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Its too bad that SL is turning out to be the new Vista...

There's absolutely no evidence to support that.

Until there's mass public outcry, like with Vista, and/or a mass push to downgrade to an earlier version of the OS, that contention is nothing more than smoke and FUD that lives and dies in the Apple fansite bubble (perptuated mostly by Windows sufferers camping Apple fansites.)
 
But try it for yourself.

Install OS X 10.5.8 or run it off a test partition. Activate the Guest account there, make sure it works. Then run the SL upgrade. After the upgrade, log into the Guest account and use it. Log out and back into your main account, and you'll likely find all the data will still be there. Then try it via fast user switching. You can bet your data will still be there.

The bug exists, but whether it deletes your data on your main account or simply breaks your direct access to it is still unclear. Nor does the bug affect everyone who had a Guest account in 10.5. Most users will not be able to in any way, shape or form reproduce this bug.

But the moment someone even hints at a "bug" in an Apple OS, everyone is all over it, even if only a handful of users have reported it. When you make the best OS in the biz, any hiccups are magnified a hundredfold. With Windows, bugs and critical flaws are a given. With OS X, they're shocking because they're such a rarity. The exception proves the rule. Such is the OS game.
 
Not sure what just happened. There I was, sitting at my desk savoring life in 10.5.8 a happy MAC user. I decided to take the plunge and UPGRADE to 10.6 Snow Leopard. I inserted the upgrade disk into my Mac Mini drive. The install GUI came up. Yes, Yes, No, Remind me later, then I pushed ENTER... and THAT's when it happened. THE WHOLE FREAKING THING JUST DISAPPEARED! THE WHOLE THING! GONE! It was right there! Can I reinstall from Time Machine??!!

I think you have a bright future as a hand model.
 
Apple painted a big, red bullseye on itself....

But the moment someone even hints at a "bug" in an Apple OS, everyone is all over it, even if only a handful of users have reported it.

But those smug, arrogant, annoying PC vs. Mac commercials make it sound like Apple OS is perfect.

When it's not, it's news. When the bug deletes all of your files, it's big news, like Apple Slow To Promise Snow Leopard Fix.


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Ever since the iPhone appeared Mac got more or less shelved. Good thing it's October... :rolleyes:

I pretty much agree with you but will make a broader generalization: Ever since Apple went head first into the Entertainment and Consumer Electronics industry (iPod, iPhone, Apple TV, etc.) the Macs have stayed expensive and offered little power-for-your-money compared to the PC world as well as a lack of choices (1 desktop line, 2 laptop lines, 1 Workstation line). Sure, the Mac OS is pretty good compared to XP, but I'm talking about the lack of hardware options/choices such as during Applestore Checkout...or that I need a putty knife to open a Mini and iMac...or that the cheapest Mac with keyboard and mouse and monitor is $1200+...or that the cheapest barebones system without a monitor is a Mini for $800 (you need the kb and mouse so I included that in the price)...and other examples.

iPod saved Apple...To me, Macs in the past 5+ years haven't changed much in affordability for the masses (me) and choices....otherwise I, for example, would own more than a Mini. People on this board (and other boards) rarely separate an operating system from the hardware when defending Apple...which to me, is a very important distinction. And as Macs approach 10% worldwide marketshare, the operating system is likely to see more viruses, security headaches, and bug alerts. And I'm sure someone will reply to me stating the trillions of problems with PCs but not a single problem with Macs (and it's OS) in the past 25 years.

I am praying that Apple will release some new iMacs for under $900 AND are worth spending that much money for the lowest-end iMac.

-Eric
 
I pretty much agree with you but will make a broader generalization: Ever since Apple went head first into the Entertainment and Consumer Electronics industry (iPod, iPhone, Apple TV, etc.) the Macs have stayed expensive and offered little power-for-your-money compared to the PC world as well as a lack of choices (1 desktop line, 2 laptop lines, 1 Workstation line). Sure, the Mac OS is pretty good compared to XP, but I'm talking about the lack of hardware options/choices such as during Applestore Checkout...

This is the Steve Jobs mantra - "fewer choices, fewer choices, fewer choices," and the Jobs Doctrine: "Don't confuse the lowest common denominator of your customer base with too many choices."
 
Not impressive. It took MS 8 years to release a decent OS.

Actually, 12 years.


The relationship between public/closed betas and bugs (for either Apple or MS) is tenuous at best.

It would be very difficult to make the case that the perception of problems with Vista was due to actual bugs in Vista. It's been pretty solid from the original November 2006 release.
 
It would be very difficult to make the case that the perception of problems with Vista was due to actual bugs in Vista. It's been pretty solid from the original November 2006 release.

I disagree here. Vista's networking and file transfer applications were clearly broken on release. Sure, they were fixed but it took Microsoft rather a long time to do it.

Still, since April 2008 it's been an excellent OS.
 
I disagree here. Vista's networking and file transfer applications were clearly broken on release. Sure, they were fixed but it took Microsoft rather a long time to do it.

That's why I wasn't able to surf or mount file shares from November 2006 until May 2008.

</sarcasm>

Seriously, though, networking and file transfers worked fine for me - what in particular are you saying that they changed in May 2008?
 
