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If some higher life form judged about us from this younger generation i'd say we have no hope. A younger generation i know sends a properly formulated message or email with no ******** emoji and grammar errors like it's supposed to be.
We know how to use proper grammar, but we sometimes choose not to. We stopped using email for casual messaging after people in your generation started sending us loads of spam and people in our generation made better messaging systems.
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Snapchat is not a youth thing it's a 20s-40s thing. And i'm sorry but sex and bodies are not something that should be hidden from children by companies, it should be adults/parents/guardians who "protect the child" from what they consider offensive. You can't hold companies 100% to blame, any compensation they give to the child should be equal to what the parent is required to pay in compensation. It should cut both ways.
OK, but the problem is the app is rated 12+. Parents will think it's safe, or they might be relying on parental controls on the phone. Strangely, the rating lists a ton of stuff totally not safe for 12-year-olds, including "mild/infrequent nudity." It really ought to be 18+ if they're serving this content, especially if it's curated. I agree with the lawsuit.
 
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it's not about what people send to each other otherwise there's no difference to what u can do with even a simple MMS. it's about the discovery feature.

either way, what a stupid mother. I bet she blames teachers for their kids bad grades too
She's not stupid, she's just trying to make millions off Snapchat
 
Well as a parent I did not know that.

It's a shame there aren't many safe harbors for kids anymore. But it is what it is. And so my husband and I diligently sift through the kids' communications. The tricky part is dealing with the fact we can't control what a kid sees and hears at a friend's house if the friend's parents aren't as diligent and tech savvy.

Despite all that effort, we'd have to be incredibly naive and stupid to think some stuff isn't getting past us once in awhile. We were kids once, too...

<sarcasm> Just what we need, more laws and lawsuits. Your kid, not my responsibility. I'd like to see jail and other restrictions on people that can't properly raise their children. What the hell is your CHILD doing with an ADULT device? Get off my lawn, leave the dog alone, and $&@#%*, PULL up your pants! </sarcasm>.....
 
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Snapchat isn't for kids. It's way too easy to send inappropriate or mean messages to one another with no record.
Yes. For many reasons, I also don't think kids should have iPhones. Phone calls and messaging are the only things they should have.
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Excellent point. Duh...I completely overlooked that and so did most of us discussing this topic.
Yeah, I was surprised nobody mentioned it. I guess nobody looked up the rating. Also, sorry for ninja-editing. I do that way too much because I can never decide what to type.
 
it's not about what people send to each other otherwise there's no difference to what u can do with even a simple MMS. it's about the discovery feature.

But this is not direct person to person. If you're using an app that keeps images stored until you open the app to view them, they are essentially hosting child pornography. If I'm 12 and send a snapchat to my 12 year old friend who is offline all weekend, SnapChat holds that photo of my underage body for 72 hours until my friend signs on and views it therefore SnapChat stored and then distributed child pornography.
 
I 100% agree that parents are responsible for their children. But, we have got to recognize that technology advancement has outpaced a good portion of our parents. And, let's not forget about the numbers of children that are being raised by their grandparents.

We are having this discussion on a tech site and thus it's a safe assumption that many involved here are most likely more tech savvy and educated than the general populace. My children are 7 and 11 years old and I can assure you that many of our friends who are also parents have no clue what is out there and the ways in which today's modern devices grant access or provide an avenue for behavior that they do not want their children to engage in.

Fortunately, some children are still immature and not yet wise enough to cover their tracks. For example, a close friend's 11 year old son looked up pornography on his mothers cell phone and didn't know how to erase the browser history or simply cover his tracks and thus... busted! What was his mother's reaction, "I had no idea that he could access stuff like that so easily!?!"

To say, "parents should be responsible" is shortsighted because it's asking people to plan around factors of which they are ignorant. The solution to this parental challenge is more education for parents. Our parents need to have places they can go to learn about the potential dangers of social media and the internet. They need to be trained on how to use parental controls effectively and taught what signs to look for in their children's behavior.

