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Snow Leopard Security Update Kills PowerPC Apps Using Rosetta
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Don't forget Safari. For Mac Rumors. Oh, and Stickies. I love those.
Those businesses are already on Windows or operating systems that have nothing to do with Apple, and have been for years.
"Just like users were told that Lion would break Rosetta."
Um..... they're WEREN'T ...
.... until they installed it and found out that Rosetta was broken (in many cases, that is, not speaking for myself).
I don't recall any warning in the Lion installer alerting the user to the fact that - once upgraded to Lion - older apps that relied on Rosetta would no longer run.
Um..... they're WEREN'T ...
.... until they installed it and found out that Rosetta was broken (in many cases, that is, not speaking for myself).
I don't recall any warning in the Lion installer alerting the user to the fact that - once upgraded to Lion - older apps that relied on Rosetta would no longer run.
Spot on. Nowhere does Lion installer states, in a prominent position, that Rosetta is no longer supported.
This is the main reason Mac never really took off in the enterprise. Businesses want custom software that will run as long as it serves their purposes. That's a big reason why Microsoft emphasizes backward compatibility. Breaking 16-bit compatibility was a big deal for them, which is why it took until the release of Window 7 for the 64-bit version to outsell the 32-bit version (and why XP 64-bit never sold well). As it stands, the Professional, Enterprise, and Ultimate versions of Windows 7 include XP Mode for that very purpose.
Apple since the return of Steve Jobs became a consumer oriented company, as he saw that as the future (and was right). I don't see the focus changing much under the current leadership team, with the big exception of the iPad and iPhone. Note that even here, there are some limits. The US Government is going with a customized version of Android to provide smartphones to the military and those requiring access to classified information, partly because Apple won't allow them to customize iOS. Most companies, however, are comfortable using MobileIron, Good, or similar services available for iOS, or even Apple's built-in support for Exchange. I expect that the iPad will be a focus for enterprises, partly because it is convenient for road warriors, sales and logistics staff, and others who may be using custom handheld devices right now.
Which is way way below the cost of some enterprise software and process flows.
But even really tiny businesses can spend multiples of $10k on business specific software and training. If it works well, and your business is smoothly running and profitable, what businessperson wants to risk breaking all that just to get a shiny newer Mac?
You know that else is wrong with this security update?
The security!
Fixes for the third party components such as PHP and libpng were actually available several months ago.
Not not only did Apple take way to long to release the patches, but the versions of PHP and libpng that they did include in 2012-001 are already known to have remote exploits which have been patched!
2012-001 has PHP 5.3.8, but that version has a 'network exploitable' bug that was patched on Jan 10, 2012 (of course that version introduced a new exploit which has also been patched.)
2012-001 also has libpng 1.5.5, but it has a recently patched exploit also!
Apple just take too long to roll out fixes.
The security!
Fixes for the third party components such as PHP and libpng were actually available several months ago.
Not not only did Apple take way to long to release the patches, but the versions of PHP and libpng that they did include in 2012-001 are already known to have remote exploits which have been patched!
2012-001 has PHP 5.3.8, but that version has a 'network exploitable' bug that was patched on Jan 10, 2012 (of course that version introduced a new exploit which has also been patched.)
2012-001 also has libpng 1.5.5, but it has a recently patched exploit also!
Apple just take too long to roll out fixes.
If you actually use that software and allow remote access through it, it's smart to update it yourself. If you don't use it and have your firewall on, it can't be exploited because it's not even running.
I hope that Apple will recognize the needs of business owners more.
After all, Mac computers are entering the business world in increasing numbers.
What Apple needs to understand the business owner better - including those in the photography/video/graphics business who have always been a backbone of their core clientele.
A business owner doesn't upgrade for the heck of it or to have the newest gadget to play with. He wants either new and needed functionality or taking advantage of new technology (e.g. editing software that takes advantage of multi-core computers and 64-bit processing).
In this sense, dropping support quickly is not a problem as video editors and photographers have to update quite regularly to make up for growing file sizes which means speed increase.
The problem is with software that has very low demands on the processor like word processing (Word, Final Draft) or many file management systems. If you don't offer backwards compatibility for those guys.
Buying and learning new software that does exactly the same as the old is a waste of time and money.
Rosetta should have been incorporated in Lion. It wasn't. Which is why I don't upgrade on this computer.
You are right about Snow Leopard being intro'd in August 2009, I always forget that because I bought a Mini a few weeks earlier than that and it shipped with Leopard.
Any Mac with a logic board with an origin date of 2009 can boot into Leopard, even those Macs that shipped with Snow Leopard discs in late 2009 and early 2010.
But all 2010 Macs were Snow Leopard. That's why my SL date was off.
These are the dates that I originally posted on, they are not correct for the release dates.
What business owner doesn't upgrade their Word copy to a current version?
If you have a lot of your data tied to abandoned software with a company that refuse to update and maintain it. That's too bad but I don't see how that is Apples responsibility, you should direct that to the software vendor who refuses to support their own product, it's just not professional.
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It is very common that they do not update due to cost. They offer times go every other versions.
Under that logic, Apple shouldn't have even provided the updates in the first place...
What are you referring to, software vendors or business? Some large enterprise software is, very, pricy MS Word isn't one of them. The problem really is software like Quicken and so on, although they are now porting their mac version to intel, available this spring.
True, true, quote for truth. It's funny how some (the home enthusiasts) are so dismissive of still supporting Snow Leopard. But get off the computer and venture out in the real world, and it's a different story. Every business I work around that uses Macs ALL are still using Snow Leopard, and frankly the employees (designers, developers, etc) are ones who tend to be on the bleeding edge of software and technology. Now I would expect them to upgrade eventually, but point being, outside of the nerds, people - AND ESPECIALLY BUSINESSES - just don't upgrade all their stuff on the drop of a dime. They don't need to.