That's why I wasn't able to surf or mount file shares from November 2006 until May 2008.

</sarcasm>

Seriously, though, networking and file transfers worked fine for me - what in particular are you saying that they changed in May 2008?

They worked fine for you. Many other people had a lot of issues with it. Vista has been fine since SP1 in terms of stability though.

It's still a pig of an OS. I'm running it on 3 systems at work due to software requirements, and it doesn't BSOD, crash, or do many of the other strange thing the Kool Aid drinkers seem to think it does, however it's also not the gleaming shining light for MS that some of the MS shills here think it is. As soon as Win7 is supported, Vista is gone.
 
That's why I wasn't able to surf or mount file shares from November 2006 until May 2008.

</sarcasm>

Seriously, though, networking and file transfers worked fine for me - what in particular are you saying that they changed in May 2008?


File transfer was broken in Vista pre SP1. The damn thing used to take so much ****ing time. It was seriously ridiculous. That was probably the only thing that truly bothered me about Vista. Then SP1 came and all was left for MS bashers was old problems that didn't happen anymore. Still Windows 7 is less resource heavy.

Until there's mass public outcry, like with Vista, and/or a mass push to downgrade to an earlier version of the OS, that contention is nothing more than smoke and FUD that lives and dies in the Apple fansite bubble (perptuated mostly by Windows sufferers camping Apple fansites.)

Hahaha, like if you couldn't see Applebots spewing their "hurr durr my computer is better than yours, I am better than you" attitude in EVERY single place. If you want to talk about "sufferer"' (butt-hurt) attitudes, macheads clearly win.
 
They worked fine for you. Many other people had a lot of issues with it. Vista has been fine since SP1 in terms of stability though.

I'm not claiming that Vista had none, but I don't see any particular date is spring 2008 as being a watershed mark.

For people running Windows Update, SP1 was only 20-30 MB of updates - most of the fixes had already been pushed out to users.

The only networking and file-sharing issues that I've seen were due to increase security under Vista (restricted admin shares and the like).
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But yes - a week from today Vista will be history ;)
 
And by that I guess you mean that Apple is making profits, which is true, but in my opinion they could make better computer products and still make money. I've been a long time Apple customer and I've never been as disappointed in their computer line as I am right now.

Apple having the highest consumer satisfaction rates in the industry for their computers would agree with your statement. Apple can't satisfy everybody especially users on Macrumors.
 
That's why I wasn't able to surf or mount file shares from November 2006 until May 2008.

</sarcasm>

Seriously, though, networking and file transfers worked fine for me - what in particular are you saying that they changed in May 2008?

So because it worked for you, it means everyone else who experienced problems is making it up eh? :rolleyes:
 
Introducing "iDelete"

Never worry about storage again! Click upgrade and Snow Leopard will take care of the rest. No user input necessary. Your HDD formatted like day one; It just works

Imagine That!
 
Most of my friends/guests generally don't need to save any stuff on my computer. Most of them just want to use the Internet, or if they do save an occasional file, they would want to save it off to a USB or email it to have at their own home later anyway. For the few that come over all the time and actually do work where they need to save files permanently on my computer, I do in fact set up real, non-guest, accounts for them.



First of all, who said that *all* my guests are friends? Sometimes I have people over whom I have met just recently and/or otherwise don't know.

Second, my friends wouldn't knowingly screw up my computer, but some of my friends (as with some friends of most people, including you, I expect) aren't the most computer literate and might innocently change some settings or download/install something seemingly minor into my root/admin account. Again, not a purposeful screw-up, but why take the chance? Especially when it's so easy to point them to the existing Guest account, which is exactly its purpose!

Third, you said it yourself: "Most of my friends that come over are true friends so they...". OK, so, what about the other friends? I suspect you meant the same thing I did--that they might accidentally screw something up or change settings which you may not want in your account.

Fourth, why are you getting personal about what kind of friends I have?



Immature? Again, why are you getting personal about it?

I'm not getting personal and of course you can have your own opinions I'm just being realist as should everyone.
 
That's why I wasn't able to surf or mount file shares from November 2006 until May 2008.

So was I. I was also able to make my dinner whilst waiting for it to finish.

Seriously, though, networking and file transfers worked fine for me - what in particular are you saying that they changed in May 2008?

More a culmination. We'd received most of the fixes pre SP1 but May 2008 marked the release of Vista with SP1 pre-added. That took a lot of the annoyance away for new customers.

I like Vista but it wasn't problem free.
 
I had been thinking so many times of putting that guest account to use as my sister comes over with her Mac all the time. Knowing what I know now, it will stay disabled.

With that said, just be sure to back up everything your heart desires or run the risk of losing it forever. Externals do have their place.
 
Which is why those "I'm a Pc. And I'm a Mac." ads are so incredibly laughable. :apple:

imagine if MS made a commercial about it

im a mac and im a pc
im a mac and i dont get viruses crash and i work with cameras
im a pc and i dont delete the users data

on a more serious note, its obvious microsoft hired a double agent, this guy must of made it up the ranks of apple to sabotage their new OS before the W7 release.
 
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