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Just tried today, and failed. Went to the Memorial City Apple store (in Houston) and they were rude and refused to fix the display. I didn't want a whole new computer or anything, just for the screen to be fixed. Man, do I hate those smart ass "geniuses".

The people I talked to on phone support line were equally rude. When I told him that it hurt my eyes to use the computer in a dark room the jerk told me that it was my fault and that I "shouldn't be trying to use a computer in a dark room". This is very frustrating. No one will even acknowledge the problem, much less fix the computer:mad:[/QUOTE

I find it very upsetting when I hear people are treated this way in an Apple Store by a Genius. If I decide to take mine in I will post my experience here
 
I just bought a 13" MacBook Pro yesterday. It has the 9CC2 display, and Snow Leopard (which I installed) did the exact same thing. The brightness doesn't dim much until it's down to one level, and even then it's close to what it would be at half of the brightness when I had Leopard 10.5.7 installed. In addition to that, the display now has a strong blue tint to everything. It looks awful.

I could go back to 10.5.7, but then I want to be able to run Snow Leopard. It's frustrating to think I'll have to revert back to Leopard and just wait until Apple releases some sort of fix for this. I've got an appointment at the Genius Bar tomorrow, though I'm not entirely sure what that will accomplish. If I were to exchange the computer, there's always a chance I'll get another one with a 9CC2 display.
 
Well I decided to try my luck again with Apple on the phone again and I managed to get them to send it in. So I mailed it in yesterday and supposedly the repairs were done today (although it doesn't say what they did online when I tracked it). I'll let you know if they actually did anything (not holding my breath).
 
This may not apply but I noticed this issue on my 24" iMac. Since SL installed the brightness was way high. I finally found a program called shades that allows me to reduce the brightness to tolerable levels. In the Displays pref pane, I could hardly reduce the brightness at all, Shades allows me to go all the way down to "off". Google shades and you should find it.

Hope that helps even if it's a kludge work around.
 
OK. I'm back from the Apple Store. I explained what was happening with the MacBook Pro and the 9cc2 screen. He was polite but very skeptical. I asked him to compare it to his he was using at the genius bar and believe it or not they were identical. I told him that his must be a 9cc2 screen as well. Again he was very skeptical. So, I asked him to take mine onto the floor and compare it and sure enough the others on the floor worked appropriately. He was amazed. So, I asked him what they could do and he said he wanted to research it a bit. He came back and said he couldn't find anything on it but he would check the upcoming 10.6.2 update and see if it might be addressed there. Now how he would do that I have no idea but again he came back and said it wasn't addressed. So, I asked for a replacement and he said he didn't think they could do that. I asked why and he said they could order a replacement screen but it could end up being a 9cc2. So I said how is this my fault. So then after discussing it with a manager they decided to exchange out the whole machine. I said fine but what if the new one is a 9cc2 screen. They all got quiet. So, I decided to ask them if I could exchange it for a new 15" and pay the difference and they said yes. It was the only way I could think of to avoid the 9cc2 screen and possible repeated trips to the store. Now it gets better. I said I have an upgraded hard drive and additional memory in my machine. So, he handed me a screw driver and said I had to change it out myself sitting at the Genius Bar. Luckily I brought the original drive, memory, and box with me. So there I sat with a million people around me and changed it all out. They gave me a new 15" and I paid the difference and left. Was a radical decision on my part but I didn't want a machine with another 9cc2 screen or a replacement screen that was a 9cc2 so I made the move. It's over and hour drive and I didn't want to be going back and forth. Quite a day for me. They were friendly and helpful but strange I had to switch out the drives and memory.:)
 
Got mine back today. Same problem with the screen. While I do have to applaud their ridiculously fast turn around, I wish they had kept the computer a little longer and just fixed the problem. I sent it out 6PM Tuesday and received it back 8AM Thursday. All they did was replace the logic board which did nothing (and the trackpad on a separate issue). I'm really thinking of downgrading to Leopard or possibly (this is going to be sad) resorting to using Windows XP when I need to use the computer in a dark setting.

This was my first mac, and I gotta say I don't think I would ever buy another. Although they try to have good service, there are just too many fanboys working for apple. They break your computer with software updates that they don't test properly and then won't acknowledge or fix the problem. To boot, they are rude to you like you have some sort of imaginary problem just because it doesn't show up in their database. I've had it. I really wish I could return this thing. I could have gotten a cheaper PC with HDMI and it wouldn't have these retarded software issues. Still frustrated:mad:
 
Oh my!!! My new 15" is dead. All it does is beep. Apple tech says I need to return it to the store. Another 2 hour trip down and back. Getting use to this with Apple these days
 
Well that blows man. I decided I'm going back to leopard. What's the best way to do that? Do I have to do a clean install (by erasing and installing) or is it possible to downgrade?
 