As for the comments about "kids being kids" and this being nothing new, well, yes and no. Human nature is still human nature and youth will be curious about sexuality, but the open access and availability is different in today's world and that is changing the views of younger generations. I'm a professional therapist and the work I do with young people reflects a marked difference in attitudes towards sexuality as opposed to previous generations. As another poster has already mentioned the advent of social media and everyone having a camera has built an expectation in younger generations that sexuality will be captured in media format and shared. There is also less of an emphasis on exclusivity in relationships. One young girl I worked with recently explained how her boyfriend expected her to give sexual favors to his friends just to "help them out" because they didn't have a girlfriend at the time. Pornography exposure has greatly changed the expectations of young men in the bedroom and furthered the stereotypical view that a partner is there to simply be used for your own satisfaction. Teens I've worked with have explained to me that there is a lot of pressure on girls to use apps like Facetime or Snapchat to provide real life porn to peers or significant others so they can "take care of their needs". For example, "I can't find anything online that interest me at the moment Sally, why don't you make me a quick video so I can do my thing..."

Is everything I've mentioned Snapchat's fault and should they be held responsible, no. But, they should do their part to have adequate warnings, age restrictions, and not be serving explicit content that is not searched for. There are numerous programs like Snapchat that can be used irresponsibly so I don't blame them. But, likewise, the solution is not simply to blame parents either. It's a complex issue and since it's a morality issue many will come down on different sides of the topic.
 
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Just get off snapchat then, lawsuits aren't needed:rolleyes:
So companies should be able to do what they want simply based on the idea that you don't have to use their products/services? I'm not necessrily saying anything about lawsuits (although those could certainly come in play at times), but that's not exactly much of a reasoning there.
 
So companies should be able to do what they want simply based on the idea that you don't have to use their products/services? I'm not necessarily saying anything about lawsuits (although those could certainly come in play at times), but that's not exactly much of a reasoning there.
Its their app, let them do what they want. You don't like it then get off the app, its as simple as that pal.
 
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This has nothing to do with what others post to your kid's account (My kids 11&14). It's snapchat's responsibility to not serve content (advertisements and their own content) outside of their 13+ rating. Cut and dry, no ifs ands or buts. There is no other argument in this case really than what is acceptable to show to a 13 year old.

I haven't seen these supposedly explicit or questionable advertisements either. Are they like "Evony" or "Game of War" advertisements with a scantily clad female warrior or are they truly explicit? Not that I think either of those hotties are appropriate for advertising to a 13yr old, and the definition of explicit can be blurred (like using bitch and ass on radio and TV are ok, but other words are not acceptable). Maybe my son has become immune to seeing warrior babes in push up tops that offer no protection from the ogres and other "enemies" in their games.
 
Reading the article might help.

I did, and I also took the time to read other articles. She wants to hold snapchat accountable for content that they don't generate, which is idiotic. It's like blaming Youtube because someone posted a video that hurt your precious sensibilities instead of simply controlling the situation like people SEEMED to be able to do for thousands of years in the past.
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You have kids?

Maybe, maybe not. Doesn't matter. Too tired to do your job as a parent and therefore assume that everyone else has that same issue? Your excuse is the same as people whose kids run wild in stores and they complain about how they just can't handle it when other parents seem to be perfectly capable of maintaining control and rearing kids who aren't acting like animals. At the end of the day, the buck DOES stop with you. If that's too much to ask, don't have kids. They are YOUR responsibility, not society's, not mine, not your neighbor's, and neither you nor your little darlings are special snowflakes that have it harder than anyone else.
 
I 100% agree that parents are responsible for their children. But, we have got to recognize that technology advancement has outpaced a good portion of our parents. And, let's not forget about the numbers of children that are being raised by their grandparents.

