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Snow Leopard Build 10A421 Seeded to Developers

Quillz said:
Not everything in Mac OS X is actually written by Apple employees, either. (iCal at one point was developed by a third-party French corporation, and the bulk of Mac OS X was from NeXTstep, Steve Jobs's post-Apple OS from the early 90s.)
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Meh. iCal was not developed by a third-party. It was developed by a "secret" Apple development group lead by Jean-Marie Hullot in France. Jobs wanted Hullot to come back to Cupertino and develop both a calendar and sync application. However, Hullot wanted to remain in France. The "secret" group was their compromise.

Since Hullott left Apple in 2005, iCal and iSync have since been absorbed into Apple's normal product development in Cupertino.
 
Wayfarer said:
BEAUTIFUL! Is scrubbing through video with the trackpad smooth and elegant or choppy? How about while holding the controls down? Is it about the same as old Quicktime or new and improved?

Can someone please describe? :)
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Scrubbing through quicktime movies on the trackpad is already in Quicktime, that 6.5x thingy looks like a new Quicktime X feature.

I like the new UI very much though, much sharper.
 
Wayfarer said:
BEAUTIFUL! Is scrubbing through video with the trackpad smooth and elegant or choppy? How about while holding the controls down? Is it about the same as old Quicktime or new and improved?

Can someone please describe? :)
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I say it feels pretty smooth even at higher speeds such as 3x.

Holding the control key didn't do anything different.
 
When Snow Leopard finally does arrive, can developers just upgrade to the retail version straight from their beta installs?
 
Five or so pages back, somebody mentioned the iLife suite not benefitting if they made the transition to 64-bit, which I really don't know how you can say with all of the encoding in iMovie alone, not to mention the more intensive tasks in the other apps.
 
After installing, upon reboot, I wasn't able to rearrange icons in the dock. Fortunately a quick logout solved the problem (just in case anyone else experiences this).
 
wwwluckyro said:
Since you guys have been talking about 64bit apps, here's what I think:
- iTunes will go 64bit in September or so when new iPods will arrive. If 64bit makes database app load faster, that's perfect for iTunes!
- I'm expecting iLife and iWork suite to be 64bit when new versions will be released, probably in the first quarter of 2010.
- Interesting that the just released Final Cut Studio 3 is all 32bit and in Carbon. It'll be probably one to two years before they completely rewrite it in Cocoa and make it 64 bit. I'm sure they're already doing that in some secret underground lab.
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I agree. One of the biggest complaints that windows users have is the "bulkiness" of iTunes. I predict we will see iTunes 9 (or perhaps they will call it iTunes X) in the fall. It will use the new Quicktime. But also, Appleinsider reported last week that they had pulled WebObjects from Snow Leopard Server. And then there was that story last week about having coverflow and 3D type animation within the new webkit beta (which will be used in the new iTunes store). So, I predict that iTunes will be completely rewritten on the mac, in Cocoa. And the iTunes store portion will switch from using WebObjects to just webkit, and Safari 4 will be required on windows to use it. Safari 4 is super snappy on Windows, and I suspect that it will fly on both OSs.
 
MikhailT said:
Apple has been adding 64bit kernel support to more Mac models each successive seed since WWDC build even now late in the development stage.
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Um, no they haven't beyond new models.
They will continue to add more models even now. They are still working on recompiling the rest of the remaining extensions to 64bit. EFI can be updated if the processor is 64bit, that's all it need. EFI is not a concern. It's the extensions that's the concern, you need 100% of all extensions for the model to be running 64bit SL.
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EFI is part of it - just like the extensions. Both are important. I'm trying not to break my NDA - only telling you what you can figure out for yourself based on public knowledge.
Secondly, Apple has not released a date for SL yet, saying "due in Sept" is not a release date, it's a goal. They can delay it if it has not met all of their goals.
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And the goals are not for all 64-bit capable computers to run 64-bit kernel. Apple was very clear that a 64-bit processor is only one requirement for running 64-bit kernels.
 
imcquill said:
I agree. One of the biggest complaints that windows users have is the "bulkiness" of iTunes. I predict we will see iTunes 9 (or perhaps they will call it iTunes X) in the fall. It will use the new Quicktime. But also, Appleinsider reported last week that they had pulled WebObjects from Snow Leopard Server. And then there was that story last week about having coverflow and 3D type animation within the new webkit beta (which will be used in the new iTunes store). So, I predict that iTunes will be completely rewritten on the mac, in Cocoa. And the iTunes store portion will switch from using WebObjects to just webkit, and Safari 4 will be required on windows to use it. Safari 4 is super snappy on Windows, and I suspect that it will fly on both OSs.
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AppleInsider misunderstood for that. They pulled WebObjects from the general install to save drive space since few people wanted it, and made it available as a download on their site(or something along those lines). Plus, they said that it looks like Apple will be using WebObjects for their own purposes.

I do, however, agree that Apple will do a total rewrite of iTunes for the Mac(and for the PC too, while they're at it) using Cocoa in 64-bit. Like I posted earlier, I'm hoping Apple will use iTunes to play DVDs so that it's a complete media center(which is what its becoming). I see two benefits for Apple here: 1) They only have to rewrite one app 2) They could have the :apple:TV access your movies with a remote disk-ish thing. Moving more :apple:TVs can't hurt
And, maybe as a SL only feature, they'll throw in BD:rolleyes:

SG:apple:
 
akac said:
Um, no they haven't beyond new models.