As a follow-up to my Oct. 3 post above, the tech at the Genius Bar opted to switch out my MBP (with the 9CC2 screen) for another one. I asked, "what if the new one has a 9CC2 screen?" He said, "we'll exchange it again." He checked Apple's internal bulletin board for any notices about this problem, but he couldn't find anything (probably because the problem is too new).

So I took my new MBP home. I couldn't set it up until today because I've been swamped with work all week. Guess what? It too has a 9CC2 screen. This MBP has Snow Leopard pre-installed, and, yep, it has the same brightness issue (along with the blue tint I noticed on the previous MBP I had).

I'm disappointed. I know things can go wrong, but this is an issue that could easily repeat itself, as it just did with me. If I swap it out again, I could face the same issue. I'm giving some thought to doing what teerexx52 did -- exchanging this for a 15" model -- but I initially bought the 13" because of the size and the somewhat lower cost.

Guess I'll be headed to the Genius Bar again this weekend.
 
As a follow-up to my Oct. 3 post above, the tech at the Genius Bar opted to switch out my MBP (with the 9CC2 screen) for another one. I asked, "what if the new one has a 9CC2 screen?" He said, "we'll exchange it again." He checked Apple's internal bulletin board for any notices about this problem, but he couldn't find anything (probably because the problem is too new).

So I took my new MBP home. I couldn't set it up until today because I've been swamped with work all week. Guess what? It too has a 9CC2 screen. This MBP has Snow Leopard pre-installed, and, yep, it has the same brightness issue (along with the blue tint I noticed on the previous MBP I had).

I'm disappointed. I know things can go wrong, but this is an issue that could easily repeat itself, as it just did with me. If I swap it out again, I could face the same issue. I'm giving some thought to doing what teerexx52 did -- exchanging this for a 15" model -- but I initially bought the 13" because of the size and the somewhat lower cost.

Guess I'll be headed to the Genius Bar again this weekend.

What happened to you was what I was afraid would happen to me. I didn't want to risk getting another 9cc2 screen so I went for the 15 incher. I could just see myself going back and forth to the Apple Store and sitting around while they changed screens again:( It is amazing?? What are the odds you'd get that screen a second time? I am happy with the 15" so I don't feel badly about it although it certainly cost me more money.

Good luck this weekend and keep posting how it goes.
 
Thanks, teerexx52. I'll definitely report back what happens at the Genius Bar this weekend. I did appreciate that the first tech was so willing to make an exchange, but I was let down by seeing the same issue again. Hopefully I'll find a solution so that I'll still have a MBP of some kind without this problem.
 
So does apple even acknowledge this issue or what? I'm getting tired of SL, my battery life has gone to crap because of this and I'm really about ready to downgrade back to Leopard. Its not like I notice any benefits whatsoever by using SL at the moment.
 
Well, I went to the Apple Store (Costa Mesa), and unfortunately things didn't go well. I'm deeply frustrated and disappointed. Here's a run down of what happened:

My statements/questions during the course of the conversation:
-- The new MBP (the one I received in last week's exchange) also has a 9CC2 panel and the same problem with brightness/backlighting and the blue tint.
-- I spent some time comparing the floor models, and they all had Snow Leopard but their brightness levels were okay.
-- I explained, clearly, once again that the problem doesn't exist in 10.5 but does exist in 10.6.
-- In addition to the brightness issues, it looks as if the "Color LCD" profile in Display Preferences is missing.
-- I explained that my own comparisons with other MBPs and comparisons by people on these forums and on Apple's site corroborate that the issue exists.
-- I stated (when asked what I wanted to do) that I've considered returning it for a refund, exchanging it for another 13" MBP -- and risking getting 9CC2 again -- or exchanging it for a 15" model.
-- I even asked if there's anyway they could know ahead of time if any new MBPs had just Leopard on them, as I was willing to go back to 10.5.7 for the time being.

The technician's statements during the conversation:
-- In a complete turnaround from last week, he stated there is no issue/problem.
-- In a complete turnaround, he stated that he couldn't accept an exchange for another 13" MBP (despite the fact that, last week, when I asked what would happen if I got the 9CC2 panel again, he said "we'll swap it out").
-- Stated that no one else has reported a problem like this (as a way to imply there's no issue -- I said in response, "just because you haven't heard of other reports of this issue, doesn't mean there isn't an issue")
-- Refused to inspect the MBP and compare it with other ones, saying he didn't need to do this (he never even turned it on).
-- Said that because Apple has not notified the techs about this problem, that it's within spec and is therefore not a problem.
-- In response to the "Color LCD" profile missing, stated that Apple changed all sorts of things with Snow Leopard, including the fact that there's no "clean install" option when upgrading (as if that has *anything* to do with a missing display profile).