We are having this discussion on a tech site and thus it's a safe assumption that many involved here are most likely more tech savvy and educated than the general populace. My children are 7 and 11 years old and I can assure you that many of our friends who are also parents have no clue what is out there and the ways in which today's modern devices grant access or provide an avenue for behavior that they do not want there children to engage in.

Fortunately, some children are still immature and not yet wise enough to cover their tracks. For example, a close friend's 11 year old son looked up pornography on his mothers cell phone and didn't know how to erase the browser history or simply cover his tracks and thus... busted! What was his mother's reaction, "I had no idea that he could access stuff like that so easily!?!"

To say, "parents should be responsible" is shortsighted because it's asking people to plan around factors of which they are ignorant. The solution to this parental challenge is more education for parents. Our parents need to have places they can go to learn about the potential dangers of social media and the internet. They need to be trained on how to use parental controls effectively and taught what signs to look for in their children's behavior.

As for the comments about "kids being kids" and this being nothing new, well, yes and no. Human nature is still human nature and youth will be curious about sexuality, but the open access and availability is different in today's world and that is changing the views of younger generations. I'm a professional therapist and the work I do with young people reflects a marked difference in attitudes towards sexuality as opposed to previous generations. As another poster has already mentioned the advent of social media and everyone having a camera has built an expectation in younger generations that sexuality will be captured in media format and shared. There is also less of an emphasis on exclusivity in relationships. One young girl I worked with recently explained how her boyfriend expected her to give sexual favors to his friends just to "help them out" because they didn't have a girlfriend at the time. Pornography exposure has greatly changed the expectations of young men in the bedroom and furthered the stereotypical view that a partner is there to simply be used for your own satisfaction. Teens I've worked with have explained to me that there is a lot of pressure on girls to use apps like Facetime or Snapchat to provide real life porn to peers or significant others so they can "take care of their needs". For example, "I can't find anything online that interest me at the moment Sally, why don't you make me a quick video so I can do my thing..."

Is everything I've mentioned Snapchat's fault and should they be held responsible, no. But, they should do their part to have adequate warnings, age restrictions, and not be serving explicit content that is not searched for. There are numerous programs like Snapchat that can be used irresponsibly so I don't blame them. But, likewise, the solution is not simply to blame parents either. It's a complex issue and since it's a morality issue many will come down on different sides of the topic.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Going back to even my grandmother's time, and she would be about 106 about now, guys have been trying to cajole girls into doing something of a sexual nature to "help them out". It's just that now these acts will be recorded and dispersed to the Internet for the poor girl's eternal humiliation, as opposed to a one time indiscretion she can move past. On the other hand, those one time indiscretions of my grandmother's era sometimes resulted in unwed motherhood which carried a lifelong stigma if not hidden.

So at the core, the parent's job remains the same: have that frank discussion about sex with boys and girls and the contexts in which it can be an enriching rewarding experience and those in which it can lead to disease, unwanted pregnancies, power plays, and humiliation. This will entail taking a stand to present to your child what you believe is right behavior and what you believe is wrong behavior and why. It means insisting that when it comes to sexual behavior or any kind of social behavior you expect you child to have self respect and respect for others and to not bully others out of their comfort zones or submit to such bullying or cajoling themselves.