EFI is part of it - just like the extensions. Both are important. I'm trying not to break my NDA - only telling you what you can figure out for yourself based on public knowledge.

And the goals are not for all 64-bit capable computers to run 64-bit kernel. Apple was very clear that a 64-bit processor is only one requirement for running 64-bit kernels.
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So on a Quad Core 2.8 Mac Pro will I automatically be running in 64 bit? or to I have to turn it on?
 
mbprouser said:
On the Quad Core, run:

ioreg -p IODeviceTree -w0 -l | grep firmware-abi

and see what it brings up. If it's 64-bit, you should be fine.
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even 32-bit efi can boot 64-bit kernel

Apple is silly to get such option to owners of old macs
 
imcquill said:
I agree. One of the biggest complaints that windows users have is the "bulkiness" of iTunes. I predict we will see iTunes 9 (or perhaps they will call it iTunes X) in the fall. It will use the new Quicktime. But also, Appleinsider reported last week that they had pulled WebObjects from Snow Leopard Server. And then there was that story last week about having coverflow and 3D type animation within the new webkit beta (which will be used in the new iTunes store). So, I predict that iTunes will be completely rewritten on the mac, in Cocoa. And the iTunes store portion will switch from using WebObjects to just webkit, and Safari 4 will be required on windows to use it. Safari 4 is super snappy on Windows, and I suspect that it will fly on both OSs.
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iTunes Store already has cover flow and gets the new QuickTime automatically afaik. iTunes will have to be rewritten in Cocoa in order to make a 64-bit version even possible. iTunes has gotten to be a real dog and has doubled in size since just 4.x even.
 
PurrBall said:
iTunes Store already has cover flow and gets the new QuickTime automatically afaik. iTunes will have to be rewritten in Cocoa in order to make a 64-bit version even possible. iTunes has gotten to be a real dog and has doubled in size since just 4.x even.
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It needs a re-write with some interface improvements as well. Since the iPod Event in likely in September, and the Snow Leopard Launch is in September, it would be a good time to debut iTunes X to coincide with Quicktime X.

Bringing the DVD Player app (and hopefully Blu-Ray, now that Apple added minor support to FCS) right into iTunes would be a great idea, especially if it can stream to the Apple TV.
 
slackpacker said:
So on a Quad Core 2.8 Mac Pro will I automatically be running in 64 bit? or to I have to turn it on?
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You'll have to turn it on. Only the XServes run 64-bit kernel by default. All other must enable it, if your computer is supported.
 
imcquill said:
And the iTunes store portion will switch from using WebObjects to just webkit, and Safari 4 will be required on windows to use it.
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I think you misunderstand what these components are. WebObjects is a Web Application Framework, like Struts or Catalyst or Ruby on Rails for their respective platforms. It has nothing to do with client side rendering. I don't even think there's a name for Apple's XML layout system for iTunes, but it's an in house thing for an in house purpose.
 
Lokheed said:
You know you can open the browser again, go to the History menu option and select "Reopen all windows from last session" to restore them. Gone are the days when a crash meant you lost all your internets, I mean tabs.
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Thank you. I do use this feature (and love it), but this morning I had opened a few dozen longer youtube videos and let them load while I was out so I could come back later and watch them all without a delay. But Safari crashed, and I lost all the loaded videos. Do you know if Safari caches the videos so I don't have to reload them all? I have a semi-slow internet connection.
 
i cant believe people are complaining about the $9.95 update price. Think about this, its $29 to update to SL for lepord users, and $50 to update to WIN7 for vista users. and im not even going to talk about the rest of the prices.
 
Could someone tell me how to make my mac boot as 64bit kernel? I've seen posts about editing com.apple.boot.plist but I need further information.
Could someone make a little guide?
 
AidenShaw said:
Oh really? How much faster?

(unless you have more than 4 GiB of RAM and 64-bit aware applications, it's unlikely that you'll see any difference...)
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You will see a difference when running x86-64 when compared to x86. In most situations you will get a boost in performance because under x86-64 twice as many named registers are available. Having more registers allows more data to sit closer to the compute units and compiler optimizers can take advantage of this to improve throughput. Additionally having more registers allows function calls under x86-64 to pass parameters in registers instead of the pure stack based method used for x86. These improvements usually more then offset the overhead of using 64b pointers. (I am fairly sure you know this...)

Also 64b processes have a better kernel boundary behavior that improves syscall, etc. performance/efficiency. Then mix in a 64b kernel and you get further performance improvements even if your application is still 32b (not clear yet if SL will or wont support a 64 kernel on the MacBook Air).

In other words you don't need a RAM heavy application (or a lot of physical RAM) to get a benefit. It should even improve performance/watt ratios.
 
There is an easier way of booting to the 64-bit kernel than editing the plist file. Just hold the "6" and the "4" keys together when booting after the chime sound. You can check your kernel in the Activity Monitor.
 
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