After going around in circles, the manager got into the discussion. Here are her statements:
-- There is no issue with the display. I just need to calibrate it.
-- Did not turn on the computer, did not look at it, refused to compare it with the floor models, and so on.
-- Said that, if I exchanged it for another 13" MBP, I would have the same problem because all the displays are the same (of course, that isn't true at all).
-- Said that Apple is aware of every single problem that's reported on the internet. Because Apple has said nothing about this, it's not a problem (once again, even though she didn't even look at the computer and was hearing about this for the very first time).
-- Said she might authorize and exchange one more time, but if I still have the same "issue", there's nothing Apple will do anymore for me.

After all that, I was so frustrated that I just returned the MBP for a refund, insisting that they not charge me a restocking fee (they didn't).

I'm extremely frustrated that both the technician and the manager refused to be open even to the possibility that there's an issue with the display/Snow Leopard. They not only denied there's a problem, they refused to investigate the issue by looking at the computer.

I'm going to contact customer relations. Can someone please tell me the easiest way to do this, and how I might receive a prompt, helpful reply?
 
xbench anyone?

Could I get a few people to run xbench on their 13" MBP's and report back the stats and which screen they have. I have the 9cc2 screen with the dimming problem and I just noticed in xbench that I have a terrible graphics interface score. It's like 13 when my old MBP was above 200. I am wondering if there is problem related to the graphics card and if the screen has anything to do with this. Thanks!
 
Well, I went to the Apple Store (Costa Mesa), and unfortunately things didn't go well. I'm deeply frustrated and disappointed. Here's a run down of what happened:

My statements/questions during the course of the conversation:
-- The new MBP (the one I received in last week's exchange) also has a 9CC2 panel and the same problem with brightness/backlighting and the blue tint.
-- I spent some time comparing the floor models, and they all had Snow Leopard but their brightness levels were okay.
-- I explained, clearly, once again that the problem doesn't exist in 10.5 but does exist in 10.6.
-- In addition to the brightness issues, it looks as if the "Color LCD" profile in Display Preferences is missing.
-- I explained that my own comparisons with other MBPs and comparisons by people on these forums and on Apple's site corroborate that the issue exists.
-- I stated (when asked what I wanted to do) that I've considered returning it for a refund, exchanging it for another 13" MBP -- and risking getting 9CC2 again -- or exchanging it for a 15" model.
-- I even asked if there's anyway they could know ahead of time if any new MBPs had just Leopard on them, as I was willing to go back to 10.5.7 for the time being.

The technician's statements during the conversation:
-- In a complete turnaround from last week, he stated there is no issue/problem.
-- In a complete turnaround, he stated that he couldn't accept an exchange for another 13" MBP (despite the fact that, last week, when I asked what would happen if I got the 9CC2 panel again, he said "we'll swap it out").
-- Stated that no one else has reported a problem like this (as a way to imply there's no issue -- I said in response, "just because you haven't heard of other reports of this issue, doesn't mean there isn't an issue")
-- Refused to inspect the MBP and compare it with other ones, saying he didn't need to do this (he never even turned it on).
-- Said that because Apple has not notified the techs about this problem, that it's within spec and is therefore not a problem.
-- In response to the "Color LCD" profile missing, stated that Apple changed all sorts of things with Snow Leopard, including the fact that there's no "clean install" option when upgrading (as if that has *anything* to do with a missing display profile).

After going around in circles, the manager got into the discussion. Here are her statements:
-- There is no issue with the display. I just need to calibrate it.
-- Did not turn on the computer, did not look at it, refused to compare it with the floor models, and so on.
-- Said that, if I exchanged it for another 13" MBP, I would have the same problem because all the displays are the same (of course, that isn't true at all).
-- Said that Apple is aware of every single problem that's reported on the internet. Because Apple has said nothing about this, it's not a problem (once again, even though she didn't even look at the computer and was hearing about this for the very first time).
-- Said she might authorize and exchange one more time, but if I still have the same "issue", there's nothing Apple will do anymore for me.

After all that, I was so frustrated that I just returned the MBP for a refund, insisting that they not charge me a restocking fee (they didn't).