Nevertheless, it's my understanding that vicious people can and will alter normal photos to make it appear the women and children they are targeting are engaged in pornographic acts and will share these photos on underground sites. I read about this happening to a woman whose coworker did such a thing with her ordinary digital work photo though she barely knew him and made her and her daughter the target of rape threats from strangers. So you can do everything upstanding and above reproach and still end up badly burned by life with modern tech and social media. We indeed need all the help from rules, regulations and laws that we can get.
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I did, and I also took the time to read other articles. She wants to hold snapchat accountable for content that they don't generate, which is idiotic. It's like blaming Youtube because someone posted a video that hurt your precious sensibilities instead of simply controlling the situation like people SEEMED to be able to do for thousands of years in the past.
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Maybe, maybe not. Doesn't matter. Too tired to do your job as a parent and therefore assume that everyone else has that same issue? Your excuse is the same as people whose kids run wild in stores and they complain about how they just can't handle it when other parents seem to be perfectly capable of maintaining control and rearing kids who aren't acting like animals. At the end of the day, the buck DOES stop with you. If that's too much to ask, don't have kids. They are YOUR responsibility, not society's, not mine, not your neighbor's, and neither you nor your little darlings are special snowflakes that have it harder than anyone else.
The kids are definitely a parent's responsibility but Snapchat may also have a legal responsibility to ensure that curated promotions delivered to users not eligible to be subscribed to certain content not violate its advisory that deems its service appropriate for minors as young as 13.
 
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Maybe, maybe not. Doesn't matter. Too tired to do your job as a parent and therefore assume that everyone else has that same issue? Your excuse is the same as people whose kids run wild in stores and they complain about how they just can't handle it when other parents seem to be perfectly capable of maintaining control and rearing kids who aren't acting like animals. At the end of the day, the buck DOES stop with you. If that's too much to ask, don't have kids. They are YOUR responsibility, not society's, not mine, not your neighbor's, and neither you nor your little darlings are special snowflakes that have it harder than anyone else.

That would be a no! :D

But in all seriousness....Kids will ALWAY outsmart the parents. We can't always blame the parents. For example, a friend of mines daughter is not allowed to ware anything considered too showy. So he makes sure they don't buy or let her ware anything like that. Well, turns out that her friend brings clothes to school for her to ware and she dresses how she wants (very inappropriately) during the day or when they go out with boys. The only way he found out was a picture she posted online...one slip up. They addressed the issue...but I bet you dollars to donuts she found another way/is still doing it. You can't control them every hour of every day. You can be the best, most caring, and most engaged parent on the face of the earth....but they WILL try to outsmart you and will most likely get away with it for a while. Its not as simple as having a conversation with them.
 
That would be a no! :D

But in all seriousness....Kids will ALWAY outsmart the parents. We can't always blame the parents. For example, a friend of mines daughter is not allowed to ware anything considered too showy. So he makes sure they don't buy or let her ware anything like that. Well, turns out that her friend brings clothes to school for her to ware and she dresses how she wants (very inappropriately) during the day or when they go out with boys. The only way he found out was a picture she posted online...one slip up. They addressed the issue...but I bet you dollars to donuts she found another way/is still doing it. You can't control them every hour of every day. You can be the best, most caring, and most engaged parent on the face of the earth....but they WILL try to outsmart you and will most likely get away with it for a while. Its not as simple as having a conversation with them.
Didn't the school administrators call her parents to complain about how she was dressing? The parents at my daughter's school get phone calls. I got pulled aside myself when my daughter tried to go to a sporting event in shorts that got a bit short and no longer met the dress code after her recent growth spurt. My daughter is in a private school but our local public schools are pretty strict like that, too. Plus other parents are really quick to complain about kids who dress or act inappropriately.
 
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Going back to even my grandmother's time, and she would be about 106 about now, guys have been trying to cajole girls into doing something of a sexual nature to "help them out". It's just that now these acts will be recorded and dispersed to the Internet for the poor girl's eternal humiliation, as opposed to a one time indiscretion she can move past. On the other hand, those one time indiscretions of my grandmother's era sometimes resulted in unwed motherhood which carried a lifelong stigma if not hidden.

And, this is why these kinds of issues are so dangerous and so confusing. I've worked with young girls in that exact situation, they sent what they thought was a private picture only to have it shared with the whole school and the fall out from that one poor choice can be life altering.