Because frankly, Snow Leopard is not that old at all and still supported, hardly legacy. I compliment Apple on knowing when to cut the strings on things, and not choosing to support much older things like Leopard 10.5 and below, PPC, sure - makes sense. But in situations such as Snow Leopard, or even software that only supports 10.7, it doesn't: too soon.
They're third party packages, so they probably shouldn't in all honesty. People who use their computers as servers should be tech savvy enough to upgrade their own packages anyway.
Please, in 2005 Steve Jobs walked up on stage at WWDC and revealed the move to intel, and the roadmap ahead with rosetta as a transitional solution. It's 7 years, hardly the drop of a dime.
Business. I worked for a 2 billion a year company that in 2009 it still had not updated to office 2007. It still was on 2003. I also know that bp had not made the jump to office 07.
Those are 2 examples and I know of plenty more.
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Problem is Apple failed to provide any warning on how long it would provide Rosetta. Apple should of also stated end of support for it that was a minimum 5 years out and an exact date for it to be phased out. Go look at how Microsoft does its support. The OS and software provide very clear dates at when support will be phased out and then completely dropped. Those dates can and have been modified to be delayed to farther out but they never are moved back sooner. Apple should of provided something like that.
Besides business companies, none of the hospitals I've worked at had updated computers or software. XP was the norm and I also saw Word 2003.
And those are all Mac clients?
I don't agree, there is one aspect of this that relates to the business that use the software, but mostly it relates to vendors who refuses to update their product to intel. The pressure should be put on the few of them that has not yet transitioned, or you need to plan to move elsewhere IMO. Also, a lot of business software is moving to web apps, even IBM started to offer Lotus like this just a few days ago.
So in other words it's completely unrelated to Apple abandoning rosetta in Lion.
What pressure. Apple said you should do it but that is it. With out a clear date on when support would be dropped it was never that big. The date should be at min 5 years out from when they announce it.
Also as a general rule if you have something working well in software you do not mess with it as it risk indroducing a much larger set of bugs.
Take for example Office 2008. You can not install that on Lion because the installer requires Rosetta. Office 08 doesn't but the installer for it does.
Customer software it is even more so. With out a clear date on when the transition must be finished they can not make plans for it.
This Rosetta mess is just yet another example of many of why Apple is not and never will be a player in the enterprise market.
It's 7 years now. What pressure? If you are running software that is critical to your business and the vendor has not updated it in 7 years, you need to start demanding that they make a port to intel for the day you do need to upgrade.
We are talking about MS Office here, not some complex custom built software.
but due to the fact Apple never provided a date it means nothing. It is 5 years out from the day you announce EOL. Apple never announced EOL.
It is also pretty clear you have a very bad understanding of how enterprise and bussiness software works. Big time if it is third party.
Say you bought a 50k piece of PPC software from me. I will not upgrade it to intel unless you pay me a pretty penny for both my time and effort as it is not just a matter of recompiling the software. It is a fair amount of work to do that and my time is not free. Since the business do not want to pay for it then it is not going to happen.
First, I work with software development for enterprise customers. Secondly, go back and look at the announcement from WWDC.
Of course.
That might be ONE opinion .... but ....
I'm also a long-time Mac user and I would hardly claim it's the "beginning of the end", just yet. I'm not saying you COULD have a point, but I just recall how many times people proclaimed the end was near for Apple, and how utterly wrong they were proved each and every time. It's simply not a good company to bet against.
You act like only "sheeple" bought the iPhone 4s and it was such a poor product -- yet it's every bit as sensible an upgrade as the iPhone 3gs was to the 3g. It follows the pattern perfectly of a major new iPhone release every other year, and a less major one in between each.
It's not exactly unheard of in the smartphone world anyway. Look at the HTC Evo 4G -- a *massive* release for the Android phone community when it came out, but the follow-up? Pretty much the same phone except with 3D video capabilities and a processor speed boost (probably necessary to do the 3D properly in the first place).
And Lion? No, not a failure at all. I'm running it on my Mac as I type this reply, in fact, and it's also installed on my Macbook Pro notebook. What so many Mac users seem to ignore or downplay is that Lion really improved the security of the OS under the hood compared to Snow Leopard and earlier OS X releases. For only $30, it was a smart move to upgrade to it for that alone.... FileVault can encrypt entire volumes (even the boot drive), making it way more useful than before, and improvements were made to prevent malicious attempts to corrupt the code stack.
I'm also a long-time Mac user and I would hardly claim it's the "beginning of the end", just yet. I'm not saying you COULD have a point, but I just recall how many times people proclaimed the end was near for Apple, and how utterly wrong they were proved each and every time. It's simply not a good company to bet against.
You act like only "sheeple" bought the iPhone 4s and it was such a poor product -- yet it's every bit as sensible an upgrade as the iPhone 3gs was to the 3g. It follows the pattern perfectly of a major new iPhone release every other year, and a less major one in between each.
It's not exactly unheard of in the smartphone world anyway. Look at the HTC Evo 4G -- a *massive* release for the Android phone community when it came out, but the follow-up? Pretty much the same phone except with 3D video capabilities and a processor speed boost (probably necessary to do the 3D properly in the first place).
And Lion? No, not a failure at all. I'm running it on my Mac as I type this reply, in fact, and it's also installed on my Macbook Pro notebook. What so many Mac users seem to ignore or downplay is that Lion really improved the security of the OS under the hood compared to Snow Leopard and earlier OS X releases. For only $30, it was a smart move to upgrade to it for that alone.... FileVault can encrypt entire volumes (even the boot drive), making it way more useful than before, and improvements were made to prevent malicious attempts to corrupt the code stack.