I'm extremely frustrated that both the technician and the manager refused to be open even to the possibility that there's an issue with the display/Snow Leopard. They not only denied there's a problem, they refused to investigate the issue by looking at the computer.

I'm going to contact customer relations. Can someone please tell me the easiest way to do this, and how I might receive a prompt, helpful reply?

It is extremely upsetting to me that you were treated that way in the Apple Store. The Macbook Pros are not inexpensive computers and they should work well out of the box or be fixed or exchanged appropriately. There is no doubt this is an issue as it has been posted here and on the Apple Discussion boards as well.

I think one of the issues is that some people who have this 9cc2 screen don't see the problem as a problem. The screen being too bright and the loss of battery life may not be an issue to them so it is not reported. However, it still seems to me that enough people have emailed, called and been to the Genius Bar that something would be on record. On the Apple discussion Boards a person posted that tech has told him this is being addressed in the Snow Leopard update coming 10.6.2. If that were the case then it would seem that this issue has been reported enough to be part of a software update and should be on record some where.

When I was offered the opportunity to exchange my 13" 9cc2 screen last week for another 9cc2 screen I asked to update to a 15" and pay the difference for the exact reason that I was afraid that what happened to you would happen to me. I'm glad I did while I had the opportunity. I was never offered a refund though. On a side note I now have two 15" unibody computers instead of a 13 and a 15 so now I will end of selling one and going back to just the one 15. How could I even expect that this would happen when I bought the 13" in July??? Good luck and I'm pleased that you at least got your money back.
 
Thanks for your thoughts, teerexx52. I was very bothered by the fact that the staff at the Apple store wouldn't accept the possibility that a problem existed and that they seemed most intent on simply trying to deny multiple exchanges, which I told them I didn't want to keep doing anyway. I hate to say this, but the experience at that store really soured me on Apple, even though I know that these are just two employees and that Apple as a whole is much better. I'm currently trying to figure out ways to report both the issue with the screen and also to file a complaint about the way things were handled. I just don't know enough about how customer service escalation works at Apple.

I got the refund in part because I absolutely insisted that I wouldn't accept anything else, and to their credit, both the technician and the manager, while denying a problem existed, sensed my dissatisfaction and likely figured a refund would help alleviate some of it (more or less the only upside to the entire conversation).

During that conversation, I made a similar point to the technician -- that there are consumers buying 13" MBPs with the 9CC2 panel who don't even know there's an issue because they likely don't have a reference point for how these screens work or don't read forums like this one. To their eyes, the backlighting would be working as it "should." But, as I told the technician, the lack of widespread awareness doesn't negate the fact that this is an issue, whereas it definitely wasn't with Leopard. So, yeah, I totally agree with you about the lack of awareness being part of the issue.

I'm glad to hear that Apple actually might address this in 10.6.2. If I decide that I'd still prefer the 13" model, I might wait until 10.6.2 is out and see what others say about it correcting this problem. That might give me the confidence I need to buy the laptop again. I'd consider the 15", as you did, but I'd prefer the smaller machine, and, besides, I'm still steaming from Sunday's confrontation, and so I need a little time to cool off before thinking about buying an Apple computer again. :)
 
I just stumbled across this thread today, and was thinking of buying a 13" MBP tomorrow but now you've all scared me in to not taking the plunge!!

A 15" isn't an option simply because I can't afford (poor university student) so put simply, do I dare buy one with the issue and pray it's fixed with 10.6.2? Or hold on for official confirmation from Apple that it will be fixed?
 
It's difficult to say. There's always that chance that you'll get a display that's unaffected, but, then, you might find yourself in my shoes with a 9CC2 panel, and then another one. I personally tend to play it safe, and I might wait and see if I were thinking about a 13" MBP -- and, not to scare you away from Apple or anything, but as of yet there's no confirmation that 10.6.2 will indeed fix this (there's a quote from a consumer who was talking to a level 2 tech, but I personally don't know if what the tech is saying will indeed actually happen ... the only way to know is to see what actually occurs when 10.6.2 is released).