Our legal system is also struggling to figure out how laws apply to technology that those laws never previously considered. Is a nude media message from one teen to another child pornography or does it fall under the state's laws around age of consent and minors experimenting with minors? I agree with you about how "the more things change the more they stay the same" from a human nature perspective, but the internet and technology have added a whole new layer of complexity to these matters and there are unforeseen ramifications in various areas.

I think we should hold app developers and the companies behind these kinds of social media programs to the same standards that we hold cigarette, alcohol, or firearms companies to in regards to warnings, marketing, age restrictions, etc. I don't think we want to punish these kinds of companies nor do we want to stifle progress. But, we do need appropriate education around the ways these kinds of tools can be misused or irresponsibly handled. A good example might be the way laws are being written and education being done around the dangers of texting and driving.
 
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Its their app, let them do what they want. You don't like it then get off the app, its as simple as that pal.
Like I said, rationale seems to be lacking in all of that.
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I did, and I also took the time to read other articles. She wants to hold snapchat accountable for content that they don't generate, which is idiotic. It's like blaming Youtube because someone posted a video that hurt your precious sensibilities instead of simply controlling the situation like people SEEMED to be able to do for thousands of years in the past.
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Maybe, maybe not. Doesn't matter. Too tired to do your job as a parent and therefore assume that everyone else has that same issue? Your excuse is the same as people whose kids run wild in stores and they complain about how they just can't handle it when other parents seem to be perfectly capable of maintaining control and rearing kids who aren't acting like animals. At the end of the day, the buck DOES stop with you. If that's too much to ask, don't have kids. They are YOUR responsibility, not society's, not mine, not your neighbor's, and neither you nor your little darlings are special snowflakes that have it harder than anyone else.
And yet clearly in a section that they curate and clearly in relation to content that they have and do moderate. Seems like something other than the article was read.
 
And, this is why these kinds of issues are so dangerous and so confusing. I've worked with young girls in that exact situation, they sent what they thought was a private picture only to have it shared with the whole school and the fall out from that one poor choice can be life altering.

Our legal system is also struggling to figure out how laws apply to technology that those laws never previously considered. Is a nude media message from one teen to another child pornography or does it fall under the state's laws around age of consent and minors experimenting with minors? I agree with you about how "the more things change the more they stay the same" from a human nature perspective, but the internet and technology have added a whole new layer of complexity to these matters and there are unforeseen ramifications in various areas.
That's horrifying. I can only imagine what those poor girls go through. I think it really confuses young women that most of the popular actresses in film and television these days routinely do very graphic nude scenes with seemingly no consequence to their popularity or lives or relationships. So they are in for a rude awakening when the consequences for them outside of the Hollywood bubble are very harsh and humiliating.

I marvel at that myself--the stuff some of my favorite PG-13 actors and actresses have gotten up to on shows I never gave much thought to until I read about them or was told about them.

I think I last followed a tv program 12 years ago and it was a regular network show subject to the traditional regulations I grew up with. When I read about what Elvis Presley's granddaughter was depicted doing during scenes from her show I wondered how she could fail to be embarrassed or uncomfortable having such a graphic depiction of what should be private uh...hygiene moment be broadcast for entertainment to pretty much anyone and everyone. And she watched with her mom! I'm a cool mom but I'm not that cool. I would have some words of wisdom and caution about that sort of thing for a young girl...or boy for that matter.

It's not that I'm a judgemental prude. I'm just accustomed to certain body parts and certain acts of nature being private and lacking sufficient dignity to be made into public spectacle or entertainment.
 
Didn't the school administrators call her parents to complain about how she was dressing? The parents at my daughter's school get phone calls. I got pulled aside myself when my daughter tried to go to a sporting event in shorts that got a bit short and no longer met the dress code after her recent growth spurt. My daughter is in a private school but our local public schools are pretty strict like that, too. Plus other parents are really quick to complain about kids who dress or act inappropriately.
Nope. This particular school isn't really all that strict...there are rules...but I don't think they are that crazy. She probably wore most of the questionable items outside of school.
 
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