant owners were given the choice to allow smoking or not. In order to allow smoking, a restaurant has to be restricted to 18 and over only (never allowing children inside, even with parents), and be clearly labeled as a smoking establishment. Those places that chose to go this way have not hurt, BY FAR. In fact, one of the bars I used to go to before the ban was always a smoking establishment, but didn't do a heck of a lot of business. After the ban, you could barely get in the door. Several other places have done just as well. And if someone doesn't want to be subjected to the smoke, they can go elsewhere. That's the way I see it.

 

[Mac Kiwi]

I smoked for over 10 years,but when I went night clubbing you walked into a room which resembled the movie "The Fog" Those days are over now,but I am curious as to how much quicker your health suffers if you are constantly in a crowded smoky room....as opposed to just smoking yourself like?


The smoking only bars must have a disclaimer etc which covers them from future litigation,for health reasons though?

 

[Surely]

If there is no acceptable way of disposing of the newly smoked cigarette, what the hell am I supposed to do?

I really hate seeing cigarette butts on the ground too, even though I used to smoke, but the government seems to think that if they put public ashtrays everywhere, they encourage smoking. Go figure.

Really? Is it really that difficult to figure this out?

Carry an empty metal Altoids case and put your butts in that.

Carry around a ziplock bag and put your butts in that.

Buy a pocket ashtray and put your butts in that.

There are simple solutions to this "unsolvable" problem.

Since you don't smoke anymore, feel free to pass these solutions on to your smoking friends.

 

[156457]

I stopped caring about what non-smokers think. Get out of the way if you don't want to smell smoke. Clean the pavement after I'm gone if it bothers you.

Wow, you really do sound like a jerk. I'm gonna come take a dump on your car, if you don't like it, hell, go clean it up after I'm gone.

 

[ikermalli]

Ahh, yes. Herbal medication.

I thought shotgunning is when a person, preferably drunk, puts their mouth on the wrong side of a cigarette and another on the correct end blows, creating a really harsh and powerful pull. That certainly was the cause of me throwing up several times.

Also, to other posters in this thread, you do realize that, at least in America, we are entitled to smoke anywhere we want to outside. Technically smokers "own the place" just as much as non smokers.

Yeah, there are two ways, I've seen that before, it's sick, but the way I said is also called shotgunning around here. And, yes, herbal medication, you know... like back in the old days in the army.

 

[Beerfloat]

Can I come and vomit in your face. If you don't like it - you could get out of the way and clean the mess up afterwards if it bothers you.

Yup, this type of simplistic humour sounds typical of your average anti-smoker activist. Good example of why I no longer give a damn.

 

[Surely]

Yup, this type of simplistic humour sounds typical of your average anti-smoker activist. Good example of why I no longer give a damn.

It's nothing to do with activism. It's really just about common courtesy.

I'm sure that if you were trying to sleep at 2am and your neighbor started playing loud music, you wouldn't be happy about it. If you asked him to turn the music down, that doesn't make you an anti-noise activist.

If some teenagers were constantly speeding in their cars in front of your house where your kids play, asking them to slow down doesn't make you an anti-speed activist.

If you know that your second hand smoke might bother someone, and can actually be dangerous to someone, why not care enough to keep it away from non-smokers?