My reply might have just complicated matters for you, but I am gun shy after my experience with Apple. I spoke with a customer relations rep about both the display problem and the awful Genius Bar experience, but I've yet to hear anything back from Apple.
 
same issue

I am brand new to Mac, I bought my 13" MBP on Oct. 2nd from Best Buy (I know, I know), the closest Apple store being over an hour away. I just upgraded to SL on Monday from 10.5.8, no clean install or backups, just put the disk in and went for it since I have had the computer such a short time. I wanted to test out if Mac is really as easy as the commercials say. Well after 6 hours with the SL install disk in, the screen was frozen on a picture of a forest, with the little "time circle" thingy spinning around. The computer refused to respond to anything, so I said screw it and did a hard power down. Reboot, black screen, computer on but unable to see anything. I googled black screen on my dell and found a forum with a discussion on the same issue, and broke out the flashlight like they suggested and was able to finish the install. This was after hard powering down the MBP several times, and becoming more and more alarmed at the prospect of having to deal with Best Buy's Moron Squad, with whom I was sure I would end up in a fistfight. So last night while using my MBP in my dark living room I noticed that the screen was REALLY bright. This was strange because I usually found myself turning the brightness UP before I installed SL, because the auto-adjuster would make the screen too dark for my preference. I proceeded to touch the down-brightness button, and was shocked to see that the screen was already on its lowest setting before going completely black. I jumped on google again and this was one of the first threads I found. I am really bummed, I had been loving my new MBP up to this point, and now I feel like I'm uncovering dirty secrets that the hip Mac commercial guy wouldn't want me to know about. I am now running 10.6.1, and the issue is still present. I have noticed a definite hit in battery life, last night I used the MBP about 3 hrs (surfing the net mainly, no DVDs or video editing) and was down under 30% when I plugged it back in. This all being said, I feel that SL is significantly faster than old Leopard, it seems to take about half the time to load apps, and I reclaimed about 10 GB on my HD after doing the leap of faith upgrade that I did. I don't think this is a dealbreaker for me (the screen brightness issue that is) but it is definitely annoying, and something that would have possibly made me think twice about buying a 13" instead of a 15" MBP. I'm enjoying Mac so far, and look forward to buying a 27" iMac when my 4 yr. old Sony Vaio breathes its last breath. Anyone know of any issues with iMacs that I should be aware of before buying? I'm definitely going to do more research before purchasing, but I feel that I would never have found the screen brightness issue unless it happened to me , which it did unfortunately. Sorry about the length of this post, I just needed to get this all off my chest.
13" MBP, 2.53, 4 GB RAM, 250 GB HD
 
How do you find out which display you have?

I am having this problem with my MBP 13 after upgrading to Snow Leopard. I don't care that much about the brightness, but my battery life has gone downhill. That's really unfortunate, battery life is one of the best things about my new MBP.
 
How do you find out which display you have?

I am having this problem with my MBP 13 after upgrading to Snow Leopard. I don't care that much about the brightness, but my battery life has gone downhill. That's really unfortunate, battery life is one of the best things about my new MBP.

Well, if you're having this problem, then you know you have a 9CC2 display.

A little bit of good news guys. Someone at the genius bar said that the Apple engineering team is aware of this problem. Didn't say whether or not it will be in the 10.6.2 update, but did say it as being something Apple's engineering team is aware of.

I hope that there's a fix in the new update, otherwise I will really be considering going back to Leopard. Man, and I was really hoping that SL would be giving MORE battery life, not significantly less.
 
Thanks for the info, then I guess I have a 9CC2 screen. I was also hoping for better battery life, some beta testers were reporting it. At the very least, not worse!

Oh well, its good they're aware of the problem and will hopefully fix it soon.

Well, if you're having this problem, then you know you have a 9CC2 display.

A little bit of good news guys. Someone at the genius bar said that the Apple engineering team is aware of this problem. Didn't say whether or not it will be in the 10.6.2 update, but did say it as being something Apple's engineering team is aware of.

I hope that there's a fix in the new update, otherwise I will really be considering going back to Leopard. Man, and I was really hoping that SL would be giving MORE battery life, not significantly less.
 
I wanted to check back in on this thread and see what sort of battery life people are getting pre-snow leopard and post snow leopard w/ the 9cc2 brightness issue.

As I reported earlier in the thread, my screen brightness definitely changed when I upgraded, but it doesn't bother me too much. However, my battery indicator use to show around 7:00 of power when I unplugged and had the screen at half brightness and just doing some light internet browsing.

Now after snow leopard, I turn my monitor one click from totally off and it is showing around 5 hrs.

Is this what everyone else is experiencing? Worse? Better?
 
I wanted to check back in on this thread and see what sort of battery life people are getting pre-snow leopard and post snow leopard w/ the 9cc2 brightness issue.

As I reported earlier in the thread, my screen brightness definitely changed when I upgraded, but it doesn't bother me too much. However, my battery indicator use to show around 7:00 of power when I unplugged and had the screen at half brightness and just doing some light internet browsing.

Now after snow leopard, I turn my monitor one click from totally off and it is showing around 5 hrs.

Is this what everyone else is experiencing? Worse? Better?
Yes, that was mine exactly before I got rid of it
 
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